How stupid is Obama?? Answer within.

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    When you get intel from the enemy.. the LAST (and utterly STUPIDEST) thing you can do is tell the enemy that he's singing. No doubt the ENEMY has already taken corrective action losing any advantage we might have gained. 

    The big question is WHY did Obama decide to advertise this. Possibly many reasons but the obvious one is so HE can look good.. even at the risk of jeopardizing the nations security. Another is difuse the OTHER POOR DECISION of affording him rights as a US citizen.  
     

    WASHINGTON —  The Nigerian man accused of trying to use a bomb hidden in his underwear to bring down a Detroit-bound airliner on Christmas has been cooperating with investigators since last week and has provided fresh intelligence in multiple terrorism investigations, officials said Tuesday.

    The FBI's interrogation of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab has drawn fire from lawmakers who contend the Obama administration botched the case by giving Abdulmutallab the right to remain silent, rather than interrogating him as a military prisoner.


     
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    Liberals have no idea of how to defend a nation.
     
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         If I remember correctly 9/11 happened under GW Bush's watch...... correct me if I'm wrong
     
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    Are you mad because we got information the way most law enforcement officials get their information using reliable interrogation techniques? Or are you mad because we didn't send him to Gitmo without any rights or representation, where he could be waterboarded into giving unreliable information just to make it stop, and then released back to his home country, where he could run stright to the local chapter of al Qaeda, where he could plot the next big attack on American soil? You know, just like we used to in the previous administration?

    Seriously, the GOP hasd been utterly moronic on this issue.  Want to know how I know this?  Because when Richard Reid was captured after trying to down an airplane he was mirandized 3 times in two days.  Given a trial in civilian court and ultimately sentenced to life in prison.  Were you morons crowing about how wrong the approach was then or were you bathing in the warmth of all the "safety" Papa Bush and Grandpan Chaney had bestowed upon you? 
     
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    Kelldog.

    You nailed it. Republicans have short/selective memories.

    Of course republicans know how to defend a nation! they went and attacked the wrong country after OBL's little crew of misfits took the blame.

    And he's still running around!
     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from 1984-Redux. Show 1984-Redux's posts

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    Generalizations about previous administrations do not apply to specific poor decisions by this one.
     
    Damian,
    If you might speak to this bonehead move. I'd like to hear what you think.
     
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    The absurd, unintelligent thread title notwithstanding:

    Richard Reid, the infamous shoe-bomber, was mirandized 4 separate times when he was apprehended and provided actionable intelligence to authorities.  He was convicted and sentenced in a civilian court of law.

    Since the beginning of the "war on terror", less than 5 "terrorists" have been convicted by military tribunals.  Meanwhile, over 100 have been convicted and sentenced by civilian courts.

    The military is good at strategizing and fighting battles, but their record proves that they are not very good at prosecuting criminals.  That's what the courts are for.

    In the unlikely event the Obama Admin. leaked this information, they may have done it just to prove how full of s$%^ the opposition (like banshee Liz Cheney) is and how, so far, they have improved upon the job of their predecessors....
     
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    Steve Benen says it better than I:

    "I know this reality is all terribly inconvenient for Republicans. Facts just keep getting in the way of a perfectly misleading narrative. But at this point, the GOP and its allies have a choice. Either they can explain why they were entirely silent when Bush handled the Reid case the same way Obama has handled the Abdulmutallab incident, or they can shut up and accept the fact that they've been acting like shameless, transparent, dishonest hacks. I'm especially interested in hearing Liz Cheney trash her own father's administration for the way it handled the case of an attempted terrorist attack. Go ahead, Liz, we're all ears."

     
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    Generalizations about previous administrations do not apply to specific poor decisions by this one.
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    Oh what selective memories the wingnuts have!

    The 9/11 attack is a generalization? How quaint.
    History says it was the single biggest terrorist attack on US soil and it was done on the wingnuts watch.

    Of course the two wars the wingnuts started and are still going on makes that issue relevant today. Try and tell the families of soldiers who are still fighting and dying today that their sacrifice is a 'generalization'. That would be the two wars the wingnuts couldn't finish.

