House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It

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    House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It

    With the real rate of unemployment at over 17.5% and over 15 million Americans unemployed and 11 million Americans underemployed, the Democrats have decided to push for amnesty for illegal immigrants so that they can permanently take jobs from Americans. And this will also open the door so that millions of their low skilled, poorly educated relatives can come as well via chain migration. This is economic madness and needs to be stopped. Contact your representatives and tell them NO!

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    You see an illegal alien who uses our resources, commits crimes, has no education and takes away jobs.  Dems see voters!!!!  Lot's of voters!!!!
     
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       GREAT POST..... AS THE "BIG O", PELOSI, REID, AND THE CHICAGO WAY GANG  "TRANSFORMS "  AMERICA !!!!!!
     
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    You see an illegal alien who uses our resources, commits crimes, has no education and takes away jobs.  Dems see voters!!!!  Lot's of voters!!!!
    Posted by macnh1


    What did Reagan see when he signed Immigration reform that ultimately granted amnesty to 3 million illegals? 

    What did Bush see when pushed for the 2007 immigration reform that would have granted amnesty to 4 or 5 times the numbers that were fast tracked to citizenship under the aforementioned Reagan plan?

    They saw voters and the GOP has for a long time spent a lot of time and effort in wooing the hispanic vote.  So lets not pretend that the sky is green when the GOP has introduced and passed immigration reform (including amnesty).
     
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    In Response to Re: House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It : What did Reagan see when he signed Immigration reform that ultimately granted amnesty to 3 million illegals?  What did Bush see when pushed for the 2007 immigration reform that would have granted amnesty to 4 or 5 times the numbers that were fast tracked to citizenship under the aforementioned Reagan plan? They saw voters and the GOP has for a long time spent a lot of time and effort in wooing the hispanic vote.  So lets not pretend that the sky is green when the GOP has introduced and passed immigration reform (including amnesty).
    Posted by DamainAllen


    Reagan was dumb and saw the fence and strong border presence to stop any additional illegal immigration that Ted Kennedy told him he would get through Congress. Once Reagan signed the amnesty bill Kennedy refused to fight to fund the fence and his part of the bargain. That was part of his "trust but verify" that he forgot.

    Bush was a neo-con. Enough said.

     
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    Bush did absolutely nothing about illegal immigration for the eight years he was in office.  Neither party has ever really done much, so it's kind of stupid to try to blame just the democrats.

    But when people yell to send them all back, they never, ever, say how we are going to send back an estimated 13 million people - how we will pay for it, how we will find them all, where will the money come from to deport them, and unless we get serious about the border, why bother??  It's never going to happen.

    We should start seriously guarding the border and stop making it such a joke - but there is no way we are sending back millions of people - politicians who say we will are just pandering - I would like to hear one of them state seriously how they are going to do it.
     
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    Bush did absolutely nothing about illegal immigration for the eight years he was in office.  Neither party has ever really done much, so it's kind of stupid to try to blame just the democrats. But when people yell to send them all back, they never, ever, say how we are going to send back an estimated 13 million people - how we will pay for it, how we will find them all, where will the money come from to deport them, and unless we get serious about the border, why bother??  It's never going to happen. We should start seriously guarding the border and stop making it such a joke - but there is no way we are sending back millions of people - politicians who say we will are just pandering - I would like to hear one of them state seriously how they are going to do it.
    Posted by aynrand3


    "But when people yell to send them all back, they never, ever, say how we are going to send back an estimated 13 million people - "

    No one says we have to send them all back at once. The issue is we are too PC in this country. Everyone is so quick to cry racism that people are afraid to do anything about illegal immigrants. Even though it's not racist to actually enforce the laws.
    All we have to do is just send them back as we catch them. On top of that we should heavily fine businesses that use illegals. That will get them to think twice about using them again. Why is it other countries have no problems with illegals? Or at least as big a problem as we do? Those countries actually enforce their laws. We don't.
     
