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HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from 12-Angry-Men. Show 12-Angry-Men's posts

    HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

    Senate signals they will also pass the measure.

    The HoR did attach a caveat that should be popular with all voters; No Budget, No Pay for both chambers of Congress.

     

    A measure to suspend the nation's legal limit on borrowing for nearly four months cleared a key vote in the House Wednesday, as Republicans broadly endorsed a new tactic that would temporarily remove the threat of a potentially calamitous government default from their ongoing fight with Democrats over government spending.

    The measure, which would set aside the legal debt ceiling and allow the government to borrow as needed to meet spending obligations through May 18, was adopted on a 285 to 144 vote.

    Just before the vote, Democratic leaders in the Senate said they would accept the House measure without changes and a Senate vote is expected as soon as next week. And the White House, too, has said President Obama will not stand in the way of the bill.

    The GOP's measure would impose a new requirement on Congress, key to winning support from a broad range of their own members: Both chambers of Congress must adopt a budget by April 15, as required by law, or have their congressional pay withheld until the start of the new Congress in 2015.

     "All we're saying is Congress: follow the law. Do your work. Budget," said Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the party's former vice presidential candidate, explaining the measure on the floor.

    "We owe our constituents more than that. We owe them solutions. And when both parties put their solutions on the table, then we can have a good ... debate about how we fix the problem," he said.

    Republicans have in recent days rallied around the slogan, "No Budget, No Pay," an effort to shift attention to the Senate's failure to adopt a budget in nearly four years. They hope their new pressure campaign could help reverse public opinion about who is to blame for gridlock over spending.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hold-house-votes-to-suspend-debt-limit/2013/01/23/58f2013c-6574-11e2-85f5-a8a9228e55e7_story.html

     
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    Re: HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

    "They hope their new pressure campaign could help reverse public opinion about who is to blame for gridlock over spending."

    Dont expect any help with that from the Obama-poodle Washington Post....anyway, the state-run media needs a few more weeks to stop blubbering over the "Gettysburg Address-like" Inaugural Speech  delivered by their Messiah......

     
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    Re: HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    "They hope their new pressure campaign could help reverse public opinion about who is to blame for gridlock over spending."

    Dont expect any help with that from the Obama-poodle Washington Post....anyway, the state-run media needs a few more weeks to stop blubbering over the "Gettysburg Address-like" Inaugural Speech  delivered by their Messiah......




    Heh, heh, heh...still clinging to your persecution complex I see.

    Yep, it's all one big conspiracy.... in the most free-market segment of society, the media and freedom of speech.

    Funny how you wingnuts get your panties in a bunch when someone, anyone, exercises their 1st Amend rights, only because you don't like what they're saying.

     

     
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    Re: HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

    Very popular in deed.

     

    The HoR did attach a caveat that should be popular with all voters; No Budget, No Pay for both chambers of Congress.

     
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    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

    Very popular in deed.

     

    The HoR did attach a caveat that should be popular with all voters; No Budget, No Pay for both chambers of Congress.




    The wingnuts finally got one right. Cheers.

     
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    Re: HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

    In response to 12-Angry-Men's comment:

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

    "They hope their new pressure campaign could help reverse public opinion about who is to blame for gridlock over spending."

    Dont expect any help with that from the Obama-poodle Washington Post....anyway, the state-run media needs a few more weeks to stop blubbering over the "Gettysburg Address-like" Inaugural Speech  delivered by their Messiah......

     




    Heh, heh, heh...still clinging to your persecution complex I see.

     

    Yep, it's all one big conspiracy.... in the most free-market segment of society, the media and freedom of speech.

    Funny how you wingnuts get your panties in a bunch when someone, anyone, exercises their 1st Amend rights, only because you don't like what they're saying.

     



    Um, which radical wingnuts are proposing to repeal the First Amendment, to muzzle their opposition? Why, it's Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats, calling  free speech "corporate speech"...

     
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    Re: HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

    Doesnt the bil say if the house and senate do not pass a budget for 2013 all congressional pay stops until they do?

    I say hear hear great job HoR!

     
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    Re: HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    Um, which radical wingnuts are proposing to repeal the First Amendment, to muzzle their opposition? Why, it's Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats, calling  free speech "corporate speech"...




    Hmmm...

