How is that socialism working for ya?

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    How is that socialism working for ya?

    How is that socialism working for ya?

    "Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money"
    Margaret Thatcher
     
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    Last night on MSNBC Chris Matthews figured out what 47% of america did 2 years ago, in that Obama is not really a true leader he is not ready and is in way way over his head.

    The thing that is really starting to worry me is that Obama seems to be lot of Jimmy Carter and and GW Bush mixed together not a good thing for america.\

    I only hope that come Nov. america is smart enough to toss out the dems, and we can hold on until 2013 and find a true leader.
     
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    I had dinner a few nights ago with two friends who voted for Obama.  I asked them how they feel about him now.  They said "We had no idea he was nuts."

    I feel that November will 2010 and 2012 will be a diaster for socialists worldwide.  In the mean time, Democrats will continue to loot the Treasury in the name of their failed religion: Socialism.
     
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    It all depends on how you define "socialism".   Government involvement in the economy?  Well, that has been going on pretty much from the get go: check out the historical fights over tariff policies.  "Too much" government involvement in the economy?  Well, then that is a question of interpretation.  Government take over of the economy?  That is an absurd nightmare fantasy by unthinking conservative zealots.  Where do you guys fit in?
     
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    If BP had obeyed government standards, we would't be in this mess.  Palms got greased and now the world is getting greased.  It takes a combination of free enterprize and gov't to function successfully.
     
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    We can pretty much thank GW Bush for giving us Obama and the current crop of marxists in Congress.  He did a lot of damage to the credibility of Conservatives, but thankfully its nowhere near the magnitude of damage that Obama is doing to the liberal movement.

    We'll survive Obama, just like we survived Carter.
     
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    [QUOTE]It all depends on how you define "socialism".   Government involvement in the economy?  Well, that has been going on pretty much from the get go: check out the historical fights over tariff policies.  "Too much" government involvement in the economy?  Well, then that is a question of interpretation.  Government take over of the economy?  That is an absurd nightmare fantasy by unthinking conservative zealots.  Where do you guys fit in?
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]

    Rubernhop:  There you go again.  the definition of socialism is government controlling what is now private enterprise for the benefit of the people.

    Socialism has no respect for private property or ownership, RE: General Motors, the Health care plan, and, the pending take over of everyone's 401K plans.  Yes, two Obama  cabinet departments have asked for comments on a proposed government take over of the PRIVATE retirement system. 

    In a non-socialist envirnment, the call for comments wouold never happen.

     
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    [QUOTE]If BP had obeyed government standards, we would't be in this mess.  Palms got greased and now the world is getting greased.  It takes a combination of free enterprize and gov't to function successfully.
    Posted by wraughn[/QUOTE]

    ...And it appears the palm that was greased the most was Obama's.  BP contributed @ $1M to him prior to the spill.
     
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    That is correct... BP gave Obama more bribes than any other energy company.

    BP was also one of Obama's core cap-and-tax partners.

    BP is like Goldman Sachs... putting up with the dog and pony show by day... close friends of Obama at night.


     
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    [QUOTE]It all depends on how you define "socialism".   Government involvement in the economy?  Well, that has been going on pretty much from the get go: check out the historical fights over tariff policies.  "Too much" government involvement in the economy?  Well, then that is a question of interpretation.  Government take over of the economy?  That is an absurd nightmare fantasy by unthinking conservative zealots.  Where do you guys fit in?
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]

    The Democrat's course since January 2007 will guarantee the collapse of America through socialism (over spending).

    I would call that "too much" socialism.  You still applaud the insanity.
     
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    [QUOTE]It all depends on how you define "socialism".   Government involvement in the economy?  Well, that has been going on pretty much from the get go: check out the historical fights over tariff policies.  "Too much" government involvement in the economy?  Well, then that is a question of interpretation.  Government take over of the economy?  That is an absurd nightmare fantasy by unthinking conservative zealots.  Where do you guys fit in?
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]

    Reuben:  Let's get away from the definitions for a minute.  Question:  do you think people should be free to choose within the economy, be responsible for themselves, own private property, and be safe from government encroachment into their private lives?

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: How is that socialism working for ya? : Rubernhop:  There you go again.  the definition of socialism is government controlling what is now private enterprise for the benefit of the people. Socialism has no respect for private property or ownership, RE: General Motors, the Health care plan, and, the pending take over of everyone's 401K plans.  Yes, two Obama  cabinet departments have asked for comments on a proposed government take over of the PRIVATE retirement system.  In a non-socialist envirnment, the call for comments wouold never happen.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    You are mixed up.  There are many self described socialist countries in Europe and none have a government controlled economy.  Indeed, only Communist nations have had such a thing and they are fading away (Cuba, N. Korea...). And political rights have nothing to do with the economics of socialism.  Those socialist countries in Europe are all liberal democracies.   You need to get out more.
     
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    I voted for Obama, and I regret it.

    If the election was held today Obama would lose, badly. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: How is that socialism working for ya? : Reuben:  Let's get away from the definitions for a minute.  Question:  do you think people should be free to choose within the economy, be responsible for themselves, own private property, and be safe from government encroachment into their private lives?
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    The answer for the most part is yes.  But no one save a few radical libertarians believes that the government should not regulate the abuses inherent in the profit driven capitalist system so as to protect the people it serves.  And most believe that the government is there to insure that those that cannot take care of themselves have some assistance.  Personal responsibility is a great concept until you need a cop, a teacher, a doctor... and you cannot provide one on your own.  
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: How is that socialism working for ya? : You are mixed up.  There are many self described socialist countries in Europe and none have a government controlled economy.  Indeed, only Communist nations have had such a thing and they are fading away (Cuba, N. Korea...). And political rights have nothing to do with the economics of socialism.  Those socialist countries in Europe are all liberal democracies.   You need to get out more.
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]

    Name one.

