In one year alone, 2011....

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    Re: In one year alone, 2011....

    In response to 12-Angry-Men's comment:

    So gov't IS the answer.

    Will you freakin idiots make up your minds?

    Who is going to pay for the weapons at $500 a pop?

    The ongoing training at $2-300 per course?

    The ammunition for training?

    Gun safes so the weapons can be stored safely at home?

    The mental health evaluations?

     

     

    So after all the whacking wingnut bullshiite about the fed mandating stuff, now you want to mandate that people carry weapons.

    And what if the school or the teachers object on religious grounds?

     

     

     

     



    You seen to have significant thinking issues at the moment.  Maybe a nap will help.

     
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    Re: In one year alone, 2011....

    In response to 12-Angry-Men's comment:

    So gov't IS the answer.

    Who is going to pay for the weapons at $500 a pop?

    The ongoing training at $2-300 per course?

    The ammunition for training?

    Gun safes so the weapons can be stored safely at home?

    The mental health evaluations?"

     

    Who is going to pay? Since progressives tell us they are not "greedy" and only concerned for the children..... a good suggestion is the parasitic public employee union thugs, er, officials, who make a great living looting the public treasury...as greedy members of the "1%", surely they can "pay their fair share"

    Just from one state: Ohio Education Association (OEA) President Patricia Frost-Brooks was paid $267,916 in dues taken from Ohio teachers during fiscal year 2012, according to the union’s latest staff and officer data submitted to the U.S. Department of Labor. More than a hundred OEA employees and officers were paid six figures during the same period, as the union gave $77,500 to progressive groups who demonize “the rich” in the name of bigger government.

    Frost-Brooks, the Ohio Democratic Party’s “Democrat of the Year,” was one of seven OEA employees and officers paid more than $175,000 from September 1, 2011 to August 31, 2012.

    • Patricia Frost-Brooks, President: $267,916
    • Larry Wicks, Executive Director: $222,167
    • William Leibensperger, Vice President: $193,766
    • James Timlin, Secretary-Treasurer: $189,640
    • Bonnie Joseph, Labor Relations Consultant: $181,319
    • James Martin, Assistant Executive Director: $178,009
    • Thomas Jowhar, Labor Relations Consultant: $175,816

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




     
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    Re: In one year alone, 2011....

     Ha! Listen to you. It's one thing for Australia to make it work, it's quite another for the USA to make it work.

     I've lived in 5 different states and believe me, what works in one area doesn't always work in another. I'm not saying it wouldn't work, but there's no guarantee it would work as well as it does in Australia.

     Also, you'd have a much harder time selling this in other areas of the country than you would here.

     MA has draconian weapon laws compared to other states and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference to the people who are killed year after year. The killers found a way around those laws and got the weapons they needed. They don't care about the possession laws. Why should they? If they committ the murder than what's an extra 20 years matter?

     And, again, it doesn't make any difference to the person who died.

     PS: How many of those 67 officers were killed by gangs? Bet the numbers high, and the gangs usually have weapons on par with and in some cases better than the cops.

     

     
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    Re: In one year alone, 2011....

    In response to 12-Angry-Men's comment:

    67 Police Officers were gunned down in the line of duty.

    They all were carrying a weapon.

    Many were wearing bullet-proof vests.

    These are trained profressionals skilled in the use of weapons, especially sidearms.

     

    If that many police officers are killed in one year, why the fcuk do you wingnuts think that giving an untrained teacher a handgun is the answer?

     



    Well like that airline pilot rule; if the individual is trained and component in gun use why not allow it.  Many states do like Texas.

    The surprise act of a the Principal who challenged the shooter pulling a gun may have reduced some of Sandy Hook's carnage.

     
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    Re: In one year alone, 2011....

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    In response to 12-Angry-Men's comment:

    So gov't IS the answer.

    Who is going to pay for the weapons at $500 a pop?

    The ongoing training at $2-300 per course?

    The ammunition for training?

    Gun safes so the weapons can be stored safely at home?

    The mental health evaluations?"

