Hurricane alert

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    Hurricane alert

    Tropical forecast: 


    Thursday: 60% chance Hurricane Arthur will hit the Outer Banks directly and maybe even impact Cape Cod with tropical force winds...


    Friday: A 100% chance of hurricane force windbags on MSNBC bleating about 'global climate change'.....


    Saturday : 90% chance of President Obama visiting the storm damage, and again ludicrously claiming against all scientific evidence that this one hurricane proves that the 'earth has a fever'....

     
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    Re: Hurricane alert

    This will be a good place to document the inevitable "over heated" rhetoric.

    Heh.

     

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    In response to WhatNowDoYouWant's comment:
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    Yes, it will be lots of fun to engage in the deliberately and hopelessly stupid act of pretending that what the media says has anything to do with the science.

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    Yes, the holy and infallible 'science'...you cant dispute the science, so you cant dispute the Government raising your taxes and handing out billions to its cronies for green energy boondoggles...
    It is all about scaring the public, who somehow are cynical that  their leaders sometimes fudge the "science" their way....the reason that they might think that, is because it is true.

     
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    Just in time to give the "BIG O" another  DISTRACTION  !!!

     
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    Yes, it will be lots of fun to engage in the deliberately and hopelessly stupid act of pretending that what the media says has anything to do with the science.

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    We're not talking about science here, we're talking  about propaganda.

     

     
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    Hurricanes are now propaganda. 

    Wingnut fantastic.

     
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    The "science" apparently tells us every hurricane and extreme weather event can be stopped by the wizards at the Obama Administration...all it costs is to turn over the energy industry to these statist bureaucrats...


    White House counselor John Podesta looked to link the president's new rules capping carbon pollution to extreme weather events during a rare television appearance on the Weather Channel Tuesday morning.


    Podesta, whose portfolio for the president includes climate change issues, said it was important that viewers "let our politicians know we need to move ahead" on tougher restrictions on the nation's power plants.


    "The risk on the downside you're seeing every day in the weather," Podesta said...


    There's your 'science" !!!  Who is stupid enough to buy into this scaremongering?


    Read more: http://thehill.com/video/energy-environment/211070-wh-carbon-rules-needed-to-combat-extreme-weather#ixzz36LR7wwFy" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/video/energy-environment/211070-wh-carbon-rules-needed-to-combat-extreme-weather#ixzz36LR7wwFy

     
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    Re: Hurricane alert

    The level of CO2 impacts the climate - the more CO2 the warmer the climate of the Earth, the less CO2 the cooler the climate.  There are other factors at work that can cause the planet to warm and cool.  But all scientists agree CO2 impacts the climate.

    The level of CO2 in the air has increased.  This is fact.

    Not all CO2 is alike.  It is possible to break down CO2 to determine its source - this is fact.

    The increases in the CO2 can be traced to man-made sources.  Again, this is fact.

    Temperature changes from increases in CO2 can be predicted - this is theory because there are other things that can impact the climate.  For example, a huge volcano could explode which would change the atmosphere.

     
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    So we are seeing downsides in the weather every day caused by man-made increases in CO2? That is what the lying moonbat, er, top advisor to the President,  was spoonfeeding to the masses via a TV interview, to scare us.

     
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    Re: Hurricane alert

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    So we are seeing downsides in the weather every day caused by man-made increases in CO2? That is what the lying moonbat, er, top advisor to the President,  was spoonfeeding to the masses via a TV interview, to scare us.

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    Yep, CO2 has an impact on the climate.  It's a fact.  Didnt see the interview.  Was it good?  Don't need politicians telling me things I already know.  Most republican pols thought climate change was real and bad until the Koch bros git involved.

    i bet you don't think smoking is bad for you or that acid rain was real or bad.

     
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    In response to WhatNowDoYouWant's comment:
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    Just like I said.

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    Exactly. Maybe you can explain it to BillTheCat, he seems to be having some trouble following the logic.

