How Badly Did Obama Step in It With His Sequestration Mistake?

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    How Badly Did Obama Step in It With His Sequestration Mistake?

    I think it is pretty clear that Obama has failed to convince anyone that his proposed cuts were a legitimate attempt to act responsibly.  The big question is, does his bounce back, or is this a sign of things to come?

     
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    Do you think this works against the Dems?  I see one of two things happening - either

    1) This drags out for the next 18 months, and the if the economy is still dragging, Republicans get a larger share of the blame

    or

    2) Moderate Republicans agree to closing tax loopholes, and get primaried by nutcases in 2014

    Either way, it works out well politically for Obama.  

     
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    Do you think this works against the Dems?  I see one of two things happening - either

    1) This drags out for the next 18 months, and the if the economy is still dragging, Republicans get a larger share of the blame

    or

    2) Moderate Republicans agree to closing tax loopholes, and get primaried by nutcases in 2014

    Either way, it works out well politically for Obama.  



    But poorly for the country

     
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    Do you think this works against the Dems?  I see one of two things happening - either

    1) This drags out for the next 18 months, and the if the economy is still dragging, Republicans get a larger share of the blame

    or

    2) Moderate Republicans agree to closing tax loopholes, and get primaried by nutcases in 2014

    Either way, it works out well politically for Obama.  

     



    But poorly for the country

     




    From where I sit, Republicans have done nothing but damage the county for the past 30 years.  They have zero interest in the health of the country, the economy and future generations.  Just get them out of the way so the adults can govern.

     

     
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    Hear Hear, solmag

     
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    I think it is interesting how the left feels it is the Republicans who have damaged the country over the last thrity years.  this is widening the scope significantly beyond the Obama years, but OK, let's roll with it.

    The left is horribly stuck in blaming the past for future perfromance, kinda like the disclaimer on a finance commercial. 

    I don't think the republicans are any sort of prize, but to say the problems of the last oh, 70 -80 years are republican problems is simply historically wrong-headed.  To say the republicans have been completely ineffective in putting forth a conservative agenda over that time, spot on.

    Over that same period of time, democrats have shifted more and more capital into the hands of government, causing two problems:  making it almost impossible for someone to live their life fairly independent (economically) of the government, and stunting the ability of capital to grow.  This is why we have 1% growth and the left shruggs. they don't see the connection.  that 1% in a free market, a true free market would be 7% or more, creating enormous amounts of jobs, and feeding the poor so much more effectively than any collection of government programs.

    This is also why sequestration seems like such a bad problem:  people are not used to being responsible for themselves.  Government is responsible for individuals, but the price is a dead economy.

     
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    Obama decided he had received a mandate at 51%; not even close but his ego and advisers convinced him.  He set out to divide and conquer which worked well as a campaign strategy, but doesn't work as a leadership model.  Once again a problem that goes back to his roots as community activist and not an executive leader.

    Obama won the election because of a superior get out the vote organization working against an inept organization lead by a principled executive.  Romney failed to assemble the right team and proved he's not a good community activist, but he is a proven executive leader; unfortunately due to his team's errors and some knucklehead congressmen the GOP took to many hits this cycle.

    Obama is now having to backtrack on the doomsday scenario and his credability is sinking on the economic issues.  Based on a poll I read yesterday, Obama's popularity has dropped to 47% and the Sequester blame game is more like all of the above with the GOP getting 28% blame and Dems 22%.

    His only soundbite is fairness, but what is the unfairest cut of them all is the inability to get the economy out of the finger pointing quagmire that Obama has created.  if Obama was a leader he would have pushed for solutions first and not a blame game.

    If Romney had won he would have worked using his proven skill set to avoid the sequester mess and we'd be working on a concensus plan to move the country forward.  Romney was able to govern in Mass; he could have governed in DC.

    One last point; much was bandied about concerning Obama's Star Trek - Star Wars Jedi mind meld comment.  Well if you're a normal 50 year old guy who's very bright you wouldn't mix those things up.  It's another attribute about Obama that makes him different and unlike us.  It's like he missed out on the American experience from age 5 to 30, which keeps him from connecting to a lot of people.

     

     
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    Regardless, the people at-large will continue to blame congress for not getting things done.  This is the uncomfortable truth for everyone involved.  The only real question is who will be held responsible at the ballot box.

     

     

     
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    From where I sit, Republicans have done nothing but damage the county for the past 30 years.  They have zero interest in the health of the country, the economy and future generations.  Just get them out of the way so the adults can govern.

     

     



    If the Repubs spent the last 30 years damaging the country then what the hell were the Dems doing during the same time? Why did they just sit idly by while the Repubs damaged the country? Why didn't the Dems act like "adults and govern"???????

     



    Maybe, just maybe, there is a middle ground between these views.  Maybe...

     
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    Regardless, the people at-large will continue to blame congress for not getting things done.  This is the uncomfortable truth for everyone involved.  The only real question is who will be held responsible at the ballot box.

     

     



    Well, they should.  

    However, it should not stop them from blaming the executive branch as well.

     
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    Regardless, the people at-large will continue to blame congress for not getting things done.  This is the uncomfortable truth for everyone involved.  The only real question is who will be held responsible at the ballot box.

     

     



    I think you can't blame Congress for a vote they take - if that vote doesn't represent the interests of their constituents, then that congressman will be voted out of office.  You can blame congress for blocking votes - which is what the Republicans in the Senate have done for the past four years.  They've blocked jobs bills, they've blocked health care for first responders of 9/11, they've blocked bills that cut taxes, they've blocked bills that reduce the deficit, they've blocked bills that have GOP support in the house, and they've even blocked their own bills.

