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In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

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    In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    ...whether he wins or loses.

    Months and millions spent on a campaign and two debates built around whether Ms. Warren is a Native American, leading up to...

    Debate #1:  Almost entirely about "character", fed by Mr. Keller.

    Debate #2: He knows an Indian when he sees one.

    "Everyone can see she's not a person of color."

    Debate #3:  He didn't bring it up because no one asked, but...

    "It's time to put the hammer down."

    And the history class question will be: "How did he get by with it?"

    Possible answer:  "It was all by proxy."

    His answer, until the day he dies: "Who, me?"

     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from massmoderateJoe. Show massmoderateJoe's posts

    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    She checked "the box" for her 1985 UPenn Hiring and it was still checked for her Harvard hiring.  Harvard touted her as a person of color in the Crimson.  She took advantage of an affirmative action philosophy to game the afirmative action system; thus a question of character.

    She used her family lore, and an old recipe for her entry into minority status in the 1984 Pow Wow Chow cookbook. Liberals should be outraged by her gaming the system; but then again she supports their views so its easy to have a blind eye.  She never lived like a minority and she didn't deserve any affirmative hiring action.

    GOP Senate candidate Akin makes an outrageous statement and gets ostracized (rightfully so) by the GOP.  Warren games the affirmative action system for 20 years and gets defended and embraced.  Which was the larger offense?

     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from StalkingButler. Show StalkingButler's posts

    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    He's racist for pointing out that she lied about and benefitted from lying about her race. Okay, I guess I need to think about that one.

     

     
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    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

    He's racist for pointing out that she lied about and benefitted from lying about her race. Okay, I guess I need to think about that one.

     




    This is not true.  And you don't care.  Just like Brown.  If smears get you elected it is all good apparently.  The fact that it is a smear that appeals to nativist prejudice makes it doubly immoral.  But if it works it is just fine.  The end justifies the means...

     
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    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    Does anyone think that Warren is being paid $350K for teaching one class at the best law school in the country because she's part Indian?  Does anyone think Warren was asked to participate on cases before the SCOTUS because she's part indian?

     
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    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

    He's racist for pointing out that she lied about and benefitted from lying about her race. Okay, I guess I need to think about that one.

     




    Except there is no proof that she lied about having Native American heritage. Even Brown..in the second debate..had to back away from that claim since there is no way to prove it one way or another. Added to that..she checked that box in a directory..not on a job application or anything else. The only one who really benefitted from that checked box was Harvard..since it gave them bragging rights..at least for a small amount of time.

    He comes across as someone who doesn't understand race when he makes comments like "you can tell by looking at her that she's not Native American".

    This issue was and continues to be a non starter for him. Simple as that. If Brown loses the election it will be because of his insistance in making an issue out of something that isn't. Most people who come from families of diverse background completely understand this.

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from massmoderateJoe. Show massmoderateJoe's posts

    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    Yes, she got her Harvard job because she decided to check the box, and was involved with cases before SCOTUS because UPenn and later Harvard hired her, (after she checked the box). 

    She checked "the box" for her 1985 UPenn Hiring and it was still checked for her Harvard hiring. Harvard touted her as a person of color in the Crimson. She took advantage of an affirmative action philosophy to game the afirmative action system; thus a question of character. She used her family lore, and an old recipe for her entry into minority status in the 1984 Pow Wow Chow cookbook. Liberals should be outraged by her gaming the system; but then again she supports their views so its easy to have a blind eye. She never lived like a minority and she didn't deserve any affirmative hiring action. GOP Senate candidate Akin makes an outrageous statement and gets ostracized (rightfully so) by the GOP. Warren games the affirmative action system for 20 years and gets defended and embraced. Which was the larger offense?

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from 12-Angry-Men. Show 12-Angry-Men's posts

    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    She never lived like a minority....

    Wow, no prejudice there.

    Please enlighten us as to your biased idea of how a minority should 'live'....

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from Reubenhop. Show Reubenhop's posts

    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

    Yes, she got her Harvard job because she decided to check the box, and was involved with cases before SCOTUS because UPenn and later Harvard hired her, (after she checked the box). 

    She checked "the box" for her 1985 UPenn Hiring and it was still checked for her Harvard hiring. Harvard touted her as a person of color in the Crimson. She took advantage of an affirmative action philosophy to game the afirmative action system; thus a question of character. She used her family lore, and an old recipe for her entry into minority status in the 1984 Pow Wow Chow cookbook. Liberals should be outraged by her gaming the system; but then again she supports their views so its easy to have a blind eye. She never lived like a minority and she didn't deserve any affirmative hiring action. GOP Senate candidate Akin makes an outrageous statement and gets ostracized (rightfully so) by the GOP. Warren games the affirmative action system for 20 years and gets defended and embraced. Which was the larger offense?



