Health care bill is it Socialism

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    no man, has the 'right' to tell a women what she can or cannot do with her body. federal funding for abortions is something entirely different and i'd argue if your oppsed to that, than you should be opposed to any governmental action that results in death.
    Posted by scauma82


    That is the stupidest left argument going. "Men" have had the "right" to tell other men and women what they can and can't  do with their bodies.  Get real.
     
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    interesting quote from a regular joe shmoe somwhere overseas: "I'm not the biggest supporter of Obama, but seriously, he's not a (expletive deleted) communist, get it in your (expletive deleted) inbred skulls. Socialized health care has nothing to do with replacing the capitalist market with collective farms, it means that if you cut off your hands or if you get a tumor you can go to the hospital and not pay a (expletive deleted) cent. That means instead of healthcare favoring the rich, a man working 2 part time jobs making $12 and hour can get some goddamn penicillin if their kid gets pneumonia. If Americans can't get off their moral high horse and see that "socialized" healthcare is a step forward and too self centered to paid an extra 2-3% of their taxes to fund the implementation of universal healthcare, you guys are pathetic."
    Posted by scauma82


    Think you swallowed the Democratic 'worm' on this hook. The rich are being painted as the bad guys.

    I ask:
    Who will benefit the most from this? 
    .. illegals, those not working, the welfare queens.
    .. The Democrats as they stuff hundreds of positions of government jobs with their buddies

    Who will pay the most for this? .. Anyone that works.. rich, middle class....

    Doesn't sound QUITE fair to me.

    It doesn't stop there.. socialized medicine.. insurance.. definition of care..
    I don't want the corrupt government controlling my life anymore. Maybe SOME people do.
     
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    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : That is the stupidest left argument going. "Men" have had the "right" to tell other men and women what they can and can't  do with their bodies.  Get real.
    Posted by 7x4


    really now?
     
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    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : That is the stupidest left argument going. "Men" have had the "right" to tell other men and women what they can and can't  do with their bodies.  Get real.
    Posted by 7x4

    Sure, except for those Constitutional guarantees pertaining to liberty and privacy rights.

     
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    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : I take it your not female, I'm sure they know when the baby is there.  miscarriage investigated ? That's what doctors do, they report  them if needed.  I know I'm crazy, I love my fellow man.
    Posted by chiefhowie

    Sorry, you apparently have a lot of experience in the matter, but there is a pretty good market for pregnancy testing to see if women are actually pregnant. And a fertilized egg is a potential child only: lots of things can happen in nine months time.  Doctors report miscarriages to the police?  Not unless the fetus/baby would have been viable and even then it would depend on circumstances.   Pretty darn rare.  Love your fellow man all you like, just don't control the decisions of other people.  Respect is a good thing too.

     
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    no man, has the 'right' to tell a women what she can or cannot do with her body. federal funding for abortions is something entirely different and i'd argue if your oppsed to that, than you should be opposed to any governmental action that results in death.
    Posted by scauma82


    But why do women have a right to tell me what I can do with my body? Sounds hypocritical to me.

    BTW, I am 100% against abortion and 100% pro-choice.
     
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    Science and society win over conscience and morality.
     
    How sad.
     
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    hit the bong and read The Onion
     
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    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : Sure, except for those Constitutional guarantees pertaining to liberty and privacy rights.
    Posted by Reubenhop


    Uh huh. And the govt doesn't tell you what you can and cannot do to your body?  Go do some illegal drugs in front of cop. Go chug from a brown bottle while pregnant in front of a DSS (well, they might do nothing).  Go try to commit suicide. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : Uh huh. And the govt doesn't tell you what you can and cannot do to your body?  Go do some illegal drugs in front of cop. Go chug from a brown bottle while pregnant in front of a DSS (well, they might do nothing).  Go try to commit suicide. 
    Posted by 7x4

    Stating the obvious there chicky.  The issue is harm to self or to others.  Society has no legitimate involvement in non-harmful actions.   No rights are unlimited.   just accept there are rights in the first place. 

     
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    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : Stating the obvious there chicky.  The issue is harm to self or to others.  Society has no legitimate involvement in non-harmful actions.   No rights are unlimited.   just accept there are rights in the first place. 
    Posted by Reubenhop


    So abortion is a "non-harmful" action? I'm pro-choice but let's face it....abortion is quite harmful.
     
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    Fact: If your healthcare plan covers D&C and related services, then you pay into the same pool that funds abortion. Deal with it. 

    Why is it that those who are so vehemently against abortion are so willing to encourage or resort to violence to make their point??

