Gun Appreciation Day: Sponsored by White Supremecists, fringe lunatics, and conspiracy theorists!

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    Gun Appreciation Day: Sponsored by White Supremecists, fringe lunatics, and conspiracy theorists!

    Howdy folks!

     

    For those not in the know tomorrow Jan 19th has been disginated Gun Appreciation Day!  (http://gunappreciationday.com ) Organizers of the event have asked that people go gun stores, gun counters, gun shows, and gun ranges to protest the Obama administration's "post Sandy Hook assault on gun rights" in support of the effort. 

    Among the listing of sponsors including many local and regional shops, websites, Tea Party affiliates, and PACS is a curious entryl American Third Position. 

    A3P's mission statement from its own website:

    "The American Third Position Party believes that government policy in the United States discriminates against white Americans, the majority population, and that white Americans need their own political party to fight this discrimination."

    The group also states that it "exists to represent the unique political interests of white Americans. It exists to maintain the identity, culture, and way of life of the American people, whose forefathers, from a vast wilderness, carved out an awe-inspiring extension of Western civilization, in order that their progeny--us--might live in relative peace and prosperity."

    Wow!

    But some of the other “sponsors” listed on the event’s website appear motivated in part by the kind of outlandish and paranoid ideas often found among right-wing extremist groups.

    One, the Social Security Institute, describes itself as a “nonpartisan seniors advocacy organization.” But its website offers warnings about “world government” which fears that a government gun grab could lead to a U.N. takeover, often referred to in extremist circles as a “New World Order.” And SSI’s president, Lawrence Hunter, wrote recently that “[a] heavily armed citizenry is not about armed revolt; it is about defending oneself against armed government oppression.”

    Larry Ward, Gun Appreciation Day’s chief organizer, is listed as a member of SSI’s board, and as the group’s “director of new media.” The website for his company, Political Media, displays SSI’s site as an example of its work. Ward describes himself in his bio on SSI’s site as a protégé of GOP political consultant Dick Morris. Morris himself said last year on Fox News that he feared Obama would try to make the U.S. “a vassal state to a globalist entity.”

    Ward popped up at an anti-NRA protest last month, telling demonstrators and reporters that the Newtown, Conn. shootings could have been stopped if teachers were armed, according to a Washington Post report.

    Another listed sponsor of Gun Appreciation Day, RightMarch.com, urges supporters to “help STOP Barack Obama from grabbing unconstitutional powers to declare martial law through all of his new Presidential Executive Orders.”  The notion that the federal government will confiscate guns as a precursor to a declaration of martial law is a feature of numerous far-right conspiracy theories.

    And a post on the website of Conbustible.com, also listed as a sponsor of the event, describes public schools as “progressive indoctrination camps,” and complains that “the givers (sic) shove the producers out of the way as they waddle to the trough for some more free lunch.”

    Another post on the site, which is affiliated with the Ron Paul movement, promotes the theory of nullification—that the 10th Amendment of the Constitution lets states “nullify” federal laws they don’t like. The idea, which has little backing among constitutional scholars, is a favorite of Tea Party activists opposed to healthcare reform and other Obama-administration measures, and has been embraced by neo-Confederate hate groups, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremism.

     

     

     
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    Re: Gun Appreciation Day: Sponsored by White Supremecists, fringe lunatics, and conspiracy theorists!

    This is what gun psychosis looks like.

    Unregulated one-man militias loaded with weapons, fear, paranoia and fantasies of government takeover waiting for a reason to use all of the guns they have acquired to defend against imaginary and hallucinatory threats to their 'liberty;

    Grown men claiming Newtown was purely a 'mental health' issue and refusing to accept the idea that guns obviously require regulation.

    Grown men, with no concern for the liberty of 20 dead 1st graders, running around screaming liberty and proudly waving their murder weapons.

     
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    Radical right-wing opposition to the legitimacy and authority of the federal government is reaching dangerous levels.

     
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    Yeah, no one should be afraid of people armed to the teeth who think the rapture is upon us, that a world government is imminent, that Obama is a manchurian candidate seeking to destroy the country, or institute martial law, or start rounding up people for his death camps, and all are ready to start shooting to quell their fears. 

    You want to talk about mental health as a driver for gun violence?  Well here you go. 

