IF THE REPUBLICANS FAIL TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING........

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    To the question:  If republicans fail to raise the debt ceiling...

    Kelldog will have to move to a real socialist country, like Cuba.

     
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    or,

    Julia, as in life of Julia, will find her life up on the rocks as her chronic dependency on government handouts dries up.

     
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      THEY ARE ALL DONE AS A VIABLE POLITICAL PARTY. THEY ARE ALREADY THE "CRAZY PARTY", SOON TO BECOME THE EXTINCT PARTY!!! THESE BUNCH OF SMUG, IDIOT, OBSTRUCTIONIST, ARISTOCRATS, HELL BENT ON THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA, SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED AND ASHAMED. THEY ARE THE LAP DOGS OF THE BILLIONAIRES.

    DUMBASSS AMERICANS WHO DON'T HAVE A CLUE, BUY INTO THEIR AGENDA.

    EDUCATED SANE AMERICANS HATE YOUR F'N GUTS!



    HYPERBOLE at its best

     
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    "I will not negotiate" or should it be "I WILL NOT NEGOTIATE!"


    - Barack Insane Obama

     
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    "I will not negotiate" or should it be "I WILL NOT NEGOTIATE!"


    - Barack Insane Obama



    THE LATTER

     
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    Both party's are partisan, vindictive and stubborn!

    I do not know where it started but, it was well before any of us were around!

    The dem's shoved through a bill with snide arrogance when they had a super majority in part just for spite and republicans vowed revenge!

    They both suck and should all be fired!!!

     
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    "I will not negotiate" or should it be "I WILL NOT NEGOTIATE!"


    - Barack Insane Obama



    Funding the government and raising the debt ceiling are straightfoward economic funding resolutions, not legislative sessions.  Negotitations are for legislative sessions.

     

     
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    Both party's are partisan, vindictive and stubborn!

    I do not know where it started but, it was well before any of us were around!

    The dem's shoved through a bill with snide arrogance when they had a super majority in part just for spite and republicans vowed revenge!

    They both suck and should all be fired!!!



    Republicans are the only ones to blame here.

    It is the GOP that has spent the past six months plotting to hold the budget and the ability to pay our debts hostage in an attempt to achieve ideological gains that they cannot otherwise get passed. 

    And it is Speaker Boehner that could end this shutdown whenever he wants by allowing the full House to vote on a clean continuing budget resolution and a clean debt ceiling increase, but he's too concerned about his own policical carcass. 

    The only appropriate response from President Obama and the Democrats is to insist that House Republicans do their job and agree to such clean votes.

     

     
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    Sorry....but it takes two to tango. There is never just ONE side to blame. Maybe one side takes more of the blame. But it's never one sided like the Left wants to believe.

     
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    Sorry....but it takes two to tango. There is never just ONE side to blame. Maybe one side takes more of the blame. But it's never one sided like the Left wants to believe.

     




     

    And the polls are evening out.  The incompetent better re-think his "no negotiation" strategy before his approval rating sinks under 40%



    What negotiation?  The GOP will not drop their defund-ObamaCare crusade, so there will be no negotiating.

    I expect President Obama will smartly invoke the 14th Amendment to preserve the economic stability of the country and the world. 

    Then we'll see another impeachment on a pure Republican House vote. We saw it once before, and Clinton's ratings soared into the 70% range.

     
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    "I will not negotiate" or should it be "I WILL NOT NEGOTIATE!"


    - Barack Insane Obama

     



    Funding the government and raising the debt ceiling are straightfoward economic funding resolutions, not legislative sessions.  Negotitations are for legislative sessions.

     

     

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    Yes that is true, but you can have negotiations at those points if the issue involved is derailing a conservative program or reinstating funding for a progressive social program, right?

     
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    Sorry....but it takes two to tango. There is never just ONE side to blame. Maybe one side takes more of the blame. But it's never one sided like the Left wants to believe.

     




     

    And the polls are evening out.  The incompetent better re-think his "no negotiation" strategy before his approval rating sinks under 40%

     



    What negotiation?  The GOP will not drop their defund-ObamaCare crusade, so there will be no negotiating.

     

    I expect President Obama will smartly invoke the 14th Amendment to preserve the economic stability of the country and the world. 

    Then we'll see another impeachment on a pure Republican House vote. We saw it once before, and Clinton's ratings soared into the 70% range.

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    Well....as long as Obama gets his precious higher ratings then all is good in the world....sigh

     
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    Sorry....but it takes two to tango. There is never just ONE side to blame. Maybe one side takes more of the blame. But it's never one sided like the Left wants to believe.

     



    True.  