    I guess all that talk by the wingnuts about not only who we interrogated but how we interrogated them was just idle conversation.
     
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    Guess you approve if not applaud the Obama decision above and that you don't think it impacted national security OR was executed for political purposes.

    Damn.. come out and say it. Stop with the wishy washy BS

    Matty, 
    Your points are duly noted and worthy yet (again) not relevant to this specific political move.  

    12,
    Reading is fundamental. I never said 9/11 was a generalization. 
    Bush did have the smarts and integrity not to publicize terrorist plot in the US that were PREVENTED. After this publicity stunt I don't hold much hope that Obama would ever do the same. It's ALL about him.  
     
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    "The military is good at strategizing and fighting battles, but their record proves that they are not very good at prosecuting criminals.  That's what the courts are for."

    These are NOT criminals, they are enemy combatants.
    It matters little that these dirtbags are in jail. It matters a lot that they give us useful intelligence to prevent future attacks.

    Richard Reid should have been tried in a military tribunal as well...it was a mistake, it happened just a few months after 9/11...we have learned a lot since then, though liberals never learn.


     
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    Not exactly kelldog, it was planned under Bill Clinton.
     
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    Bush did have the smarts and integrity not to publicize terrorist plot in the US that were PREVENTED.
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    Are you for real? You can't really mean that.

    'Former President George W. Bush on Thursday repeated Dick Cheney's assertion that the administration's enhanced interrogation program, which included controversial techniques such as waterboarding, was legal and garnered valuable information that prevented terrorist attacks.'

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    By Bill Van Auken
    5 March 2005

    President George W. Bush swore in his new Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff March 3, bragging about his administration having “busted up terrorist cells around the globe,” while warning that “Al Qaeda still hopes to attack us on our own soil.” He sought to dramatize his remarks by sharing a dubious piece of intelligence that had Osama bin Laden urging Abu Musab al-Zarqawi—blamed by Washington for many terrorist attacks in Iraq—to plan actions in other countries, including the US.

     

    Frances Fragos Townsend, the top White House adviser on terrorism, said one paragraph in nine pages of "key judgments" from the intelligence community discusses how "the war in Iraq is being used by extremists to spread the global extremist message,"...According to officials familiar with the classified report interviewed by The Washington Post over the weekend, the study found that rather than contributing to eventual victory in the international counterterrorism struggle, the war in Iraq has worsened the U.S. position. Many experts on terrorism regard that finding as unexceptional -- indeed the CIA predicted it before the Iraq invasion -- but it runs counter to the argument presented by the president and his senior advisers.

     
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    Not exactly kelldog, it was planned under Bill Clinton.
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    That's hillarious! Let's fire up the 'Thought Machine' and find out who's planning an attack. The Thought Machine' is next to the raygun and behind the time machine.

    So if another attack occurs I'm sure ya'll be shouting it was planned under Bush administration.

    That's the most foolish 'defense' I've heard so far, original but ridiculous.
     
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    And where did you say you got your military strategy degree? When you face the enemy (who we beat in Afghanistan or at least chased them into Pakistan it is easier to get them to fight on terrain more friendly to your capabilities than the enemies. Besides, the last thing you need is to have other enemies at your back and at your back you had both Iran and Iraq under Hussein. That is not to mention the very real possibility that Iraq was working on a nuclear option or at the least WMD. Strange how fast Baathist Syria was building a secret nuclear reactor after the fall of Iraq and strange how much yellowcake was being stored for ostensibly no reason.   
     
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    Guess you approve if not applaud the Obama decision above and that you don't think it impacted national security OR was executed for political purposes.
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    I do approve of the tactics used by this admin. to fight terrorism. It's apparent it's working as your post clearly states, 'has been cooperating with investigators since last week and has provided fresh intelligence in multiple terrorism investigations,'

    I take it you disapprove of success in the war on terror purely on ideological grounds. How partisan of you, politics before America's safety.
     
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    Richard Reid, the infamous shoe-bomber, was mirandized 4 separate times when he was apprehended and provided actionable intelligence to authorities.  He was convicted and sentenced in a civilian court of law.