    I'm not talking about political rights, I'm talking about economic rights.  For example, do I have the right to enter into an employment agreement with any company I choose, without government interfenrence?  Obama and Obama's pay czar don't think so.  This is an elimination of an economic right.

     
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    [QUOTE]I voted for Obama, and I regret it. If the election was held today Obama would lose, badly. 
    Posted by whatnow3[/QUOTE]
    A. no you didnt, stop trying to pander that lie around here
    B. no he wouldnt...mccain and palin are no more viable today than they were in november of 08
    C. why do you idiots insist on obama failing? does it make you feel good? do you even want what is best of this country? because i read your and your ilk's posting and it seems you want democrats to fail, republicans to win and for the country to go back to the 1950's...is that really what you want? do you also believe in fairy tales like jesus and santa and the easter bunny? seriously...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: How is that socialism working for ya? : The answer for the most part is yes.  But no one save a few radical libertarians believes that the government should not regulate the abuses inherent in the profit driven capitalist system so as to protect the people it serves.  And most believe that the government is there to insure that those that cannot take care of themselves have some assistance.  Personal responsibility is a great concept until you need a cop, a teacher, a doctor... and you cannot provide one on your own.  
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]

    follow up question:  Do you think we are heading more towards socialism, or more towards capitalism?

    BTW:  It seems you are confusing politicial systems and economic systems.  Socialism is an economic system.
     
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    Those bad old German Socialist tried it and it failed, then we had the Russians who tried it and it failed, but the problem was neither of those former socialist utopias had the Barking Obama to lead them to failure. Now, let's be progressive and repeat those same mistakes.  Go figure.

    One of BO's biggest problem is that he remains a moral relativist. He lacks the wisdom to understand that certain cultures and belief systems are inherently superior to others. For him, like most American and international leftists the horrors inflicted by the evils of Western Civilization on the less developed parts of the world justify the purposeful diminishment of those that are perceived to have benefitted most. In the name of fairness he seeks to drag everyone into a muddled middle where distinctions of natural ability and drive do not interfere with an equality of outcome. Where a select technocratic elite plans the details of the inevitable utopia that is sure to follow with the right government intervention into the lives of all those little people too stupid to know what is good for them and their society. Small wonder that he despises the United States and every other nation that builds its future on the power of individual drive and its commensurate economic system of capitalism. The good news is that his radicalism has been rejected by the majority of Americans and even our smitten European friends in some corners can finally grasp what this bitter, vindictive, and hateful little man is all about.
     
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    [QUOTE]Those bad old German Socialist tried it and it failed, then we had the Russians who tried it and it failed, but the problem was neither of those former socialist utopias had the Barking Obama to lead them to failure. Now, let's be progressive and repeat those same mistakes.  Go figure. One of BO's biggest problem is that he remains a moral relativist. He lacks the wisdom to understand that certain cultures and belief systems are inherently superior to others. For him, like most American and international leftists the horrors inflicted by the evils of Western Civilization on the less developed parts of the world justify the purposeful diminishment of those that are perceived to have benefitted most. In the name of fairness he seeks to drag everyone into a muddled middle where distinctions of natural ability and drive do not interfere with an equality of outcome. Where a select technocratic elite plans the details of the inevitable utopia that is sure to follow with the right government intervention into the lives of all those little people too stupid to know what is good for them and their society. Small wonder that he despises the United States and every other nation that builds its future on the power of individual drive and its commensurate economic system of capitalism. The good news is that his radicalism has been rejected by the majority of Americans and even our smitten European friends in some corners can finally grasp what this bitter, vindictive, and hateful little man is all about.
    Posted by Goright[/QUOTE]
    well that was a convoluted way of saying you think the man is evil

    you are wrong and you use jargon that im sure you dont even understand...try again...comrade
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: How is that socialism working for ya? : Rubernhop:  There you go again.  the definition of socialism is government controlling what is now private enterprise for the benefit of the people.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    For a conservative ostensibly in support of orginal intent in constitutional interpretation.... I would expect you to apply the same principle to other interpretive issues.

    Marx defined socialism as government OWNED means of production.

    He argued the next step was communism or worker OWNED means of production.


    "Government controlled" is too broad, unless you think that things like controlling employers by regulating child labor, etc, are evil socialist machinations.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: How is that socialism working for ya? : well that was a convoluted way of saying you think the man is evil you are wrong and you use jargon that im sure you dont even understand...try again...comrade
    Posted by Jimmy42Jack0[/QUOTE]

    Jimmy:  the truth is an absolute defense.  Obama is evil.  I am sure you, Obama, and others don't see it that way, but, he seeks to enslave us, madate everything in our lives as coming from the government.  sure, he thinks it is for our own good, but it makes him evil.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: How is that socialism working for ya? : For a conservative ostensibly in support of orginal intent in constitutional interpretation.... I would expect you to apply the same principle to other interpretive issues. Marx defined socialism as government OWNED means of production. He argued the next step was communism or worker OWNED means of production . "Government controlled" is too broad, unless you think that things like controlling employers by regulating child labor, etc, are evil socialist machinations.
    Posted by WhatIsItNow[/QUOTE]


    Whatisitnow: Control is effectively ownership.  You are arguing who's name is on the door, while ignoring who is calling the shots in the bakc room.

    When the government can dictate what you can purchase for health care, that is effective ownership.  When the government can take ownership of GM form private individuals and hand it over to the unions, that, other than being theft, is effectively ownership.  When the government funds a "too big to fail" company, that is effective ownership.


     

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