    When was the last time you stood in line next to corporation waiting to cast a vote?

    When was the last time a corporation was picked for jury duty?

    When was the last time a corporation volunteered for duty in Afghanistan or signed up for selective service?

    Funny how the wingnuts like to bestow selective rights onto an entity, which is wholly created through law, while absolving these same 'people' from any civic duties incumbent on an actual citizen.

     
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    Re: HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

    In response to 12-Angry-Men's comment:

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

    "They hope their new pressure campaign could help reverse public opinion about who is to blame for gridlock over spending."

    Dont expect any help with that from the Obama-poodle Washington Post....anyway, the state-run media needs a few more weeks to stop blubbering over the "Gettysburg Address-like" Inaugural Speech  delivered by their Messiah......

     




    Heh, heh, heh...still clinging to your persecution complex I see.

     

    Yep, it's all one big conspiracy.... in the most free-market segment of society, the media and freedom of speech.

    Funny how you wingnuts get your panties in a bunch when someone, anyone, exercises their 1st Amend rights, only because you don't like what they're saying.

     



    Change the credit card to an unlimited spending limit.  What could possibly go wrong?

     
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    Re: HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

    In response to 12-Angry-Men's comment:

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    Um, which radical wingnuts are proposing to repeal the First Amendment, to muzzle their opposition? Why, it's Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats, calling  free speech "corporate speech"...

     




    Hmmm...

    When was the last time you stood in line next to corporation waiting to cast a vote?

    When was the last time a corporation was picked for jury duty?

    When was the last time a corporation volunteered for duty in Afghanistan or signed up for selective service?

    Funny how the wingnuts like to bestow selective rights onto an entity, which is wholly created through law, while absolving these same 'people' from any civic duties incumbent on an actual citizen.




    I see you don't understand the concept of free speech.

     

    BTW: I vote at corporations all the time, shareholder meetings, but I don't wait in line. 

     
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    Re: HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

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    calling  free speech "corporate speech"..



    To borrow a line from your "strict constructionist" psychophants, show me where the constitution says that corporations are people.

     



    The constitution is NOT the sole source of US law.  I could start rifling the US Code, but this was quicker:

    Significant U.S. Court Cases in the Evolution of Corporate Personhood / Commercial Free Speech
    1. Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward (1819) - Corporate charters are ruled to have constitutional protection.
    2. Munn v. State of Illinois (1876) - Property cannot be used to unduly expropriate wealth from a community (later reversed).
    3. Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad (1886) - The substance of this case (a tax dispute) is of little significance, but this fateful case subsequently was cited as precedent for granting corporations constitutional rights. Several articles linked above detail how this happened.
    4. Noble v. Union River Logging Railroad Company (1893) - A corporation first successfully claims Bill of Rights protection (5th Amendment)
    5. Lochner v. New York (1905) - States cannot interfere with “private contracts” between workers and corporation — marks the ascension of “substantive due process” (later mitigated after President Roosevelt threatend to add Justices to the Court).
    6. Liggett v. Lee (1933) - Chain store taxes prohibited as violation of corporations’ “due process” rights.
    7. Ross v. Bernhard (1970) - 7th Amendment right (jury trial) granted to corporations.
    8. U.S. v. Martin Linen Supply (1976) - A corporation successfully claims 5th Amendment protection against double jeopardy.
    9. Marshall v. Barlow (1978) - The Court creates 4th Amendment protection for corporations — federal inspectors must obtain a search warrant for a safety inspection on corporate property.
    10. First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti (1978) - Struck down a Massachusetts law that banned corporate spending to influence state ballot initiatives, even spending by corporate political action committees. Spending money to influence politics is now a corporate “right.” Justice Rehnquist’s dissent is a recommended read. Related articles: Ballot Initiatives Hijacked / Behind the Powell Memo
    11. Central Hudson Gas v. Public Service Comm. of NY (1980) - This oft-cited decision concerns a state ban on ads promoting electricity consumption.
    12. Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce (1990) - Upheld limits on corporate spending in elections.
    13. Thompson v. Western States Medical Center (2002)
    14. Nike v Kasky (2002) - Nike claims California cannot require factual accuracy of the corporation in its PR campaigns. California’s Supreme Court disagreed. The U.S. Supreme Court took up the case on appeal, then issued a non-ruling in 2003. See our comprehensive archive on this case.
    15. Randall v Sorrell (2006) While this case dealt with the legality of Vermont’s contribution limits, not corporations directly, it carried important implications for corporate political influence, as Daniel Greenwood detailed in our amicus brief to the U.S. Supreme Court.
    16. Citizens United v Federal Election Commission (2010). In a 5-4 ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court overrules Austin and a century of federal legislative precedent to proclaim broad electioneering rights for corporations.
    17. Western Tradition Partnership, Inc. v. Attorney General of Montana The U.S. Supreme Court overruled Montana’s Supreme Court ruling, which had upheld a challenge to the state’s century-old ban on corporate electioneering.