     

    Who is going to pay? Since progressives tell us they are not "greedy" and only concerned for the children..... a good suggestion is the parasitic public employee union thugs, er, officials, who make a great living looting the public treasury...as greedy members of the "1%", surely they can "pay their fair share"

    Just from one state: Ohio Education Association (OEA) President Patricia Frost-Brooks was paid $267,916 in dues taken from Ohio teachers during fiscal year 2012, according to the union’s latest staff and officer data submitted to the U.S. Department of Labor. More than a hundred OEA employees and officers were paid six figures during the same period, as the union gave $77,500 to progressive groups who demonize “the rich” in the name of bigger government.

    Frost-Brooks, the Ohio Democratic Party’s “Democrat of the Year,” was one of seven OEA employees and officers paid more than $175,000 from September 1, 2011 to August 31, 2012.

    • Patricia Frost-Brooks, President: $267,916
    • Larry Wicks, Executive Director: $222,167
    • William Leibensperger, Vice President: $193,766
    • James Timlin, Secretary-Treasurer: $189,640
    • Bonnie Joseph, Labor Relations Consultant: $181,319
    • James Martin, Assistant Executive Director: $178,009
    • Thomas Jowhar, Labor Relations Consultant: $175,816






    Pretty high salaries for sure.  But why do you care?  Union members pay dues to support these folks. Are you as interested in what corporate executives get paid?  Of course not.  

    And this issue has nothing to do with the overall post on gun violence.  

    The only thing thuggish about this situation as your thinking ability.

     

     
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    Re: In one year alone, 2011....

    In response to 12-Angry-Men's comment:

    In response to NO MO O's comment:

    Please try to stop generalize all this or that. WE (just as YOU) don't ALL share the same opinion. Make training the teachers option and offer a pay differencial for "packing" the heat. Submit all around awareness is the best defense. State or local control works for me.

     




    Now that's fvcking rich.

     

    All you whacko wingnuts keep blabbering, over and over again is more guns, more guns all without one shred of evidence that it would do anything but exacerbate the situation.

    I'll stop generalizing when you fvcking idiots actually apply a modicum of logic and a scintilla of evidence to all your ideological ignorance.

    In the 18 yrs before Australia passed an assault weapons ban there were 13 mass murders and 102 deaths, almost one such incident a year.

    In the fifeteen yrs since the new gun laws... NOT ONE INCIDENT IN THAT CATEGORY. 

    So if you can't provide the same compelling evidence then just shut the fcuk up.

    All you idiots do is regurgitate the same diarhea based on nothing more than your ideological ignorance. You freakin morons are so fvcking dense that even when shown the most relevent and compelling evidence to date, you stick your fvcking heads further up your rectums and just keep parroting the same echo chamber bullshiite.  

    So no, yours it not an opinion worth anything more than derision and scorn.

    If the best argument you have is to ignore the facts, parrot wingnut memes and stick your noses between the cheeks of the lemming in front of you, then you have no cause to complain about being ridiculed.  

    It's mind-numbingly annoying when there is case after case, study after study which shows direct evidence that banning assualt weapons and tightening gun laws reduces these mass killings and the best bullshiite response from the wingnuts is to stamp their feet, plug their ears and regurgitate echo chamber tripe. You can't dispute the evidence and you have, at best fleeting, tangental studies about general crime, and even those are outdated and don't even apply to mass murders yet you refuse to believe hard evidence only because it's conflicts with your ideology. You have no facts, no evidence, just some fvcking cockamamie idea that by putting more of the same weapons that were used in this heinous act into circulation it would reduce the types of murders those weapons were designed for.

    IT"S ABSOLUTELY FVCKING LUDICROUS!!! 

    You're ideological imbeciles and insist, inspite of all the relevent facts to the contrary, on arguing your 'point' like obstinate three year olds who still believe in the Tooth Fairy.   



    Do you have a source for the Austrailia study and the paramaters of their assault weapon legislation?

     
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    Re: In one year alone, 2011....

    It kills me how the same people who think arming teachers is a good idea are the very same people who think teachers are overpaid layabouts. 

     
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