    Why is it that those who insist that babies must be carried to term alternately deny offering them or their mothers any sort of public assistance after the baby is born (and demonize those who do try to help)??


    Let's call this debate what it really is: "much ado about fu%$ing".
     
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    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism :   Good thing it wasn't the in thing when you were born. DEBATABLE it responsibility, it's a life. If you think its OK to kill life, I feel sorry for you ,not hatred. There have been Idiots on both sides of the argument. If it's growing then it's life, you can't give it any other spin, life is life it has DNA. A woman is protecting life in her womb. ( much ado about ---)? Easy way let others pay your way. There are thousands of places to care for un-wed mothers, the reason 99.9% get aborted are mothers not married and want to marry later, not that they can't get help. All about them.
    Posted by chiefhowie

    Society opted for the 'easy way out'. Your point is valid.. values have not only slipped but fallen dramatically. In our "wisdom" we can logically defend killing. We create and debate "special" circumstances when it's okay to kill. 
    Are our values still falling? Where is the bottom.. there HAS to be a bottom. How much further is the bottom? I think what morality got us here inthe first place.. while we discard it in lieu of our highly advanced logic. 
     
     
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    The Congressional Budget Office estimates that up to 10 million people could lose their employer-based insurance coverage under the Senate's health care reform bill. 

    In new figures out Monday, the nonpartisan office said the net loss would add up to about 5 million -- the anticipated loss of employer coverage on one end would be offset in part by the expectation that a new mandate would drive other employers to cover millions more workers who are not currently covered. 

    But the estimate assumes many employers, particularly small businesses with low-wage workers, would opt to pay the fine and drop their insurance plans. The CBO estimated this would affect between 9 million and 10 million workers. 

    The estimate was provided after Republicans pressed the CBO for details on employer coverage, and it added fuel to the GOP argument that President Obama's claim that nobody will be forced to give up their private coverage is bunk. It comes in the middle of a heated debate in the Senate over whether and how the government should enter the market with its own insurance plan.  

    ""If you like what you have you can't keep it, the Senate Republican office said in an e-mail highlighting the CBO report and keying off the president's refrain. 

    Though some of those who lose their coverage would be eligible for government subsidies to buy insurance, some would not, according to the CBO. 

    For instance, a family of four making more than $88,000 would not qualify for subsidies and could face even higher premiums in the private market.

    Obama made another mistake. HE should have tucked this to us without due diligence. The longer this goes on.. the more answers come out.

     
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    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism :   Good thing it wasn't the in thing when you were born. it responsibility, it's a life. If you think its OK to kill life, I feel sorry for you ,not hatred. There have been Idiots on both sides of the argument. If it's growing then it's life, you can't give it any other spin, life is life it has DNA. A woman is protecting life in her womb. ( much ado about ---)? just don't f. Easy way let others pay your way. There are thousands of places to care for un-wed mothers, the reason 99.9% get aborted are mothers not married and want to marry later, not that they can't get help. All about them but like an alcoholic they always remember the life they took and regret. ask one sometime. I'm still paying for the killing in the healthcare bill. Note: get an abortion/not need one for their life. No ! my health care doesn't pay for abortion unless it's a life event.
    Posted by chiefhowie



    It's not a question of whether I think it's OK to kill life.  I support the death penalty, and I support abortion rights.  That's consistency for you.  But what we're really talking about is "reproductive rights", and your naive request to "not eff" flies in the face of human history. 

    Some would have you believe that life is sacred.  I think that's BS, because sanctity, like religion, is an artificial construct.  But even if there was such a thing, it's not practiced consistently, otherwise, there would be no earthly justification for the killing of tens of thousands of Iraqis vs. the 3,000 or so 9/11 victims.  There would also be no justification in allowing people to have as many kids as they want without regard to their welfare or the quality of their upbringing.  Is that "responsibility" in your view?  Is a child only a "blessing" until it becomes a ward of the state?

    I said nothing about un-wed mothers, drawing no distinction, but I challenge your statistic of 99.9% - source, please.

    And I did not give you permission to "feel sorry" for me.  You know less than nothing about my life, so let's not make it personal.
     
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    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : Stating the obvious there chicky.  The issue is harm to self or to others.  Society has no legitimate involvement in non-harmful actions.   No rights are unlimited.   just accept there are rights in the first place. 
    Posted by Reubenhop


    No harm to a baby that's living contentedly in the womb?  A baby born and left to fend for itself will die. So the "viability" argument is moot.
     
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