     
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    So we are seeing downsides in the weather every day caused by man-made increases in CO2? That is what the lying moonbat, er, top advisor to the President,  was spoonfeeding to the masses via a TV interview, to scare us.


     



    Regardless of the cause, warmer global temperatures are predicted ...predicted based on assuredly incomplete and possibly fault models....predicted to cause more volatile weather.

     

     

    That is independent of the warming effect of increasing levels of CO2. The underlying theory itself has never been disproven in any sense. We know C02's properties. We just can't map every particle on earth until we have vastly more powerful computers and observation systems.

     

    Both of those are independent of whatever the media happens to run its mouth about. I'd prefer the media to shut up, except as to objectively report developing science, because it's statements like "this hurricane is because of climate change" that your ilk dishonestly use as ammo against the science.

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    This isnt the "media", this is the top adviser to the President.

    Abusing the 'science'...the science of future ...future...climate models....lying that today's weather extremes are caused by CO2 and ludicrously asserting that today's weather can be influenced by the President's proposals.....

     
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    Re: Hurricane alert

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    So we are seeing downsides in the weather every day caused by man-made increases in CO2? That is what the lying moonbat, er, top advisor to the President,  was spoonfeeding to the masses via a TV interview, to scare us.





    If you believe in free markets and capitalism then you have to believe the companies which compose those markets will work in their best interest ...and those companies are adding in the costs of climate change to their business expenses.


    The largest commercial insurers in the world have developed their own computer modelling of the consequences associated with climate change. They employ the best actuaries and scientists to study the problem and place a price on the future ... and they have universally accepted the fact that AGW is real and has a direct impact on their business models.


    I guess free markets are another area where wingnuts like to employ their selective amnesia ... if it doesn't align with their political ideology it must be ignored.

     
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    Re: Hurricane alert

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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     



    So we are seeing downsides in the weather every day caused by man-made increases in CO2? That is what the lying moonbat, er, top advisor to the President,  was spoonfeeding to the masses via a TV interview, to scare us.


     




    If you believe in free markets and capitalism then you have to believe the companies which compose those markets will work in their best interest ...and those companies are adding in the costs of climate change to their business expenses.

     

     

    The largest commercial insurers in the world have developed their own computer modelling of the consequences associated with climate change. They employ the best actuaries and scientists to study the problem and place a price on the future ... and they have universally accepted the fact that AGW is real and has a direct impact on their business models.

     

    I guess free markets are another area where wingnuts like to employ their selective amnesia ... if it doesn't align with their political ideology it must be ignored.

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    Right....and did they adjust in 2007 based on the the IPCC stating then that there was a greater than 50 percent certainty that human activity was contributing to an observed intensification of hurricane activity?

    Whoops....since then the opposite occurred, with the United States being graced with a historic  period of calm,..... from 2008 to today, no CAT 2 or higher hurricane struck the US....so the IPCC backed away from their previous stance, establishing only a 20 percent certainty to the claim that there is a relationship between global warming and hurricanes.

    The "actuaries" are better off flipping a coin...

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
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    In response to high-road's comment:
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

     


    So we are seeing downsides in the weather every day caused by man-made increases in CO2? That is what the lying moonbat, er, top advisor to the President,  was spoonfeeding to the masses via a TV interview, to scare us.

     

     




    If you believe in free markets and capitalism then you have to believe the companies which compose those markets will work in their best interest ...and those companies are adding in the costs of climate change to their business expenses.

     

     

    The largest commercial insurers in the world have developed their own computer modelling of the consequences associated with climate change. They employ the best actuaries and scientists to study the problem and place a price on the future ... and they have universally accepted the fact that AGW is real and has a direct impact on their business models.

     

    I guess free markets are another area where wingnuts like to employ their selective amnesia ... if it doesn't align with their political ideology it must be ignored.