     

     
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    From where I sit, Republicans have done nothing but damage the county for the past 30 years.  They have zero interest in the health of the country, the economy and future generations.  Just get them out of the way so the adults can govern.

     

     



    If the Repubs spent the last 30 years damaging the country then what the hell were the Dems doing during the same time? Why did they just sit idly by while the Repubs damaged the country? Why didn't the Dems act like "adults and govern"???????

     

     



    Maybe, just maybe, there is a middle ground between these views.  Maybe...

     



    Not an honest middle ground.  You can take just about any issue facing the country, but let's look at debts and deficts since that's what the Republicans are railing against right now.  If you take every penny of discretionary spending that Dems are responsible for, where does it stack up against the cost of two wars, the Bush tax cuts and TARP?  Even with the Obama stimulus (necessary due to the failures of the previous administration, but we'll leave that to another argument) stacked up on the Dem side, we're talking about 10 - 15 to 1 spending on the Republican side over the last decade.  Then they have the balls to use the debt ceiling as a negotiating ploy?  How is this defensible?  How is this both parties equally at fault? 

     
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    From where I sit, Republicans have done nothing but damage the county for the past 30 years.  They have zero interest in the health of the country, the economy and future generations.  Just get them out of the way so the adults can govern.

     

     



    If the Repubs spent the last 30 years damaging the country then what the hell were the Dems doing during the same time? Why did they just sit idly by while the Repubs damaged the country? Why didn't the Dems act like "adults and govern"???????

     

     



    Maybe, just maybe, there is a middle ground between these views.  Maybe...

     

     



    Talk to slomag....he brought it up...

     



    The comment is for all to see.  

    And let's not pretend that such extremist views don't belong on both sides of the left/right divide.

     
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    From where I sit, Republicans have done nothing but damage the county for the past 30 years.  They have zero interest in the health of the country, the economy and future generations.  Just get them out of the way so the adults can govern.

     

     



    If the Repubs spent the last 30 years damaging the country then what the hell were the Dems doing during the same time? Why did they just sit idly by while the Repubs damaged the country? Why didn't the Dems act like "adults and govern"???????

     




    Sticking with debts & deficits, the Dems voted against the Bush tax cuts.  In fact, the reason the tax cuts were set to expire was because they did not have enough votes to actually pass a legitimate tax cut, so they used a loop-hole that allowed temporary cuts that sunset after the maximum 10 years.  Of course, 10 years later, when 1% of those cuts are allowed to expire, they scream that it's the biggest tax hike in 20 years.

    Regarding the wars, yes many Dems authorized the use of military force, but does this play out the same way with a Dem Commander in Chief?  Forget the competence factor for a moment - just recognize that this is the first time in history we not only did not raise taxes at a time of war, but we actually lowered them.  Ask yourself - does that play out the same way with Dems or independents in control?

     

     
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    From where I sit, Republicans have done nothing but damage the county for the past 30 years.  They have zero interest in the health of the country, the economy and future generations.  Just get them out of the way so the adults can govern.

     

     



    If the Repubs spent the last 30 years damaging the country then what the hell were the Dems doing during the same time? Why did they just sit idly by while the Repubs damaged the country? Why didn't the Dems act like "adults and govern"???????

     

     



    Maybe, just maybe, there is a middle ground between these views.  Maybe...

     

     



    Talk to slomag....he brought it up...

     

     



    The comment is for all to see.  

     

    And let's not pretend that such extremist views don't belong on both sides of the left/right divide.

     



    Just because it's extreme, doesn't mean it's not true.  You're a reasonable person - how much of the deficits over the past 30 years to you put at the feet of the Republicans?  

     

    Let's stipulate that both sides have failed to address mandatory spending that was in place prior to 1980 to keep up with population growth, longer lives, the baby boom, etc.

    So since 1980 ( I pick that year because I feel like that was the start of our irresponsible behavior, and the era of living from one bubble to the next), what do you see as the contributing factors to our debt & deficit?  Who do you blame, and to what extent?

     
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    Do you think this works against the Dems?  I see one of two things happening - either

    1) This drags out for the next 18 months, and the if the economy is still dragging, Republicans get a larger share of the blame

    or

    2) Moderate Republicans agree to closing tax loopholes, and get primaried by nutcases in 2014

    Either way, it works out well politically for Obama.  

     



    But poorly for the country

     

     




     

    From where I sit, Republicans have done nothing but damage the county for the past 30 years.  They have zero interest in the health of the country, the economy and future generations.  Just get them out of the way so the adults can govern.

     

     




    Not until we kill all the children, starve the old and ruin the planet.

     

    Moo hoo ha ha ha




    That's a funny comment, but you look at the face and voices of Conservatism today, and it's not hard that hard to see.  Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh & Charles Krauthammer could be Dick Tracey villains, if not for their lack of charisma.

     

     

     
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    Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh & Charles Krauthammer could be Dick Tracey villains, if not for their lack of charisma.

     

    It's sad that your perspective is so mind-numbingly warped that you probably actually believe that.

     

     
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    Try to stay in THIS conversation please. Slomag got the ball rolling....I merely pointed out that to blame only the Repub in the last 30 years is total bullsh!t

     

    That's what extremists do.

     

     
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