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    Bush did absolutely nothing about illegal immigration for the eight years he was in office.  Neither party has ever really done much, so it's kind of stupid to try to blame just the democrats. But when people yell to send them all back, they never, ever, say how we are going to send back an estimated 13 million people - how we will pay for it, how we will find them all, where will the money come from to deport them, and unless we get serious about the border, why bother??  It's never going to happen. We should start seriously guarding the border and stop making it such a joke - but there is no way we are sending back millions of people - politicians who say we will are just pandering - I would like to hear one of them state seriously how they are going to do it.
    Posted by aynrand3


    I agree it is both parties at fault. I disagree that it cannot be done. I agree it is a waste of time if we don't shutdown the border.

    We can make it so bad and impossible for the illegals to live here that they will have to go home. 3 easy and humane steps...

    1. Eliminate the anchor baby statute.
    2. Fine any company caught hiring an illegal 1 year of their GROSS profits and 5 years mandatory prison for the CEO, CFO and other C level or equivalent manager. No assistance (i.e. welfare etc.) for anyone that is NOT a citizens of the US.
    3. Offer assistance of a bus ticket or plane ticket (one way) to their home land.
     
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    Bush did absolutely nothing about illegal immigration for the eight years he was in office.  Neither party has ever really done much, so it's kind of stupid to try to blame just the democrats. But when people yell to send them all back, they never, ever, say how we are going to send back an estimated 13 million people - how we will pay for it, how we will find them all, where will the money come from to deport them, and unless we get serious about the border, why bother??  It's never going to happen. We should start seriously guarding the border and stop making it such a joke - but there is no way we are sending back millions of people - politicians who say we will are just pandering - I would like to hear one of them state seriously how they are going to do it.
    Posted by aynrand3


    OMG, you are such a horrid person, you continue to spew the liberal agenda like you've been brainwashed.

    Blame Bush, 1st defense, secondly admit defeat, throw your hands in the air....

    "Can't be fixed, no one has any answers, might as well let them all stay"  

    Have a Merry Christmas, I doubt you still let your kids say that at your house you miserable turd! 
     
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    In Response to Re: House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It : Reagan was dumb and saw the fence and strong border presence to stop any additional illegal immigration that Ted Kennedy told him he would get through Congress. Once Reagan signed the amnesty bill Kennedy refused to fight to fund the fence and his part of the bargain. That was part of his "trust but verify" that he forgot. Bush was a neo-con. Enough said.
    Posted by brat13


    The 2007 version was crafted in large part thanks to Senators Kennedy, McCain and Kyl, Senator Lindsay Graham, with input from President GWB.    In addition McCain cosponsored a bill in 2005 that became part of the 2007 initiative along with pieces of another 2005 bill brought to the Senate by republicans John Cornyn and John Kyl.  Arlen Specter introduced an immigration reform bill in 2006 (still a republican at the time) and that bill actually PASSED in the Senate (62-36 with 21 GOP yes votes) and was cosponsored by GOP senators Brownback, Graham, McCain, Hagel, and Martinez.

    So if Reagan was stupid and Bush was a Neocon then what is the reason for some significant GOP support for Immigration reform that we have seen in this decade alone? 
     
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    In Response to Re: House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It:
    In Response to Re: House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It : What did Reagan see when he signed Immigration reform that ultimately granted amnesty to 3 million illegals?  What did Bush see when pushed for the 2007 immigration reform that would have granted amnesty to 4 or 5 times the numbers that were fast tracked to citizenship under the aforementioned Reagan plan? They saw voters and the GOP has for a long time spent a lot of time and effort in wooing the hispanic vote.  So lets not pretend that the sky is green when the GOP has introduced and passed immigration reform (including amnesty).
    Posted by DamainAllen


    Reagan and Bush were wrong.  Illegal is illegal.  Amnesty makes a bad problem worse.  It rewards bad behavior and punishes those who abide by the law.
     
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    In Response to Re: House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It : Reagan and Bush were wrong.  Illegal is illegal.  Amnesty makes a bad problem worse.  It rewards bad behavior and punishes those who abide by the law.
    Posted by macnh1


    It would appear that many senior GOP senators disagree with you. 