    And what pray tell didn't we find out? You interrogate prisoners of war to gain the maximum intelligence and you don't allow your intelligence to fall into the hands of the enemy. How many Germans or Japanese were turned over to a civil court during WW2? And why would you want to spend a fortune of money to provide a stage for the propaganda of the terrorists? And why, just why would you endanger American citizens by making a court house in a crowded city a prime target for a suicide bomber?
     
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    And where did you say you got your military strategy degree? When you face the enemy (who we beat in Afghanistan or at least chased them into Pakistan it is easier to get them to fight on terrain more friendly to your capabilities than the enemies. Besides, the last thing you need is to have other enemies at your back and at your back you had both Iran and Iraq under Hussein. That is not to mention the very real possibility that Iraq was working on a nuclear option or at the least WMD. Strange how fast Baathist Syria was building a secret nuclear reactor after the fall of Iraq and strange how much yellowcake was being stored for ostensibly no reason.
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    And where did you get your military strategy degree?
    Since when is chasing an enemy off the battlefield and into hiding to attack another day considered a success? How is Pakistan more friendly terrain when we can't bring the fight to the enemy because of Pakistan sovereignty?
    At the time of the Afghan war we were not at war with Saddam so your 'enemy at your back scenario' is wrong. When we invaded Iraq before we had won in Afghanistan is when we put our forces between two enemies. That is definitely not the way to wage war.
    One of the truths of warfare is not to divide your forces unless you are sure to gain an advantage. What advantage did we gain by splitting forces between Afghanistan and Iraq?
     
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    "That's hillarious! Let's fire up the 'Thought Machine' and find out who's planning an attack. The Thought Machine' is next to the raygun and behind the time machine."


    Right because bin Laden wasn't known at all and it wasn't known that he was organizing to attack us. Incidents like World Trade Center bombing, USS Cole, Embassy strikes, etc., etc. It wasn't at all known he wanted to strike us here. Nope not at all. No idea whatsoever. Nope. 
     
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    binLaden wasn't involved in World Trade Center bombings.
    As far as USS Cole bombing.
    'Evidence of al-Qaeda's involvement was inconclusive for months after the attack.
    Then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice told the Commission that when the administration took office on 20 January 2001, "We knew that there was speculation that the 2000 Cole attack was al Qaeda... We received, I think, on 25 January the same assessment [of al-Qaeda responsibility]. It was preliminary. It was not clear."
    Newsweek reported that on the following day, "six days after Bush took office," the FBI "believed they had clear evidence tying the bombers to Al Qaeda."[23] The Washington Post reported that, on 9 February, Vice President Dick Cheney was briefed on bin Laden's responsibility "without hedge."[24]
    According to Dr. Rice, the decision not to respond militarily to the Cole bombing was President Bush's. "

    As for the embassy bombings they were linked to bin Laden:
    The embassy bombings were linked to the jihad (bin Laden) but his whereabouts were not known... The attacks, linked to local members of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad brought Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri to American attention for the first time,
     
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         Letting the enemy know that we have itell and know they are planning to attack us does three things:  1) It disrupts the enemies element of surprise (possibly stopping said attack)

                                 2) It causes the enemy to wonder what other intelligence we have and possibly triggers them to communicate thus exposing their whereabouts

                             
                                 3) Signals to law enforcement to be on high alert and sends a message to the citizenry not to be complacent and report anything suspicious


     
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    Pityful is a better word.  Obama want's to "show" that he's getting results hoping for a pat on the back like "good job."  Problem is, that is self-centered.  What he should have done is say nothing, let the intelligence people gather the information and hopefully thwart the other attacks that this terrorist indicted are coming.


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    Angry - do you believe everything you read? Yes I know bin Laden wasn't personally responsible for the World Trade Center bombing Yousef was. Yousef who had ties with AQ. My point is that for years bin Laden and AQ were on the radar. So there was no crystal ball needed to know bin Laden et al were looking to escalate things here. 
     
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    I don't deny your post Hawkeye. But to go from 'being on the radar' to knowing they would attack in the US is a stretch. All of bin Laden's activity up until the security briefs of 2001, was aimed at overseas targets. To make the leap that someone should have known he was planning an attack here is a bit much.
     

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