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    Right....and did they adjust in 2007 based on the the IPCC stating then that there was a greater than 50 percent certainty that human activity was contributing to an observed intensification of hurricane activity?

    Whoops....since then the opposite occurred, with the United States being graced with a historic  period of calm,..... from 2008 to today, no CAT 2 or higher hurricane struck the US....so the IPCC backed away from their previous stance, establishing only a 20 percent certainty to the claim that there is a relationship between global warming and hurricanes.

    The "actuaries" are better off flipping a coin...

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    Spanky...spanky... spanky ... are you freaking kidding me?

    Are you really that dense to say that not only are the climate scientists that work in research or the gov't wrong ... but every scientist employed in the private sector is wrong also?

    Are trying to put forth the premise that actuaries, whose very profession is to do risk analysis and evaluation ... to literally put their companies money on the line every time they write a policy ... and their track record speaks for itself ... they don't know what their doing ... but an ideological imbecile like you knows more?

    Are you just completly abandoning the idea that free markets actually work ... that private companies whose business depends on predictive analysis of future climate conditions are wrong ....only because the markets and these successful companies have spoken and it doesn't support your blind obedience to partisan politicking?

    Are you trying to use one tiny snippet of a few years as some kind of counter argument to a theory that spans a century or more?

    Listen, I know you are not equipped to think for yourself but this is just getting ridiculous...

    Next you'll try and say that wingnut policies work despite all the evidence that you posted to the contrary.... oh sorry, you can check that one of your list.

     

     
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    Re: Hurricane alert

    Whatever you say, Spanky!


    Where are these expert "actuaries"?

    2013:

    "According to the study, of 184 insurance companies doing business in California, New York or Washington state, only 23 were preparing to deal with global climate change; of those, 13 were based overseas."

     “Companies including Allstate and The Travelers are expressing skepticism of climate change,”

    Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm

     
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    Re: Hurricane alert

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
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    Whatever you say, Spanky!


    Where are these expert "actuaries"?

    2013:

    "According to the study, of 184 insurance companies doing business in California, New York or Washington state, only 23 were preparing to deal with global climate change; of those, 13 were based overseas."

     “Companies including Allstate and The Travelers are expressing skepticism of climate change,”

    Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm" rel="nofollow">http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm

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    The risks associated with climate change have got some very important people worried – the people who pick up the bills, and those who clear up the mess or try to prevent it happening.

    The world s biggest and oldest insurance market, Lloyd’s of London, has published a report that urges insurers to include climate risks in their models. It says: Scientific research points conclusively to the existence of climate change driven by human activity.

    Munich Re, the largest reinsurance company in the world, reported on further natural disasters and linked them to possible global warming ...

    Gerhard Berz of Munich Re stated that “There is no longer any doubt to us that a warming of the atmosphere and oceans is causing an increased likelihood of storms, tidal waves, hailstorms, floods and other extreme events”.

     
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    The U.S. insurance industry told Senators that a surge in weather-related catastrophes has forced billions of dollars in payouts, offering an assessment at odds with Republicans who have expressed doubt about global warming.

    The Reinsurance Association of America, which represents companies such as Swiss Re Ltd. (SREN) and Munich Re, today urged Congress to have federal agencies consider climate risk in project reviews, and offer tax incentives to help homeowners prepare for severe hurricanes, floods, droughts and fires.

    “The industry is at great financial peril if it does not understand global and regional climate impacts, variability and developing scientific assessment of a changing climate,” Franklin Nutter, president of the association, said in testimony to the Senate Environment and Public Works committee. “We are committed to work with you to address the exposure of citizens and their property to extreme weather risk.”

    The affect of these weather events is exacerbated by the growth in population and building in coastal and rural areas, he said.

     
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    Whatever you say, Spanky!


    Where are these expert "actuaries"?

    2013:

    "According to the study, of 184 insurance companies doing business in California, New York or Washington state, only 23 were preparing to deal with global climate change; of those, 13 were based overseas."