     

     
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    Re: HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

    Significant U.S. Court Cases

     


    Typically, you completely missed the point in your rush to zap me. I said:

    "To borrow a line from your "strict constructionist" psychophants,"

     

     

     

    re: O'Donnell and "where does it say separation of church and state?"....    




    You really have a problem mate.  There was no "zap" other than in your dark paranoia.  They make drugs for that.  I wish you well.

     
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    You really have a problem mate.  There was no "zap" other than in your dark paranoia.  They make drugs for that.  I wish you well.





    hehe

     
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    Re: HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

    Doesnt the bil say if the house and senate do not pass a budget for 2013 all congressional pay stops until they do?

    I say hear hear great job HoR!

     
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    Re: HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

    Ain't it funny that when wingnuts want to challenge a law, such as ACA, they whine about activist judges who don't adhere to the whacko wingnut 'strict constructionist' view of the Constitution.

    When that view is used against their argument, they get amnesia and suddenly can't remember any such thing as 'strict constructionism'. "Say what?"

    Gotta love that double standard.

    Heck of a way to try and argue a point.... run like the dickens when their hypocrisy is pointed out. 

     
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    Re: HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

     

    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

    Significant U.S. Court Cases

     


    Typically, you completely missed the point in your rush to zap me. I said:

    "To borrow a line from your "strict constructionist" psychophants,"

     

     

     

    re: O'Donnell and "where does it say separation of church and state?"....    

     



    Gregin cites supreme court cases, you cite a letter.

     

     
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    Re: HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

    In response to 12-Angry-Men's comment:

    Ain't it funny that when wingnuts want to challenge a law, such as ACA, they whine about activist judges who don't adhere to the whacko wingnut 'strict constructionist' view of the Constitution.

    When that view is used against their argument, they get amnesia and suddenly can't remember any such thing as 'strict constructionism'. "Say what?"

    Gotta love that double standard.

    Heck of a way to try and argue a point.... run like the dickens when their hypocrisy is pointed out. 



    What on Earth are you talking about? 

     
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    Re: HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

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    "They hope their new pressure campaign could help reverse public opinion about who is to blame for gridlock over spending."

    Dont expect any help with that from the Obama-poodle Washington Post....anyway, the state-run media needs a few more weeks to stop blubbering over the "Gettysburg Address-like" Inaugural Speech  delivered by their Messiah......

     




    Heh, heh, heh...still clinging to your persecution complex I see.

     

    Yep, it's all one big conspiracy.... in the most free-market segment of society, the media and freedom of speech.

    Funny how you wingnuts get your panties in a bunch when someone, anyone, exercises their 1st Amend rights, only because you don't like what they're saying.

     



    Is anyone suppressing the 1st amendment here?  I didn't know disagreeing with someone meant you were suppressing their 1st amendment rights.

     
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    Is anyone suppressing the 1st amendment here?  I didn't know disagreeing with someone meant you were suppressing their 1st amendment rights.




    Consider the source and dont waste your time.

     
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    Is anyone suppressing the 1st amendment here?  I didn't know disagreeing with someone meant you were suppressing their 1st amendment rights.




    Consider the source and dont waste your time.

     
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    Re: HoR suspends debt ceiling til May.

    Obama/Reid/Boehner are the biggest threat to our nation in it's history.  The national debt they continue to ignore and add to at record speed will devestate our country.

    It's inevitable...our economy will collapse and it will make the Great Depression look like a vacation.

    $16.5 trillion and growing....and nobody has the courage in Washington to change the course, instead they insist on making it worse.

     

     
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