    Which begs the question of why you in particular took the opportunity to frame this as liberals hunting for votes, when it is clear that the GOP has been doing exactly that for years...particularly in this decade where they hoped to capitalize on Bush's performance with hispanics in 2000 and 2004 national elections. 
     
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    I am an educated legal resident and can see all the sides of this issue. I came legally to US but noticed that the US embassies in developing countries makes so hard for unskilled people to come and work even temporarily. This is the fundamental reason why people come to US illegaly.
    I support immigration reform that could give a real opportunity for the undocumented here and changes the policy on how select unskilled people to come to work and go back.
    It is not common sense to deport 13 million people. They are helping the economy and 70% or more pay taxes. Yes many use fake SS#, but also they never got back any benefits out of the money they give away to SSA. There are billion and billions of dollars accumulated in the SSA account from "nowhere".
    Also, instead to pay a one way ticket to those to go back, we should legalize them so they could all go back home and improve the US economy buying millions and millions of plane tickets. I'll bet you that the first thing they will do is to go back home to see their loved ones. Think about it!

     
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    In Response to Re: House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It : Reagan compromised with the dems and it didn't work.  Bush was wrong and I said so. Okey dokey?
    Posted by GreginMeffa


    Yes, yes you and others have explained away the bill Reagan signed, written off the GWB attempt in 2007 to pass basically the same legislation all while ignoring the meat the matter.  To put a fine point on it, senior leaders in the GOP, senators no less, have lead the charge to address immigration 3 times in the 2000's. 

    The right will, predictably try to change course and portray this latest bill (which is unlikely to go anywhere in the near future) as yet more Chicago corruption or whatever other nonsense the GOP messaging machine will put out to address this, and the tea baggers will take to the streets to march and cry they are being tread on, Obama will be called roughly the same things he is being called now (except maybe louder) and the entire GOP will hope no one will remember their attempts at wooing the latino vote by introducing legislation that in every iteration would have provided a path to citizenship for many of the illegals already in country. 

    Precedent is important in matters of law and legislation and the GOP has laid that groundwork so stop being apologists and recognize that there are many the GOP leadership, who supported past legislation AND voted 'YES' for the Specter bill in 2006 who are still in office, and don't share the conventional wisdom of the base that immigration reform that grants citizenship is a bad idea. 

    Immigration reform will be as painful for the GOP (if not more) as the current health care debate is for Dems if this bill picks up steam in 2010. 
     
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    In Response to Re: House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It : It would appear that many senior GOP senators disagree with you.  Which begs the question of why you in particular took the opportunity to frame this as liberals hunting for votes, when it is clear that the GOP has been doing exactly that for years...particularly in this decade where they hoped to capitalize on Bush's performance with hispanics in 2000 and 2004 national elections. 
    Posted by DamainAllen


    You would have to agree with me that an uneducated, unskilled illegal who shows up and instantly gets welfare, free healthcare housing and a free car in MA is more likely to vote dem than vote for a conservative who insists on upholding the law and minimizing government dependence.

    Not all republicans are conservatives.  There are plenty of Republicnas who are terrible with criminaliens.
     
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    In Response to Re: House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It : You would have to agree with me that an uneducated, unskilled illegal who shows up and instantly gets welfare, free healthcare housing and a free car in MA is more likely to vote dem than vote for a conservative who insists on upholding the law and minimizing government dependence. Not all republicans are conservatives.  There are plenty of Republicnas who are terrible with criminaliens.
    Posted by macnh1


    Get this:  Not all illegals are unskilled, welfare seeking, criminals.  That characterization is precisely why the GOP big tent is beginnng to resemble a pup tent largely revelant only in the South.  Hispanics, unsurpisingly, take issue with being lumped together as border jumping, disease spreading (thanks jay Severin), criminals.  And for good reason, most aren't. 
     
