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tvoter wasn't outraged at congress persons and staff getting health care before Obamacare. Odd that.
I'm sure it was just an innocent coincidence, see as how "bipartisan" and above-it-all he is.
lol everything is not partisan politics!
These people who make on average 70k and some as much as 180k.
Were told to go be like everyone else and enter the exchanges (right thing to do)
They then realize it will cost more and they dont qualify for the subsidies just like private citizens in the same circumstance. So they whine and BAM their given more taxpayer money that private TAXPAYER in the same bracket cannot get!!
That's fair how??
I agree Congress and staff are overpaid for sitting on their a55es, but I don't see why you want ACA to give them a pay cut. And you're angry if it doesn't.
The net is that the people are getting a pay cut, except those in Congress and their staff. Those being thrown out of their health care into the exchanges (Home Depot, UPS, etc.) are getting the goose egg, generally, but in a few cases they are getting a one time payment, like 500 bucks.
I went through this math when we were debating the ACA a couple of years ago, as to how this will work:
The government is taxing health care plans if they are good (cadillac plans) and penalizing if they are nonexistent. This puts the companies into a box where some or all of their workers will be sent into the exchanges, some will offer some money, but most will just say good riddance. Those that remain in company plans will have less than stellar plans, by definition.
What this means is that some number, I suspect a large number, is losing a piece of compensation (n the form of health cae insurance) valued at another large number, let's say $12,000. Your paycheck doesn't go down, but now you need to buy health care for your family, WITH POST TAX DOLLARS. So, if you had a cadillac plan, you now need to EARN @ $18,000 to replace the loss of your health insurance, valued at $12,000.
In this example, Obamacvare has created a $28,000 negative swing in that families finances.
Now, "mileage might vary". Some companies will fork over money, fund insurance in otherways, close the gap. But, it is far from certain, and seeing that you all beat up on big business as being heartless and evil, I doubt you think they will bridge the gap as well.
So, there you have it. The true cost of Obamacare to those who already have insurance, a very big number.
Home Depot and Trader Joe's are shifting their part-time workers to exchanges. They aren't obligated to insure these workers under the ACA. UPS is dropping coverage for working spouses.
Can you find even one example of a full-time worker with a cadillac plan losing his coverage and receiving no compensation. Other than Congress, that is, if the GOP has its way.
"..if the GOP has it's way". Showing your partisan strips again. It is all the politicians.
And, WHO CARES what is legal or not legal under the ACA?" the ACA apparently is whatever Obama says it is, so I don't even think you can say what is legal or not. Have you notice how items are either delayed becausethey will impact people (hece elections ) negatively, or things like coverage choices are made up out of thin air?
I particularly like how you are completely avoiding the cost to the average middle class family by this supposed golden law. Look, it is simple: Rich people don't care, they will simply open up their wallets to pay for health care. Poor people will get something for free. and the middle class will take it right up the chute to pay for the whole mess, and get nothing out of it.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the penalties have not kicked in for Cadillac plans. I think it kicks in in 2018. So, no, I can't show you someone who lost their healhtcaredue to an event four years out. But, it will happen. It is simple math, and like other things in Obamacare, it is intended to drive people out of private health insurance. In this case, the goverment puts a 40% tax on top of policies over $10,200. That is going to force any company with such plans to drop these workers. Wouldn't you agree?
Consider unions. They have Cadillac plans that are at risk, and have be squawking about it lately.
Government's lack of legitimacy on the issue of Cadillac plans:
Why should government care is I have a caddilac plan? How is it their business at all?
Is it really a function of government to tell me I have too much health care, and to penalize me if I do?
So, it makes me ONCE again point out: if this particular peice of legislation apparently doesn't effect anyone, then, why do we need it?
The left never seems to have an answer to that. Like most things the left does, the poisin seeps into the system, and then, by the time people figure it out, it is too late.