Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich.

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    Re: Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich.

    In Response to Re: Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich.:
    [QUOTE]Pelosi...NOT ALLOWING 2000 page bill to be posted online for 72 hours before the vote.  She promised she would.  Obama promised he would. Where's the transparency??  Where's the debate??  Where's the hope and change???  I thought the Dems were going to be better than the Republicans at this, not worse. WHY WON'T YOU LET US KNOW WHAT IS IN THE FINAL BILL NANCY???  What are you afraid of??? If it's good for us...we won't be upset...we will thank you. 
    Posted by macnh1[/QUOTE]


    THEY DON'T WANT US TO KNOW.....JUST RAM THE DAMN THING THROUGH. IT DON'T MATTER IF IT IS AN INEFFECTIVE, BUDGET-BREAKING, FULL OF PORK AND LOOPHOLES (TO LET THIER REAL INITIATIVES THROUGH ...illegal aliens, pay for abortion etc...) AND JUST A BAD BILL.  IT IS ALL ABOUT CONTROL OF POWER WITH THEM.

    That's all the Democrats care about.
     
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    Re: Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich.

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    [QUOTE]I can guess about your age, you must be on Medicare, and the only insurance policy that you ahve the ability to change is the supplemental. 70yrs,  I had 3 ins policy's ,drop  one (AARP). So you think congress is going to do a better job than you, like medicare. My doctor bills medicare (congress) as a last resort or he would be out of Practice. There needs to be reforms but not all this stuff. This is worst than IRS. In this bill you will still have to buy insurance. How is this going to change ins company's cost, just look at MA. I worked at wholesale house, they gave better coverage in other states ? also whose paying for my medicare,YOU. Whose profiting Pharmaceuticals. This bill will be forever changing, depending on who's in power. I just "hope" your right for my kids sake.You can bet Congress want be in it, They don't even pay their taxes.
    Posted by chiefhowie[/QUOTE]

    Again chiefhowie, you have it backwards. Your doctor bills Medicare for all that Medicare covers, because your supplemental insurance will NOT cover it anything that Medicare will cover.  That is why your supplemental insurance costs so little.  How else do you explain an insurance policy for a 70 year old costing less than a 30 year old's policy.

    And, I am glad that you are thinking about your kids (mine too). If this thing keeps going up the way it is, your kids and mine have no chance of affording insurance when they need it, specially if they are unlucky to come down with a major illness.  For you on medicare, whatever they pass, you will be OK. Nobody is going to touch Medicare benefits (and rightfully so).

    I know I am right because I can measure what we do and what what cost vs. other industrialized countries. Our system overall costs us 2-3 times more than ANY other industrialized country, and yet, they have better results (they live LONGER and HEALTHIER than us).  How can anybody explain this?

    I don't think this is a panacea, by the way. This is nothing but a step in the right direction. We must also institute cost controls.  The biggest cost driving factor is fee-for-service.  I was shocked when looking at an analysis of 2 similar sized towns in TX, with same demographics, and same health profile and life expectancy.  Yet cost per person was 70% higher in one of them vs. the other. The only difference between the 2 was a prevalence of private fee-for-service in one vs. a heavy reliance on managed care in the other.  That tells me that in the one that has 70% higher cost, we are giving practitioners  an incentive to game the system by loading up on unnecessary procedures.  It is also logical.  You cannot setup a system that is based on self-serving, and not expect people to take advantage of it.
     
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    Re: Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/05/AR2009110504566.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

    This article sums up how I feel about politics. 
     
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    Re: Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich.

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    [QUOTE]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091102/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/02/sources-house-health-totals-trillion/ It's sad!! No networks online sites are covering it. Not, CNN,MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC etc etc. Only fox and yahoo. Is this not news worth telling Americans?? They covered it when Pelosi and Reid were braqging about it being under a trillion!!!
    Posted by sk8ter2008[/QUOTE]

    I saw a panelist on Meet the Press this AM who said that Bush's Medicare prescription plan cost over 3 times what Obama's plan will cost.  Nobody complained when it was a pseudo-conservative doing it, but now Obama is being called a socialist for doing only a fraction of what Bush did.

    I don't follow this issue enough to make a comment, but none of the panelists argued about his facts and figures.
     
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    Re: Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich. : I saw a panelist on Meet the Press this AM who said that Bush's Medicare prescription plan cost over 3 times what Obama's plan will cost.  Nobody complained when it was a pseudo-conservative doing it, but now Obama is being called a socialist for doing only a fraction of what Bush did. I don't follow this issue enough to make a comment, but none of the panelists argued about his facts and figures.
    Posted by giraffe-77[/QUOTE]

    The Medicare prescription plan is a most dishonest way to hand in taxpayer's money to drug companies.

    Whether you agree with the idea or not (I see both points), how can anybody justify making it part of the law that Medicare administration is PROHIIBITED from negotiating prices with drug companies. They basically have to pay asking price.

    This is the most appalling example of congress abdicating its fiduciary responsibility in properly safeguarding taxpayers funds. For drug companies, it is the best example of how to turn a couple of hundred million dollars in political contributions into billions of dollars.
     
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    Re: Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich.

    In Response to Re: Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich.:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich. : I saw a panelist on Meet the Press this AM who said that Bush's Medicare prescription plan cost over 3 times what Obama's plan will cost.  Nobody complained when it was a pseudo-conservative doing it, but now Obama is being called a socialist for doing only a fraction of what Bush did. I don't follow this issue enough to make a comment, but none of the panelists argued about his facts and figures.
    Posted by giraffe-77[/QUOTE]


    And Bush's plan was wrong as well.   Thanks for acknowleging his is a RINO. 
     
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    Re: Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich.

    Lets see the price has gone from about 860 million to 1.2 trillion in about 4 months and we have not passed it into law yet.  My over under for what this will really cost 10 years out if passed is 2.1 trillion.  And ofcouse worse health care for all.
     
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    Re: Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich.

    In Response to Re: Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich.:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich. : I saw a panelist on Meet the Press this AM who said that Bush's Medicare prescription plan cost over 3 times what Obama's plan will cost.  Nobody complained when it was a pseudo-conservative doing it, but now Obama is being called a socialist for doing only a fraction of what Bush did. I don't follow this issue enough to make a comment, but none of the panelists argued about his facts and figures.
    Posted by giraffe-77[/QUOTE]

    I believe people did complain about the costs.
     
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    Re: Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich.

    In Response to Re: Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich.:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Heathcare bill cost back to 1.2 TRILLION wow,it's like a rancid pork sandwich. : I believe people did complain about the costs.
    Posted by hawkeye01[/QUOTE]

    The prescription drug plan was 400 bil over several years (still people complained including me) but, it was still only a third of what this will cost and our economy was growing at that time and unemployment was at 5.4%!
     
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