     
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    In response to DamainAllen's comment:

    Yeah, no one should be afraid of people armed to the teeth who think the rapture is upon us, that a world government is imminent, that Obama is a manchurian candidate seeking to destroy the country, or institute martial law, or start rounding up people for his death camps, and all are ready to start shooting to quell their fears. 

    You want to talk about mental health as a driver for gun violence?  Well here you go. 

    You read and believe too much internet "news"! lol

    Talk about mentally unstable lol

     
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    Yeah, no one should be afraid of people armed to the teeth who think the rapture is upon us, that a world government is imminent, that Obama is a manchurian candidate seeking to destroy the country, or institute martial law, or start rounding up people for his death camps, and all are ready to start shooting to quell their fears. 

    You want to talk about mental health as a driver for gun violence?  Well here you go. 

     

     

    You read and believe too much internet "news"! lol

    Talk about mentally unstable lol




    These are the things the websites for these various groups say, not me, not the news.  These are their words and the causes they beleive in. 

     
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    In response to DamainAllen's comment:

    In response to tvoter's comment:

    In response to DamainAllen's comment: 

    Yeah, no one should be afraid of people armed to the teeth who think the rapture is upon us, that a world government is imminent, that Obama is a manchurian candidate seeking to destroy the country, or institute martial law, or start rounding up people for his death camps, and all are ready to start shooting to quell their fears. 

    You want to talk about mental health as a driver for gun violence?  Well here you go.  

    You read and believe too much internet "news"! lol

    Talk about mentally unstable lol

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    These are the things the websites for these various groups say, not me, not the news.  These are their words and the causes they beleive in. 




    Key word "websites" A single person can create a website and say whatever he/she wants and have as many followers as he/she wants to claim they have.

     

     

     
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    In response to tvoter's comment:

    In response to DamainAllen's comment:

     

    In response to tvoter's comment:

    In response to DamainAllen's comment: 

    Yeah, no one should be afraid of people armed to the teeth who think the rapture is upon us, that a world government is imminent, that Obama is a manchurian candidate seeking to destroy the country, or institute martial law, or start rounding up people for his death camps, and all are ready to start shooting to quell their fears. 

    You want to talk about mental health as a driver for gun violence?  Well here you go.  

    You read and believe too much internet "news"! lol

    Talk about mentally unstable lol

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    These are the things the websites for these various groups say, not me, not the news.  These are their words and the causes they beleive in. 

     




    Key word "websites" A single person can create a website and say whatever he/she wants and have as many followers as he/she wants to claim they have.

     

     

     



    Actually, there was a recent study done by West Point Military Academy that said the same thing:

    Violent right-wing radical groups are on the rise in America, and they're armed to the gills.

     

    Look it up.

     

     
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    This stupid post reminds me of the claim that Democrats are communists.

     

    WASHINGTON -- As many as 80 House Democrats are communists, according to Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.).

    West warned constituents at a Tuesday town hall event that he's "heard" that dozens of his Democratic colleagues in the House are members of the Communist Party, thePalm Beach Post reported. There are currently 190 House Democrats.

    West spokeswoman Angela Melvin later defended West's comments -- and clarified to whom West was referring.

    "The Congressman was referring to the 76 members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. The Communist Party has publicly referred to the Progressive Caucus as its allies. The Progressive Caucus speaks for itself. These individuals certainly aren't proponents of free markets or individual economic freedom," Melvin said in a statement to The Huffington Post.

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    Damain  - your post is complete nonsense.

     



    Can you read?  If not, then it may appear to be nonsense.

     

    I didn't claim ALL, or MOST, or SOME republicans are anything.  What I did say was the this event is sponsored by White Supremecists, fringe lunatics, and conspiracy theorists.  And guess what?  All of that is true! 

    Get this.  Using the "internet" one can go to the GAD "website" and look at their list of sponsors.   The groups I highlighted are right there!  And then you can go to those groups "websites" where they have posted the very same statements that I highlighted above.  You can easily confirm all of this because what I posted is at the top of this page, yes, this very page you are reading right now. 

    This isn't some rumor circulated by email forward this is information the GAD people have proudly put out there for people to see and by simply following the links they posted one can confirm everything I posted. 

    So explain to me how this is nonsense? 

     
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    Citing the "Southern Poverty Law Center" destroys any credibility. In the past, the SPLC had actually done some good by identifying and monitoring real hate groups such as the KKK, neo-Nazis and Skin Heads. But now, regrettably, the SPLC has traded in its limited usefulness for radical left-wing activism.

