Health care bill is it Socialism

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    Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 12:53 PM EST

     It Violates my rights. I truly believe life is when growth begins. If you use resources  that are taken from me to terminate life. Then you are violating my rights. I would be funding These termination's of life against my will. When my first child was born, my wife was in labor for hours, I was told I might have to chose which one lived. I thought long about it, i finally decided on my wife  because she affected more lives and we would have more children. That's when saw how precious life is. Yea 6 kids, I paid all.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 1:35 PM EST

    Kinda ironic.. they will use tax money from working people to ..
    a.) tax us more
    b.) steer us directly into socialism
    c.) take our rights away
    d.) benefit the illegals and lazy while promoting them into the Democratic party

    Something must change. Perhaps something revolutionary.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 2:08 PM EST

    I don't like Afghanistan and our boys fighting and dying there.  My rights are being violated because I have to pay for it.   The Army is socialism.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 2:38 PM EST

    Soldiers choose to enlist and fight and die.

    unborn babies do not choose to die.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 3:12 PM EST

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    Soldiers choose to enlist and fight and die. unborn babies do not choose to die.
    Posted by 7x4

    You are so right.
     I enlisted knowing what it might be Involved. Your goal in the military is to prevent as many deaths as you can.
    You chose to F, you take responsibility. Socialist ! always it's all about them, so they take no responsibility, for their life.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 3:18 PM EST

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    Soldiers choose to enlist and fight and die. unborn babies do not choose to die.
    Posted by 7x4


    You don't get it.  The original poster objects to paying for government services he disagrees with and calls them "socialism". It is an absurd idea.  And in case you haven't noticed, the country is deeply split on whether a fetus has all the rights of a viable human. 
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 3:20 PM EST

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    I don't like Afghanistan and our boys fighting and dying there.  My rights are being violated because I have to pay for it.   The Army is socialism.
    Posted by Reubenhop


    Bye your standards so are all Government run dept. FBI, FDA and such. So I guess you will have to find an island of your own. IRS is evil, just incite a few suicides.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 3:22 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism:
    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : You are so right.  I enlisted knowing what it might be Involved. Your goal in the military is to prevent as many deaths as you can. You chose to F, you take responsibility. Socialist ! always it's all about them, so they take no responsibility, for their life.
    Posted by chiefhowie


    You making decisions over someone else's personal life is an example of freedom? No, you are trying to control their lives.  Why do you believe in big government?
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 3:31 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism:
    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : You making decisions over someone else's personal life is an example of freedom? No, you are trying to control their lives.  Why do you believe in big government?
    Posted by Reubenhop


    It's their responsibility,practice safe sex, not to terminate life. It's our responsibility to protect life. I suppose you wouldn't jump to save a young child from danger, you wouldn't want to interfere in someones decision. Life is everthing, I would even try to save your life if needed.
     Most who have abortion wish they hadn't later in life.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 3:32 PM EST

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    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : You making decisions over someone else's personal life is an example of freedom? No, you are trying to control their lives.  Why do you believe in big government?
    Posted by Reubenhop
    ...Socialism today. Marxism tomorrow. They have no clue what the heck they are talking about
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 3:50 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism:
    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : You don't get it.  The original poster objects to paying for government services he disagrees with and calls them "socialism". It is an absurd idea.  And in case you haven't noticed, the country is deeply split on whether a fetus has all the rights of a viable human. 
    Posted by Reubenhop


    I do get it. You made a poor argument. Please revise and try again. Clearly, before about 26 weeks, babies have little in the way of rights. (interesting that a new born baby is viable as long as it is taken care of 24x7.  In reality, a new born is less viable than a baby in the womb. But I digress.)  That baby before 26 weeks has little in the way of rights unless a person assaults the fetus (say they stab the mother and kill the fetus). Then the baby has rights and it's called murder. Weeeeeeeeeee.  Just sayin'.

    Abortion may be a necessary thing, but let's call it what it is.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 4:41 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism:
    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : Bye your standards so are all Government run dept. FBI, FDA and such. So I guess you will have to find an island of your own. IRS is evil, just incite a few suicides.
    Posted by chiefhowie


    It was sarcasm.  A reaction to your initial post.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 4:41 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism:
    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : I do get it. You made a poor argument. Please revise and try again. Clearly, before about 26 weeks, babies have little in the way of rights. (interesting that a new born baby is viable as long as it is taken care of 24x7.  In reality, a new born is less viable than a baby in the womb. But I digress.)  That baby before 26 weeks has little in the way of rights unless a person assaults the fetus (say they stab the mother and kill the fetus). Then the baby has rights and it's called murder. Weeeeeeeeeee.  Just sayin'. Abortion may be a necessary thing, but let's call it what it is.
    Posted by 7x4


    Abortion may be a necessary thing, Please tell me why ! I like info.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 4:47 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism:
    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : It's their responsibility,practice safe sex, not to terminate life. It's our responsibility to protect life. I suppose you wouldn't jump to save a young child from danger, you wouldn't want to interfere in someones decision. Life is everthing, I would even try to save your life if needed.  Most who have abortion wish they hadn't later in life.
    Posted by chiefhowie


    Chief: Newsflash. Your views are not controlling on this issue.  There is a huge difference of opinion as to whether a fertilized egg is a human.  Would you want every miscarriage investigated as a potential homicide?  Talk about big government...  And thanks for considering me human enough to try to save me from impending harm... "even" with my different opinions.  Very big of you.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 4:52 PM EST

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    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : Abortion may be a necessary thing, Please tell me why ! I like info.
    Posted by chiefhowie


    A friend of mine had a late term abortion because the fetus had no brain.  Would you want her to go to term so she could watch it die?  Or maybe you think you can live without a brain...

