Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

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    Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

    The inside word strongly suggests that a pragmatic social moderate, right of center fiscal conservative could have won.  Just think if there was no war on women, no hardline immigration stand and you had a candidate wh didn't alienate he gen X'rs. 

    I've been away and I'm catching up on my reading, this was published the day before Thanksgiving.

     

    Jim Messina: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat

     

    Obama's campaign manager says a general election campaign against Huntsman would have been "tough"

    By Jillian Rayfield

    Jim Messina, President Obama’s campaign manager, says that he was most worried about a general election campaign against former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman.

    “We were honest about our concerns about Huntsman,” Messina said, the Salt Lake Tribune reports. “I think Huntsman [as Republican nominee] would have been a tough general election campaign.”

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    Senior Obama adviser David Plouffe had expressed such concern even before Utah’s former governor launched his failed presidential bid, with one journalist noting that a Huntsman candidacy made Plouffe a “wee bit queasy.”

    Huntsman suspended his campaign after landing third in the New Hampshire Republican primary.

    Jillian Rayfield is an Assistant News Editor for Salon, focusing on politics. Follow her on Twitter at @jillrayfield or email her at jrayfield@salon.com.

     

     
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    Re: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

    He would have to have won the GOP nomination first.

    Running that gauntlet of crazies - plus the foxnews party apparatus - might have been impossible for someone so principled and moderate as Huntsman.

     

     
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    Re: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

    Further proof that the GOP doesn't have a CLUE ........ just saying

     
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    Re: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

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    Further proof that the GOP doesn't have a CLUE ........ just saying

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    Or lefties wouldn't get a joke if it came out of their a55 on fire

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    huntsman would have lost to Obama because his mother didn't dance and his father didn't rock and roll !

     
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    Re: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

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    Not buying it. Obama was going to win no matter what after the data came out. Giving out free stuff is just too much to resist for the weak Minded voters. 

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    You have a lot of faith in democracy don't you.  Now what will you do about it...

     
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    Re: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

    During the primaries, Huntsman was criticized for calling his opponents 'unelectable'.

    Sadly, Huntsman is the unelectable one. He is far too concerned with facts and reality to make any progress in a party of fetid imbeciles. Someone should kindly inform him that he is a conservative Democrat.

     
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    Re: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

    I believe I said early in the primary season that Huntsman was the only one on the stage who could beat Obama...at the time..the right wingers poo-pooed the comments..I believe they even refered to Huntsman as a RINO.

    Actually...Huntsman was the only true conservative on the GOP primary stage...the only one. The problem that the GOP has is that their party was hijacked by extreme right wingers who wouldn't know a true conservative if they fell over one.

     
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    Re: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

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    During the primaries, Huntsman was criticized for calling his opponents 'unelectable'.

    Sadly, Huntsman is the unelectable one. He is far too concerned with facts and reality to make any progress in a party of fetid imbeciles. Someone should kindly inform him that he is a conservative Democrat.

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    We've found out that the Dem base is no tolerance for a conservative Dem, as virtually all of the Blue Dog Dems have been pushed out.

    The bases of both parties control the nomination process which is why the best candidates can't make it to the general.  The GOP just received a strong lesson on why they lost; as they lost the women vote, lost the Hispanic/Latino vote and the Gen X vote.  Romney's loss had little to do with Obama's gifts, it had to do with Romney not appealing to enough voters.

     
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    Re: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

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    During the primaries, Huntsman was criticized for calling his opponents 'unelectable'.

    Sadly, Huntsman is the unelectable one. He is far too concerned with facts and reality to make any progress in a party of fetid imbeciles. Someone should kindly inform him that he is a conservative Democrat.

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    We've found out that the Dem base is no tolerance for a conservative Dem, as virtually all of the Blue Dog Dems have been pushed out.

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    Except we just elected a conservative Democrat to a second term. 

     

     

     
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    Re: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

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    We've found out that the Dem base is no tolerance for a conservative Dem, as virtually all of the Blue Dog Dems have been pushed out.


    Many blue dog dems lost elections to Tea Partiers in the 2010 midterm, they were not pushed out.  In fact the dynamic you've described is why a guy like Huntsman has no shot with GOP voters.  Look at the GOP congressmen and senators who were primaried by people with no experience or very little experience and won all because they pledged to go to Washington and vote no on everything. 