    The Law Center is essentially a fraud and that it has a habit of casually labeling organizations as "hate groups." (Which doesn't mean that some of the groups it criticizes aren't reprehensible.) In doing so, the SPLC shuts down debate, stifles free speech, and most of all, raises a pile of money, very little of which is used on behalf of poor people.

    It has become much like that which it previously sought to expose. Today it uses the very tactics employed by white nationalists and other bona fide hate groups to malign large groups of people whom the SPLC most decidedly "hates." It's nauseatingly transparent. With empty, ad hominem attacks and pejorative "hate group" smears, the SPLC strives to politically marginalize its ideological opponents. It's a cynical "guilt-by-false-association" scheme, through which the SPLC hopes — in the public mind's eye — to equate Christians, "Tea Party" conservatives and other traditionalists to the KKK and neo-Nazis.

    In recent years, the SPLC greatly expanded its definition of civil rights and hate groups to the point where any organization that opposes the left's favored causes risks being labeled a hate group by the SPLC. It has also moved away from suing on behalf of the aggrieved to raising awareness of the presence of "hate groups." Most of all, for the last 35 years, it has become a real fundraising dynamo.

     
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    In response to NO MO O's comment:

    They may be on the rise and also may be armed to the teeth.


    How many deaths are confirmed (convistions) and attributed to these groups?
    How many deaths are caused by illegal aliens?

    How many deaths are classified as domestic disputes?

     

    Now I know you would never fear monger but it's at the top of Barrys vacabulary.



    Why should we have to wait until they kill somebody...?

    How about, oh, say, making sure their guns are registered and accounted for.

    If they have a right to form their own little militias, then we should know about it.

     

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    Citing the "Southern Poverty Law Center" destroys any credibility. In the past, the SPLC had actually done some good by identifying and monitoring real hate groups such as the KKK, neo-Nazis and Skin Heads. But now, regrettably, the SPLC has traded in its limited usefulness for radical left-wing activism.

    The Law Center is essentially a fraud and that it has a habit of casually labeling organizations as "hate groups." (Which doesn't mean that some of the groups it criticizes aren't reprehensible.) In doing so, the SPLC shuts down debate, stifles free speech, and most of all, raises a pile of money, very little of which is used on behalf of poor people.

    It has become much like that which it previously sought to expose. Today it uses the very tactics employed by white nationalists and other bona fide hate groups to malign large groups of people whom the SPLC most decidedly "hates." It's nauseatingly transparent. With empty, ad hominem attacks and pejorative "hate group" smears, the SPLC strives to politically marginalize its ideological opponents. It's a cynical "guilt-by-false-association" scheme, through which the SPLC hopes — in the public mind's eye — to equate Christians, "Tea Party" conservatives and other traditionalists to the KKK and neo-Nazis.

    In recent years, the SPLC greatly expanded its definition of civil rights and hate groups to the point where any organization that opposes the left's favored causes risks being labeled a hate group by the SPLC. It has also moved away from suing on behalf of the aggrieved to raising awareness of the presence of "hate groups." Most of all, for the last 35 years, it has become a real fundraising dynamo.




    Predictable.  Lets attack the SPLC. 

    How about we look at the A3P website and make our own determination then?

    http://american3rdposition.com/

    Mission Statement:

    The American Third Position is a patriotic, democratic alternative to the two parties that have wrecked our great nation. The U.S. political system has been shaped by the corrupt, entrenched, nearly identical Democrat and Republican machines. They are united in their ruthless suppression of all “third” parties.

    Parts of our beautiful country now resemble Third World communities in Latin America, Africa and Asia. White people are already a minority in many cities and counties, along with several states, both large and small. Without constructive political action, within a few decades we will become a minority across the entire country. Enough is enough!

    The American Third Position Party believes that government policy in the United States discriminates against white Americans, the majority population, and that white Americans need their own political party to fight this discrimination. Our government no longer represents us. The Democrats no longer represent us. The Republicans no longer represent us. There is a real need to educate European Americans that they have common interests, common values, and common traditions.

    The American Third Position Party believes that we should put America first!

    http://american3rdposition.com/?page_id=195

    Lets see what members of its leadership have to say about race in America. 