    And what about the day after pill that prevents a fertilized egg from developing?  Want to stop that?  In the case of rape?

    And who are you to make these decisions for other people?  Wat makes you so special?
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 4:53 PM EST

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    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : Abortion may be a necessary thing, Please tell me why ! I like info.
    Posted by chiefhowie


    Let's say there is no heartbeat. (happened to me).  Let's say you're 20 year's old and it'll mess up your life forever, you'll live in poverty, and the kid will become a criminal.  I'd actually prefer you abort the kid in that case.

    Freakanomics did a piece about the drop in crime being due to the legalization of abortion. Makes sense to me.

    It's still killing.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 4:58 PM EST

    If you are against abortions then don't have one.

    God gave people the ability to make choices.  Keeping abortions legal gives people the same choice that God gave them.  If abortion is a sin, then that's between the person having the abortion and God. 

    As long as abortions are legal, they should be covered by insurance.

    You want to stop abortions?  Then get the people who are having abortions to change their behavior.  If you ask the people who had an abortion and wished they hadn't, I bet the vast majority would have wished they'd use some type of birth control.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 4:58 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism:
    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : Chief: Newsflash. Your views are not controlling on this issue.  There is a huge difference of opinion as to whether a fertilized egg is a human.  Would you want every miscarriage investigated as a potential homicide?  Talk about big government...  And thanks for considering me human enough to try to save me from impending harm... "even" with my different opinions.  Very big of you.
    Posted by Reubenhop

    I take it your not female, I'm sure they know when the baby is there.
     miscarriage investigated ? That's what doctors do, they report  them if needed.
     I know I'm crazy, I love my fellow man.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 5:04 PM EST

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    If you are against abortions then don't have one. Posted by DirtyWaterLover


    Reducing the issue to a cute phrase just doesn't provide the gravitus needed when talking about killing a human life form.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 5:13 PM EST

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    If you are against abortions then don't have one. God gave people the ability to make choices.  Keeping abortions legal gives people the same choice that God gave them.  If abortion is a sin, then that's between the person having the abortion and God.  As long as abortions are legal, they should be covered by insurance. You want to stop abortions?  Then get the people who are having abortions to change their behavior.  If you ask the people who had an abortion and wished they hadn't, I bet the vast majority would have wished they'd use some type of birth control.
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover


    I think you mean responsibility.
    I think you missed the child's rights, Has nothing to do with your GODS. Why not let them whack infants to say 23 months, that's the earliest memory I can recall. What info I can find about 70% wished later in life they hadn't. Only 10% felt they did the right thing excluding prostitutes.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 5:21 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism:
    In Response to Re: Health care bill is it Socialism : Let's say there is no heartbeat. (happened to me).  Let's say you're 20 year's old and it'll mess up your life forever, you'll live in poverty, and the kid will become a criminal.  I'd actually prefer you abort the kid in that case. Freakanomics did a piece about the drop in crime being due to the legalization of abortion. Makes sense to me. It's still killing.
    Posted by 7x4

    People are going to China to get kids. I know a young female, who  went to a birth care house and she said 10 yrs later it was the best decision she made. selected the the adoptive parents.  1000's  here in Mass waiting to adopt.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 7:57 PM EST

    no man, has the 'right' to tell a women what she can or cannot do with her body. federal funding for abortions is something entirely different and i'd argue if your oppsed to that, than you should be opposed to any governmental action that results in death.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 8:17 PM EST

    interesting quote from a regular joe shmoe somwhere overseas:

    "I'm not the biggest supporter of Obama, but seriously, he's not a (expletive deleted) communist, get it in your (expletive deleted) inbred skulls. Socialized health care has nothing to do with replacing the capitalist market with collective farms, it means that if you cut off your hands or if you get a tumor you can go to the hospital and not pay a (expletive deleted) cent. That means instead of healthcare favoring the rich, a man working 2 part time jobs making $12 and hour can get some goddamn penicillin if their kid gets pneumonia. If Americans can't get off their moral high horse and see that "socialized" healthcare is a step forward and too self centered to paid an extra 2-3% of their taxes to fund the implementation of universal healthcare, you guys are pathetic."
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 8:40 PM EST

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    interesting quote from a regular joe shmoe somwhere overseas: "I'm not the biggest supporter of Obama, but seriously, he's not a (expletive deleted) communist, get it in your (expletive deleted) inbred skulls. Socialized health care has nothing to do with replacing the capitalist market with collective farms, it means that if you cut off your hands or if you get a tumor you can go to the hospital and not pay a (expletive deleted) cent. That means instead of healthcare favoring the rich, a man working 2 part time jobs making $12 and hour can get some goddamn penicillin if their kid gets pneumonia. If Americans can't get off their moral high horse and see that "socialized" healthcare is a step forward and too self centered to paid an extra 2-3% of their taxes to fund the implementation of universal healthcare, you guys are pathetic."
    Posted by scauma82


    I worked 52 hr  work weeks, hr wages, for 31 yrs after 26 navy, some reserve duty. I asked no one for anything. I like America the way it is. I don't think anyone should pay taxes, IRS is as bad as GITMO, "sales tax" u use u pay. You just want to live in MAMA's house. Go to Cuba health care is free. I'm against government action that results in the death of a child.
     

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    Re: Health care bill is it Socialism

    posted at 12/7/2009 8:50 PM EST

    i'm not saying i agree wwith joe shmoe, but i do think a person's position on healthcare comes down to whether or not they think its a moral issue, or a personal one. if you believe that you are your brothers keeper, than you'd probably support healthcare reform.