     
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    Re: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

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    During the primaries, Huntsman was criticized for calling his opponents 'unelectable'.

    Sadly, Huntsman is the unelectable one. He is far too concerned with facts and reality to make any progress in a party of fetid imbeciles. Someone should kindly inform him that he is a conservative Democrat.

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    We've found out that the Dem base is no tolerance for a conservative Dem, as virtually all of the Blue Dog Dems have been pushed out.

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    Except we just elected a conservative Democrat to a second term. 

     

     

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    No we didn't. 

    Obama isn't the commie/socialist the right rails against but he is far left of center.  Although his foreign policy has pragmaticly ended up like Bush's.  His conection to the center ends there.  His big government solution ideas are far from conservative and well left of center.

     
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    Re: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

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    No we didn't. 

    Obama isn't the commie/socialist the right rails against but he is far left of center.  Although his foreign policy has pragmaticly ended up like Bush's.  His conection to the center ends there.  His big government solution ideas are far from conservative and well left of center.

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    President Obama is a centrist in modern terms, but the republicans have moved the center so far to the right that the center is now to the right of where Ronald Reagan was. In addition to foreign policy, I would point to:


    Obamacare is not a liberal plan, its a conservative one

    Extension of tax cuts.

    A defecit reduction plan that goes far beyond anything conservatives have offered.

    expansion of offshore drilling.

    election funding

     

     
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    Re: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

    Huntsman got beat up during the whack job primary because he had the nerve to accept a position with the Obama admin. Whack jobs!!

    Huntsman was one of many moderates who did not pass the crazy test necessary to pandor to the the FoxNews base. 

     
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    No we didn't. 

    Obama isn't the commie/socialist the right rails against but he is far left of center.  Although his foreign policy has pragmaticly ended up like Bush's.  His conection to the center ends there.  His big government solution ideas are far from conservative and well left of center.

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    President Obama is a centrist in modern terms, but the republicans have moved the center so far to the right that the center is now to the right of where Ronald Reagan was. In addition to foreign policy, I would point to:


    Obamacare is not a liberal plan, its a conservative one

    Extension of tax cuts.

    A defecit reduction plan that goes far beyond anything conservatives have offered.

    expansion of offshore drilling.

    election funding

     

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    Obama appears; shudder centrist to his hardcore base because he has glimpses of compromise in his style.  His overall vision of the role of Federal government is not conservative as it is expansive, liberal progressive.

    Political conservatives favor self determiniation, private enterprise, local control, small federal government resulting in fiscal conservative policy.  Social conservative are another issue.

     

    Obamacare is an expansion of the federal government

    Extension of tax cuts is a conservative position for all including the job creators, Obama wants the top percent to pay more.

    Deficit reduction is a work in progress and hinges on more revenue and cuts in spending. Obama plan is taxed based while the conservatives want cuts to end debt expansion but will consider additional revenue to decrease the debt.

    Expansion of offshore drilling, is not an Obama initiative as his administration's policies have hindered drilling and the increase of oil production is only due to initiatives started before his first term or due to private actions.

    Election funding?  Do you mean how Obama was going to use public funds before he got a better deal for his first election?

     
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    Re: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

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    Huntsman got beat up during the whack job primary because he had the nerve to accept a position with the Obama admin. Whack jobs!!

    Huntsman was one of many moderates who did not pass the crazy test necessary to pandor to the the FoxNews base. 

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    true

     
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    Re: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

    Huntsman was no threat because he wouldn't have been able to create the necessary infrastructure nor raise enough money to beat Obama. 

    A social moderate republican is slightly less liberal than Obama.

    Obama's big "socialist" ideas were Health Care reform, the Bank Bailouts, and the Auto Bailouts.  As everyone knows, Obamacare is a republican idea developed by a conservative think tank.  The Bank Bailouts were started by a Republican,  The Auto Bailout was started by a Republican. 

    The only aspect of ObamaCare that the righties don't like is the individual mandate, which is wierd because it's exactly what the Righties are always talking about - taking responsibility.

    What else is left?  Reforming student loans so that the Government was getting the interest instead of the banks who were risking nothing? 