     “Companies including Allstate and The Travelers are expressing skepticism of climate change,”

    Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm" rel="nofollow">http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm" rel="nofollow">http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm

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    The risks associated with climate change have got some very important people worried – the people who pick up the bills, and those who clear up the mess or try to prevent it happening.

    The world s biggest and oldest insurance market, Lloyd’s of London, has published a report that urges insurers to include climate risks in their models. It says: Scientific research points conclusively to the existence of climate change driven by human activity.

    Munich Re, the largest reinsurance company in the world, reported on further natural disasters and linked them to possible global warming ...

    Gerhard Berz of Munich Re stated that “There is no longer any doubt to us that a warming of the atmosphere and oceans is causing an increased likelihood of storms, tidal waves, hailstorms, floods and other extreme events”.

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    Yes, Germany swallowed the global warming hype, and is now suffering for ti...its green energy foolishness led to electricity rates skyrocketing.

    Well, thats nice what Gerhard Berz believes, but he is not a scientist...and per progressives, unless you are a scientist, er a Government funded scientist, your opinion doesnt matter.

    As pointed out, most US insurance companies deal in reality, and ignore the climate change hype....of course, if people are gullible enough, some no doubt will try to sneak in a "climate change" rate increase...

     
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    In response to high-road's comment:
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    The U.S. insurance industry told Senators that a surge in weather-related catastrophes has forced billions of dollars in payouts, offering an assessment at odds with Republicans who have expressed doubt about global warming.

    The Reinsurance Association of America, which represents companies such as Swiss Re Ltd. (SREN) and Munich Re, today urged Congress to have federal agencies consider climate risk in project reviews, and offer tax incentives to help homeowners prepare for severe hurricanes, floods, droughts and fires.

    “The industry is at great financial peril if it does not understand global and regional climate impacts, variability and developing scientific assessment of a changing climate,” Franklin Nutter, president of the association, said in testimony to the Senate Environment and Public Works committee. “We are committed to work with you to address the exposure of citizens and their property to extreme weather risk.”

    The affect of these weather events is exacerbated by the growth in population and building in coastal and rural areas, he said.

    [/QUOTE]

    The assessment is most definitely not at odds with doubts about global warming.
    A surge in weather related claims is not "exacerbated" , it is precisely because of increased population and coastline development......the severity of extreme weather has not changed. It has always been a threat...and the climate is always changing...

     
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    Whatever you say, Spanky!





    Where are these expert "actuaries"?




    2013:




    "According to the study, of 184 insurance companies doing business in California, New York or Washington state, only 23 were preparing to deal with global climate change; of those, 13 were based overseas."




     “Companies including Allstate and The Travelers are expressing skepticism of climate change,”




    Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm" rel="nofollow">http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm" rel="nofollow">http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm" rel="nofollow">http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm" rel="nofollow">http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm" rel="nofollow">http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm" rel="nofollow">http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm" rel="nofollow">http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm" rel="nofollow">http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm" rel="nofollow">http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm" rel="nofollow">http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm" rel="nofollow">http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm" rel="nofollow">http://www.care2.com/causes/insurers-unprepared-for-global-warming.html#ixzz36Vh9YAdm




     






     


     


    The risks associated with climate change have got some very important people worried – the people who pick up the bills, and those who clear up the mess or try to prevent it happening.


     


    The world s biggest and oldest insurance market, Lloyd’s of London, has published a report that urges insurers to include climate risks in their models. It says: Scientific research points conclusively to the existence of climate change driven by human activity.


     


    Munich Re, the largest reinsurance company in the world, reported on further natural disasters and linked them to possible global warming ...


     


    Gerhard Berz of Munich Re stated that “There is no longer any doubt to us that a warming of the atmosphere and oceans is causing an increased likelihood of storms, tidal waves, hailstorms, floods and other extreme events”.


