Re: How do you rationalize torture of Iraqis
posted at 11/23/2010 1:00 PM EST
Did you know that FBI agents are waterboarded as part of their training?
Posted by StalkingButler
1. That doesn't mean it wasn't "horrible"; maybe they're just bad*sses.
2. It's voluntary.
3. They are not being held for the rest of their lives in a secret prison.
4. Do you think the government is more or less agressive in that training? Do you think the government is more or less likely to worry if the agent dies.
5. The FBI? You mean the CIA and Army -- SERE you know? I suppose it doesn't matter to you that what they do is different than what is done at Gitmo.
However, according to a declassified Justice Department memo attempting to justify torture which references a still-classified report of the CIA Inspector General on the CIA's use of waterboarding, among other "enhanced" interrogation techniques, the CIA applied waterboarding to detainees "in a different manner" than the technique used in SERE training:
The difference was in the manner in which the detainees' breathing was obstructed. At the SERE school and in the DoJ opinion, the subject's airflow is disrupted by the firm application of a damp cloth over the air passages; the interrogator applies a small amount of water to the cloth in a controlled manner. By contrast, the Agency interrogator ... applied large volumes of water to a cloth that covered the detainee's mouth and nose. One of the psychiatrist / interrogators acknowledged that the Agency's use of the technique is different from that used in SERE training because it is 'for real' and is more poignant and convincing.
According to the DOJ memo, the IG Report observed that the CIA's Office of Medical Services (OMS) stated that "the experience of the SERE psychologist / interrogators on the waterboard was probably misrepresented at the time, as the SERE waterboard experience is so different from the subsequent Agency usage as to make it almost irrelevant" and that "[c]onsequently, according to OMS, there was no a priori reason to believe that applying the waterboard with the frequency and intensity with which it was used by the psychologist/interrogators was either efficacious or medically safehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding#cite_note-9
Oh wait, the links is to wikipedia. So it and the sources it cites must clearly be lying liberals. Quick! Put your head in the sand!
Did you know that the Japanese officer to which you refer engaged in torture practices that were far worse than what we refer to today as waterboarding?
Posted by StalkingButler
And that makes the aterboarding A-OK? Murder is really bad, so we shouldn't punish robbery - oops; a stupid argument.
No one who has been waterboarded comes out and says it wasn't horrible.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding#cite_note-9
Oh, but that's wikipedia, so it and all the sources it cites must all be lying liberals. That's a nice way to avoid information you don't like. After all, cowardly conservatives who advocate torture from behind a computer obviously know best.