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    In Response to Re: House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It : Get this:  Not all illegals are unskilled, welfare seeking, criminals.  That characterization is precisely why the GOP big tent is beginnng to resemble a pup tent largely revelant only in the South.  Hispanics, unsurpisingly, take issue with being lumped together as border jumping, disease spreading (thanks jay Severin), criminals.  And for good reason, most aren't. 
    Posted by DamainAllen


    Why is Phoenix experiencing an average 1 kidnapping per day???  Have you been to Texas lately???  They would disagree with your assessment.  No not all illegal immigrants are unskilled welfare seeking bums but all illegals are definitely ILLEGAL.  Wait in line and do it right.  We can't reward illegal behavior.

    If your two year old is acting out at the grocery store you don't give them a chocolate bar to keep them quiet.  Instead, warn them once and remove them from the situation.  Next time they will behave and their siblings watching will get the message too.

    It's human nature.  By the way, nice job picking up on the Severin reference.  He's been talking Tiger lately, very boring.  Do you know my fictitious friend Mitch Rapp??
     
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    In Response to Re: House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It:
    In Response to Re: House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It : Get this:  Not all illegals are unskilled, welfare seeking, criminals.  That characterization is precisely why the GOP big tent is beginnng to resemble a pup tent largely revelant only in the South.  Hispanics, unsurpisingly, take issue with being lumped together as border jumping, disease spreading (thanks jay Severin), criminals.  And for good reason, most aren't. 
    Posted by DamainAllen


    What kinds of jobs are majority of illegals doing?
     
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    In Response to Re: House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It : Why is Phoenix experiencing an average 1 kidnapping per day???  Have you been to Texas lately???  They would disagree with your assessment.  No not all illegal immigrants are unskilled welfare seeking bums but all illegals are definitely ILLEGAL.  Wait in line and do it right.  We can't reward illegal behavior. If your two year old is acting out at the grocery store you don't give them a chocolate bar to keep them quiet.  Instead, warn them once and remove them from the situation.  Next time they will behave and their siblings watching will get the message too. It's human nature.  By the way, nice job picking up on the Severin reference.  He's been talking Tiger lately, very boring.  Do you know my fictitious friend Mitch Rapp??
    Posted by macnh1


    Then please propose how to reform immigration with a plan that doesn't grant a path to citizenship, and then describe how we as a nation deal with the illegals in country.  No give them a bus/plane ticket home nonsense, a real plan for how we forcefully deport anywhere from 12 to 20 million people to various countries because we aren't just talking about Mexicans. 
     
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    In Response to Re: House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It : What kinds of jobs are majority of illegals doing?
    Posted by hawkeye01


    Majority doesn't mean "all" so let me just go on ahead and stop you there, your question is moot.  
     
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    In Response to Re: House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It : Majority doesn't mean "all" so let me just go on ahead and stop you there, your question is moot.  
    Posted by DamainAllen


    I know what I asked you. It isn't moot. You just have no argument. No worries. Thanks!
     
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    In Response to Re: House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It:
    In Response to Re: House introducing Amnesty Bill for Illegal Immigrants - Time to Fight It : You would have to agree with me that an uneducated, unskilled illegal who shows up and instantly gets welfare, free healthcare housing and a free car in MA is more likely to vote dem than vote for a conservative who insists on upholding the law and minimizing government dependence. Not all republicans are conservatives.  There are plenty of Republicnas who are terrible with criminaliens.
    Posted by macnh1


    MYTH: The nation spends billions of dollars on welfare for undocumented immigrants.

    FACTS: To the contrary, undocumented immigrants are not eligible to receive any "welfare" benefits and even legal immigrants are severely restricted in the benefits they can receive.

    As the Congressional Research Service (the investigative arm of Congress) points out in a 2007 report, undocumented immigrants, who comprise nearly one-third of all immigrants in the country, are not eligible to receive public "welfare" benefits -- ever.

    Legal permanent residents (LPRs) must pay into the Social Security and Medicare systems for approximately 10 years
    before they are eligible to receive benefits when they retire. In most cases, LPRs can not receive SSI, which is available only to U.S. citizens, and are not eligible for means-tested public benefits until 5 years after receiving their green cards.


     
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