     



     


    Yes, Germany swallowed the global warming hype, and is now suffering for ti...its green energy foolishness led to electricity rates skyrocketing.

    Well, thats nice what Gerhard Berz believes, but he is not a scientist...and per progressives, unless you are a scientist, er a Government funded scientist, your opinion doesnt matter.


     


    As pointed out, most US insurance companies deal in reality, and ignore the climate change hype....of course, if people are gullible enough, some no doubt will try to sneak in a "climate change" rate increase...


     


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    Riiiight the two largest global insurers are wrong about global warming but a few insurers in one US state know the truth.


     


    The Reinsurance Association of America is wrong about the effects of global warming but you know differently.


     


    This isn't a fun debate any longer ... you'll just keep stamping your feet, plugging your ears and denying that the experts ... and the insurance industry directly affected by AGW ... are wrong, despite the fact that their company's financial fortunes depend on them being right.... and their profits and longevity in the markets is bottom-line proof that they do in fact know the things that affect their business and know it quite well..

     
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    Re: Hurricane alert

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
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    In response to high-road's comment:
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    The U.S. insurance industry told Senators that a surge in weather-related catastrophes has forced billions of dollars in payouts, offering an assessment at odds with Republicans who have expressed doubt about global warming.

    The Reinsurance Association of America, which represents companies such as Swiss Re Ltd. (SREN) and Munich Re, today urged Congress to have federal agencies consider climate risk in project reviews, and offer tax incentives to help homeowners prepare for severe hurricanes, floods, droughts and fires.

    “The industry is at great financial peril if it does not understand global and regional climate impacts, variability and developing scientific assessment of a changing climate,” Franklin Nutter, president of the association, said in testimony to the Senate Environment and Public Works committee. “We are committed to work with you to address the exposure of citizens and their property to extreme weather risk.”

    The affect of these weather events is exacerbated by the growth in population and building in coastal and rural areas, he said.

    [/QUOTE]

    The assessment is most definitely not at odds with doubts about global warming.
    A surge in weather related claims is not "exacerbated" , it is precisely because of increased population and coastline development......the severity of extreme weather has not changed. It has always been a threat...and the climate is always changing...

    [/QUOTE]

    Okay cranky, what should we do, nothing? Ignore everything? Pretend nothings going on?

     
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    In response to BilltheKat's comment:
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
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    In response to high-road's comment:
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    The U.S. insurance industry told Senators that a surge in weather-related catastrophes has forced billions of dollars in payouts, offering an assessment at odds with Republicans who have expressed doubt about global warming.

    The Reinsurance Association of America, which represents companies such as Swiss Re Ltd. (SREN) and Munich Re, today urged Congress to have federal agencies consider climate risk in project reviews, and offer tax incentives to help homeowners prepare for severe hurricanes, floods, droughts and fires.

    “The industry is at great financial peril if it does not understand global and regional climate impacts, variability and developing scientific assessment of a changing climate,” Franklin Nutter, president of the association, said in testimony to the Senate Environment and Public Works committee. “We are committed to work with you to address the exposure of citizens and their property to extreme weather risk.”

    The affect of these weather events is exacerbated by the growth in population and building in coastal and rural areas, he said.

    [/QUOTE]

    The assessment is most definitely not at odds with doubts about global warming.
    A surge in weather related claims is not "exacerbated" , it is precisely because of increased population and coastline development......the severity of extreme weather has not changed. It has always been a threat...and the climate is always changing...

    [/QUOTE]

    Okay cranky, what should we do, nothing? Ignore everything? Pretend nothings going on?

    [/QUOTE]

    What is going on currently in weather and climate is nothing unusual.

    What some climate scientists claim will happen in the future , based on computer models,  is a theory and hasnt happened yet.

    Obama's plans demonstrably and admittedly do nothing (1% impact)  to affect the supposed crisis of carbon levels in the atmosphere. But do decimate and destroy the booming US energy industry.

     

     

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