Guardians of the Free Republics

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    Guardians of the Free Republics

    The right continues its slow march right off the deep end:

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hKXtwirU7eHhjk011iMFo7BXjBYQD9EQUG780
     
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    it's time to reload
     
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    Yeah....just like rock and roll caused some teens to commit suicide....ridiculous.
     
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    If you (not you hawkeye, a generic "you") keep repeating over and over that Obama is a "tyrant" and that "it's time to water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants" to heavily armed, angry people... well, you do the math. The rhetoric has gotten divorced from reality and it is charging up a lot of unstable people IMO.
     
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    If you (not you hawkeye, a generic "you") keep repeating over and over that Obama is a "tyrant" and that "it's time to water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants" to heavily armed, angry people... well, you do the math. The rhetoric has gotten divorced from reality and it is charging up a lot of unstable people IMO.
    Posted by DanCP



    after a couple of saturdays ago, is this even a debatable point?
     
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    If you (not you hawkeye, a generic "you") keep repeating over and over that Obama is a "tyrant" and that "it's time to water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants" to heavily armed, angry people... well, you do the math. The rhetoric has gotten divorced from reality and it is charging up a lot of unstable people IMO.


    People were doing that for eight years when Bush was in office. Calling him a Nazi and a tyrant and even going so far as wishing his death yet nothing happened.
    My point is if people want to do something they will regardless of some letter. The authorities even state that the letter had no threats in it.
     
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    "People were doing that for eight years when Bush was in office. Calling him a Nazi and a tyrant and even going so far as wishing his death yet nothing happened."

    We didn't see the numbers of militia groups and hate groups exploding under Bush, or have armed folks showing up at political rallies, have talking heads 24/7 on mainstream TV calling the president of the united states a tyrant/communist/fascist/socialist whose true hidden goal is to destroy america... There's no doubt we have our share of looney tunes on the left, but you must admit we've never seen anything before like this reaction on the right to Obama.
     
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    "People were doing that for eight years when Bush was in office. Calling him a Nazi and a tyrant and even going so far as wishing his death yet nothing happened." We didn't see the numbers of militia groups and hate groups exploding under Bush, or have armed folks showing up at political rallies, have talking heads 24/7 on mainstream TV calling the president of the united states a tyrant/communist/fascist/socialist whose true hidden goal is to destroy america... There's no doubt we have our share of looney tunes on the left, but you must admit we've never seen anything before like this reaction on the right to Obama.
    Posted by DanCP


    Fair enough. These are nutballs and hopefully they are dealt with accordingly.
     
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    "JFK was killed by a freaking committed Marxist, Lee Harvey Oswald"

    I'm not a JFK conspiracy theorist, but I do find it strange thet Oswald was able to renounce his US citizenship, defect to the Soviet Union, and then years later waltz right back to the US with his commie wife. Are the claims that he was hanging out with far right, anti-communist groups in New Orleans while at the same time handing out pro-Castro leaflets false? (have I been watching too much Oliver Stone?)
     
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    "JFK was killed by a freaking committed Marxist, Lee Harvey Oswald" I'm not a JFK conspiracy theorist, but I do find it strange thet Oswald was able to renounce his US citizenship, defect to the Soviet Union, and then years later waltz right back to the US with his commie wife. Are the claims that he was hanging out with far right, anti-communist groups in New Orleans while at the same time handing out pro-Castro leaflets false? (have I been watching too much Oliver Stone?)
    Posted by DanCP


    Oswald really had no agency. The Soviets didn't want him or find him useful in any way, and the US didn't really care whether he came back or stayed. I don't really know anything about any affiliation with right wing groups. I don't very strongly he had any given his stance on Cuba. Holding "Hands off Cuba" signs is not something that would endear one to the right
     
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    I heard Maxine Waters comparing the tea party to the people in the south that were attacking the civil rights marchers. Now there is this Lee Harvey Oswald comparison to add to the list. I can't vouch for every member of the tea party, code pink, or any other political group, but it seems to me the left is really playing games here. To me its almost a passive aggressive approach towards making things even worse.
     
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    "but it seems to me the left is really playing games here."


    No way....the Left would NEVER play politics. How DARE you even suggest such a thing....

    The Left is going to get as much political mileage out of this as they can. Politicians are out for themselves in that they want to keep their jobs first and foremost and will pretty much do anything to keep their jobs
     
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    " I can't vouch for every member of the tea party, code pink, or any other political group, but it seems to me the left is really playing games here"

    I can't vouch for them either, I can only tell you that I am sincerely worried about the over-the-top rhetoric from some on the right and the climate it is leading to - no games here.
     
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    " I can't vouch for every member of the tea party, code pink, or any other political group, but it seems to me the left is really playing games here" I can't vouch for them either, I can only tell you that I am sincerely worried about the over-the-top rhetoric from some on the right and the climate it is leading to - no games here.
    Posted by DanCP


    Thats fine, as long as there is an accurate depiction of what this threat really is. I hope its not affecting your everyday life or anything.