     

     

    However, I think who is looking out for the people is clear.  The liberals, which includes a slew of Republicans, want to pour and set cement around this new high in government control.  The conservatives, which include NOT ONE Democrat, want to return these government actions of control and regulation back to the people.

    I think any honest person would have to admit to most if not all of this.

     
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     Clinton negotiated and America saw one of the best economies in recent memory.




    Are you seriously drawing a causal link only because of those two factors?

    Nothing else happened in the time leading up to that in the economy (tech sector particularly) that might explain what they economy increasingly heated up under Clinton?

     
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     Clinton negotiated and America saw one of the best economies in recent memory.

     




     

    Are you seriously drawing a causal link only because of those two factors?

    Nothing else happened in the time leading up to that in the economy (tech sector particularly) that might explain what they economy increasingly heated up under Clinton?

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    I am pretty convinced it was the supply side activities of the Reagan era that led to the roaring 90's.

     
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     Clinton negotiated and America saw one of the best economies in recent memory.

     




     

    Are you seriously drawing a causal link only because of those two factors?

    Nothing else happened in the time leading up to that in the economy (tech sector particularly) that might explain what they economy increasingly heated up under Clinton?

     




     

    Clinton moved to the middle and was willing to negotiate.  1993 saw the largest tax increase in history enacted by a Democrat controlled House and Senate, and a Democrat president.  The result was the "Contract With America" and a Republican sweep led by Gingrich.  Clinton promptly moved to the center and we saw great economic times.

    When the govt was shutdown for 21 days (as I posted above), Clinton`s approval ratings stayed flat  and the Rep`s went up.

     

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    Well I suppose we differ. If I wanted to analyze why the economy heated up over the course of the 90s, I would look to more factors than simply the mere fact that Clinton negotiated with Republicans.

    One major thing is the effect of the growing tech bubble: artificial inflation of the economy picture. Just like the economy looked better under Bush than it was due to the mortgage/finance bubbles.

     
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     Clinton negotiated and America saw one of the best economies in recent memory.

     




     

    Are you seriously drawing a causal link only because of those two factors?

    Nothing else happened in the time leading up to that in the economy (tech sector particularly) that might explain what they economy increasingly heated up under Clinton?

     

     




     

     

    Clinton moved to the middle and was willing to negotiate.  1993 saw the largest tax increase in history enacted by a Democrat controlled House and Senate, and a Democrat president.  The result was the "Contract With America" and a Republican sweep led by Gingrich.  Clinton promptly moved to the center and we saw great economic times.

    When the govt was shutdown for 21 days (as I posted above), Clinton`s approval ratings stayed flat  and the Rep`s went up.

     



     

    Well I suppose we differ. If I wanted to analyze why the economy heated up over the course of the 90s, I would look to more factors than simply the mere fact that Clinton negotiated with Republicans.

    One major thing is the effect of the growing tech bubble: artificial inflation of the economy picture. Just like the economy looked better under Bush than it was due to the mortgage/finance bubbles.

    Both were factors, in both administrations, I agree.

    And now you`ve mentioned 2 presidents that presided over healthy economies (for most of the time).............why?  Because they were able to cross the aisle and get things done.

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    Well I think there are a more factors that play into the willingness to negotiate angle:

    1. The topic. The GOP has shifted its claims overtime somewhat, but this shutdown was at first supposed to be about defunding or repealing Obamacare. Obama isn't going to agree to undo his own signature law, so what exactly is there for him to negotiate about?

    That's the kind of change that, if it happens, should happen by way of elections that give the GOP enough seats to get their way.

    Have any past shutdowns been about a demand that a President undoing his own signature law despite getting reelected in an election where it is a major issue?

     

    2. Setting precedent. The last time the GOP pulled this trick, a minority faction (Cantor's group) opposed any deal between Boehner and OBama that involved new revenue. We eventaully ended up with a downgrade and a sequester that neither side liked but now grudgingly accept.

    Negotiating now sends the message that this is a perfectly valid way of doing things. And I think the time to negotiate is over the bills actually authorizing spending...not holding the check you already promised to pay as ransom for further demands.


    3. GOP's own history of non-negotiation. Some of them justify this by pointing to the Dems supposed refusal to negotiate when Obamacare was in fact past. Others have pointed out that Republican amendments were included. Others were of course rejected.  But all that happened in the following context, which I can't just ignore: They really did promise to oppose everything Obama did in order to break him and make him a one term president.

    That was their strategy.

    For them to now say that they are justified in shutting government down to force Obamacare out of existence....because they weren't listened to the first time around...strikes me as very disengenous.

     

     

    Either way the overall bottom line for me is that operation of government and debt ceilings are not the time to negotiate over spending that has already been authorized. It's foolish and creates a dangerous precedent. Are we really going to have to go through this every time the debt limit comes up?

     
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