    In an interview with West Virgina Public Broadcasing, Larry Bertram, the state chairman for A3P had the following to offer:
    "White supremacist is always used by left-wing liberal media types who tend to paint a broad brush on people and try to demonize them," he said. "There's nobody that I know that's a white supremacist because that's like a slave owner, someone who wants to dominate over another person or people.

    "What we say, we are white nationalists which means we love our race and are willing to do something to preserve it, nationalist means putting America first.

    "When you start to destroy someone's culture and identity, bringing in a different group of people who aren't the same background, that's sort of committing genocide against that group. And we're not going to stand for it without speaking out against it," said Bertram.

    http://www.wvpubcast.org/newsarticle.aspx?id=22014

    Interesting.  But maybe Larry is just a rogue member who flew off at the lip? 

    A3P chairman, William Daniel Johnson, under the name James O. Pace, wrote a 1985 book advocating a constitutional amendment (the "Pace Amendment") that would repeal the 14th and 15th amendments and deport almost all non-whites from the United States.
     
    The Pace Amendment proposed defining whiteness thusly:

    “No person shall be a citizen of the United States unless he is a non-Hispanic white of the European race, in whom there is no ascertainable trace of Negro blood, nor more than one-eighth Mongolian, Asian, Asia Minor, Middle Eastern, Semitic, Near Eastern, American Indian, Malay or other non-European or non-white blood, provided that Hispanic whites, defined as anyone with an Hispanic ancestor, may be citizens if, in addition to meeting the aforesaid ascertainable trace and percentage tests, they are in appearance indistinguishable from Americans whose ancestral home is in the British Isles or Northwestern Europe. Only citizens shall have the right and privilege to reside permanently in the United States.”

    —William Daniel Johnson (as "James O. Pace")

    Also of note, William Daniel Johnson has been a featured speaker at numerous Tea Party events. 

    Not enough?  Lets continue.
     
    When Ryan Murdough, a NH state party chairman ran for a seat in the NH government the state GOP did not support him, calling him among other things "a despicable racist"  His platform?  Keep NH white.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/racist-new-hampshire-man-ryan-murdough-hate-elected-state-house-seat-article-1.463564

    So, I don't think the credibility of the SPLC is in question here.  Their depiction of A3P aligns with A3P's own stated goals and mission.  They are without question a White Supremecist organization. 

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    Actually, there was a recent study done by West Point Military Academy that said the same thing:

    Violent right-wing radical groups are on the rise in America, and they're armed to the gills. 

    Look it up. 

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    Did you know violent black seperatists groups, violent MS-13 and violent Amish Mafia groups are also on the rise??

    geez!

     
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    If they have a right to form their own little militias, then we should know about it. 

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    Who is "we"?

     
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    In response to tvoter's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    Actually, there was a recent study done by West Point Military Academy that said the same thing:

    Violent right-wing radical groups are on the rise in America, and they're armed to the gills. 

    Look it up. 




    Did you know violent black seperatists groups, violent MS-13 and violent Amish Mafia groups are also on the rise??

    geez!

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    Can you point to a reputable study that says that?  If so, then I'll agree.

    But in some loopy conservative minds, Morgan Freeman is a "violent black seperatist"[sic], and every male with a -z at the end of his surname is in the ms-13.

     

     
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    In response to tvoter's comment:

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    Actually, there was a recent study done by West Point Military Academy that said the same thing:

    Violent right-wing radical groups are on the rise in America, and they're armed to the gills. 

    Look it up. 

    Did you know violent black seperatists groups, violent MS-13 and violent Amish Mafia groups are also on the rise??

    geez!



    Can you point to a reputable study that says that?  If so, then I'll agree.

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    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/new-black-panther-party

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/nation-of-islam

     

     

     

     

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    In response to tvoter's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    Actually, there was a recent study done by West Point Military Academy that said the same thing:

    Violent right-wing radical groups are on the rise in America, and they're armed to the gills. 

    Look it up. 

    Did you know violent black seperatists groups, violent MS-13 and violent Amish Mafia groups are also on the rise??

    geez!

     



    Can you point to a reputable study that says that?  If so, then I'll agree.

     

     




    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/new-black-panther-party

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/nation-of-islam

     

     

     

     

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    Oops...bobin sez SPLC is "not a credible source".  Sorry.  Normally, I would agree.

    So which one refers to ms-13 and the amish pretzel mafia...?

     

    NBP and NoI don't carry guns though, per the last 'kill whitey' meetings I went to.  

    Ooops again!!

     

     
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