     Ironic, but the left often complained about scare tactics used by the right regarding terrorism. Now we have the left using scare tactics regarding the tea party.
     
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    I heard Maxine Waters comparing the tea party to the people in the south that were attacking the civil rights marchers. Now there is this Lee Harvey Oswald comparison to add to the list. I can't vouch for every member of the tea party, code pink, or any other political group, but it seems to me the left is really playing games here. To me its almost a passive aggressive approach towards making things even worse.
    Posted by lrecliner


    some of them showed up in Washington with guns

    some showed up with signs saying "We came unarmed (this time)"

    we have a new militia group with active plans for terrorist activity in this country cropping up ever week now

    at what point are we allowed to take the threat seriously?

    if a group of Muslims showed up on the Washington mall with signs saying "We came unarmed (this time)", do you think  the people saying that the left is blowing things out of proportion now would have the same opinion then?
     
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    at what point are we allowed to take the threat seriously?


    I believe this IS being taken seriously. The FBI doesn't usually get involved unless it is serious. Next hyperbole-loaded question.
     
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    In Response to Re: Guardians of the Free Republics : some of them showed up in Washington with guns some showed up with signs saying "We came unarmed (this time)" we have a new militia group with active plans for terrorist activity in this country cropping up ever week now at what point are we allowed to take the threat seriously? if a group of Muslims showed up on the Washington mall with signs saying "We came unarmed (this time)", do you think  the people saying that the left is blowing things out of proportion now would have the same opinion then?
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    I never said you weren't allowed to take it seriously. Like I said, I certainly can't, and won't vouch for every member of the tea party. My point is that the left is playing this up, making inacurrate comparisons that amount to character assasination that causes even more alienation.

    Well, if a group of Muslims showed up carrying the same signs, you would probably hear people on the left talking about things like free assembly, how protesting is patriotic, etc. I doubt very much Maxine Waters would compare them to the people in the South that attacked civil rights marchers. 

    Of course, the right would be guilty of overplaying it, so theres that too.
     
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    My point is that the left is playing this up, making inacurrate comparisons that amount to character assasination that causes even more alienation. Well, if a group of Muslims showed up carrying the same signs, you would probably hear people on the left talking about things like free assembly, how protesting is patriotic, etc. I doubt very much Maxine Waters would compare them to the people in the South that attacked civil rights marchers.  Of course, the right would be guilty of overplaying it, so theres that too.
    Posted by lrecliner


    I don't think anyone is saying the TPers shouldn't be able to assemble, to carry dumb/threatening signs, or even come armed, assuming they have a permit

    I certainly don't want to shut them up, or shut Palin up, or any of the other talking heads. They're providing a tremendous service to the left

    But i don't think the left is playing this up at all. There isn't just speculation about what they might do, there's actual evidence about what they've done or, in some cases, have planned to do. To many of these people are on the edge. They're extremely angry, highly irrational, incredibly impressionable ,and the people that have influence on them are stirring it up further.
     
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    "Like I said, I certainly can't, and won't vouch for every member of the tea party."

    I've been engaging in online, civil debate with tea party people for the past few weeks on another forum. I find them to range from fairly ignorant conspiracy theorists to well informed, mild mannered fiscal conservatives. Hard to say what the ratio is....
     
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    In Response to Re: Guardians of the Free Republics : I don't think anyone is saying the TPers shouldn't be able to assemble, to carry dumb/threatening signs, or even come armed, assuming they have a permit But i don't think the left is playing this up at all. There isn't speculation about what they might do, there's actual evidence about what they've done or, in some cases, have planned to do. To many of these people are on the edge. They're extremely angry, and the people that have influence on them are stirring it up further.
    Posted by Hansonbrother

    Well, they certainly haven't done anything even remotely on a par with what the terrorists have done (the comparison you used). The other thing is that now we can tie anything that happens to the tea party. Some guy breaks a window- its the tea party, some guy bumps a car with an Obama sticker- its tea party. The left is turning them into the bogeyman. This is a pretty common tactic and seems pretty obvious. Maybe I'll be proven wrong- we'll see.

    To my knowledge there is no official edict that promotes violence by the tea party. Its not really an organization with officially appointed/elected/recognized leaders per se, more like a movement. I believe TEA is an acronym for taxed enough already..doesn't really send shivers down my spine. A lot of the footage I have seen (in addition to the alleged spitting incident which has been run about a billion times) are retired people holding signs and chanting slogans. I am not really expecting anything major from them, but like I said, I can't vouch for all of them.

     
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    "It is convenient for you t o pick up on a small extremist group of people and then extrapolate it to a term "the right" and by implication indict anyone right of a moderate like Susan Collins or Joe Liberman."

    Point taken.
     
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    I just love it when a self appointed group tries to "fix" America by threatening the majority vote elected officers. So they can preserve our rights? How about the right to vote for the people the majority likes?
     
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