     
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    Re: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

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    During the primaries, Huntsman was criticized for calling his opponents 'unelectable'.

    Sadly, Huntsman is the unelectable one. He is far too concerned with facts and reality to make any progress in a party of fetid imbeciles. Someone should kindly inform him that he is a conservative Democrat.

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    We've found out that the Dem base is no tolerance for a conservative Dem, as virtually all of the Blue Dog Dems have been pushed out.

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    Except we just elected a conservative Democrat to a second term. 

     

     

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    No we didn't. 

    Obama isn't the commie/socialist the right rails against but he is far left of center.  Although his foreign policy has pragmaticly ended up like Bush's.  His conection to the center ends there.  His big government solution ideas are far from conservative and well left of center.

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    You really need to read Bruce Bartlett's piece in AmCon to understand a little more of what you're talking about, esp. How one of Reagan's economic hatchet men was utterly disowned by the repub establishment (and so-called 'movement conservatism')...the same elites which have been championing fiscal frauds like Ryan and Romney.

    And part of the point of the November results is that America isn't nearly as center-right as some on the right would like to think.  The coalitions which the GOP failed to muster this time around are changing the political spectrum...in some ways permanently and in other ways completely irrelevant to the gop platform.

     

     
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    During the primaries, Huntsman was criticized for calling his opponents 'unelectable'.

    Sadly, Huntsman is the unelectable one. He is far too concerned with facts and reality to make any progress in a party of fetid imbeciles. Someone should kindly inform him that he is a conservative Democrat.

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    We've found out that the Dem base is no tolerance for a conservative Dem, as virtually all of the Blue Dog Dems have been pushed out.

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    Except we just elected a conservative Democrat to a second term. 

     

     

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    No we didn't. 

    Obama isn't the commie/socialist the right rails against but he is far left of center.  Although his foreign policy has pragmaticly ended up like Bush's.  His conection to the center ends there.  His big government solution ideas are far from conservative and well left of center.

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    You really need to read Bruce Bartlett's piece in AmCon to understand a little more of what you're talking about, esp. How one of Reagan's economic hatchet men was utterly disowned by the repub establishment (and so-called 'movement conservatism')...the same elites which have been championing fiscal frauds like Ryan and Romney.

    And part of the point of the November results is that America isn't nearly as center-right as some on the right would like to think.  The coalitions which the GOP failed to muster this time around are changing the political spectrum...in some ways permanently and in other ways completely irrelevant to the gop platform.

     

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    Americans have developed an a al carte approach to thier concerns and aren't as tied to political parties nor organized religions as they once were, although they want to belong.

    The GOP still has a strong message of self determination, a merit based competitive economy, and a smaller federal government.

    The GOP allowed themselves to have too loud of a wrong message on too many issues held dearly by the social/religious conservative activists of the party.

    They lost women over a contrived war on women issue

    They lost Hispanics/Latinos on too harsh view on immigration while the Dems floated by on no position.

    They lost Gen X by just looking to old, stodgy and not connected 

    These can all be fixed; if the up and comers of the Party have the stones to make changes.  Its up to the RGA and Jindal to make that happen.

     

     
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    Re: Huntsman was Obama’s biggest threat..........just saying

     

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    Americans have developed an a al carte approach to thier concerns and aren't as tied to political parties nor organized religions as they once were, although they want to belong.

    The GOP still has a strong message of self determination, a merit based competitive economy, and a smaller federal government.

    The GOP allowed themselves to have too loud of a wrong message on too many issues held dearly by the social/religious conservative activists of the party.

    They lost women over a contrived war on women issue

    They lost Hispanics/Latinos on too harsh view on immigration while the Dems floated by on no position.

    They lost Gen X by just looking to old, stodgy and not connected 

    These can all be fixed; if the up and comers of the Party have the stones to make changes.  Its up to the RGA and Jindal to make that happen.

     

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    Odd that you see that the G.O.P. gave the "wrong message" on social conservative issues and yet that those same issues were misrepresented in a "contrived war on women".   Maybe women are smarter than you think.  Maybe your first statement is the accurate one and the second one just a rant.  And I don't see the G.O.P. getting away from that wing of the party.  They lose a lot of the woman vote and the young vote on this score.

     
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