    Warren was gaming the system?  Again: no proof.  No proof she is lying about her heritage.  No prrof she got a benefit from that heritage.  But you don't care.  Smear away.  It's what conservative like to do.  

     
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    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    Can anybody tell me on what page in the history books does it go into detail about brown serving in Afghanistan ? Or is that just another example of "Stolen Valor " by the "Colonel"?

     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from massmoderateJoe. Show massmoderateJoe's posts

    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

    Yes, she got her Harvard job because she decided to check the box, and was involved with cases before SCOTUS because UPenn and later Harvard hired her, (after she checked the box). 

    She checked "the box" for her 1985 UPenn Hiring and it was still checked for her Harvard hiring. Harvard touted her as a person of color in the Crimson. She took advantage of an affirmative action philosophy to game the afirmative action system; thus a question of character. She used her family lore, and an old recipe for her entry into minority status in the 1984 Pow Wow Chow cookbook. Liberals should be outraged by her gaming the system; but then again she supports their views so its easy to have a blind eye. She never lived like a minority and she didn't deserve any affirmative hiring action. GOP Senate candidate Akin makes an outrageous statement and gets ostracized (rightfully so) by the GOP. Warren games the affirmative action system for 20 years and gets defended and embraced. Which was the larger offense?



    Warren was gaming the system?  Again: no proof.  No proof she is lying about her heritage.  No prrof she got a benefit from that heritage.  But you don't care.  Smear away.  It's what conservative like to do.  



    Let's see, she kept her family lore about a distant grandparent and her being 1/32 native american to herself until Pow Wow Chow came out in 1984.  I would guess this innocent declaration to be Cherokee in the cook book just got overplayed when she checked the box on her UPenn application when she was hired in 1985, she continued to be noted as native american in collegiate listings and then Harvard (who needed to improve their diversity numbers) picks up Warren and touts her in an issue of Harvard Crimson.

    This all may have started innocently enough but it doesn't change the fact that she got affirmative action benefit from a minuscule percentlage of native american heritage, when she never suffered any disadvantage of having live as a native american.

    Yeah she gamed the system inadvertantly or by design but it is what it is .

     
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    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

    Yes, she got her Harvard job because she decided to check the box, and was involved with cases before SCOTUS because UPenn and later Harvard hired her, (after she checked the box). 

    She checked "the box" for her 1985 UPenn Hiring and it was still checked for her Harvard hiring. Harvard touted her as a person of color in the Crimson. She took advantage of an affirmative action philosophy to game the afirmative action system; thus a question of character. She used her family lore, and an old recipe for her entry into minority status in the 1984 Pow Wow Chow cookbook. Liberals should be outraged by her gaming the system; but then again she supports their views so its easy to have a blind eye. She never lived like a minority and she didn't deserve any affirmative hiring action. GOP Senate candidate Akin makes an outrageous statement and gets ostracized (rightfully so) by the GOP. Warren games the affirmative action system for 20 years and gets defended and embraced. Which was the larger offense?



    Warren was gaming the system?  Again: no proof.  No proof she is lying about her heritage.  No prrof she got a benefit from that heritage.  But you don't care.  Smear away.  It's what conservative like to do.  



    Right wing Racism = Left wing Affirmative action

    It's all what you want to call it Ruby, but they are the same, and interchangeable.

     

     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from Firewind. Show Firewind's posts

    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    Where's the lie?  Following on to miscricket's comment, Ms. Warren's parents eloped because her grandparents were ashamed.  Pretty powerful recent family history.  I believe that she believes it.  And that it informs her sensibilities about racism, bigotry, prejudice.  Not a bad sensitivity for governing in the present day, though you wouldn't get that impression from this forum. 

     
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    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    I base my contention that she is a liar on the preponderance of evidence that her family has always self-identified as white. This lady, a Cherokee herself who seemingly would otherwise not have a dog in this fight, has researched Warren's ancestry and has come to some obvious conclusions:

     

    http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/p/elizabeth-warren-information.html

    Elizabeth Warren is a candidate for the U.S. Senate from the state of Massachusetts. She claims she is of Cherokee descent. She has come under fire for possibly using that claim to give her career a boost at a time when Harvard Law was under pressure to hire more minority professors. We have done extensive research on her ancestry and on the stories she has told trying to back up her claim. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest she actually had a Cherokee or American Indian ancestor. Despite repeated requests for her to release her personnel records from the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard Law School, she refuses to do so.

     

    Read the whole thing, it's damning.

     

    Again, this is not a Republican operative or conservative activist saying this. This is a woman from Oklahoma whose primary interest is Cherokee history and geneology. Think about it, if Warren truly had Cherokee ancestry she'd be celebrated by the Cherokee people, not regarded as a fraud.

     

     

     

     
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    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    A record unearthed Monday shows that US Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren has a great-great-great grandmother listed in an 1894 document as a Cherokee, said a genealogist at the New England Historic and Genealogy Society.
    But Monday afternoon, he said, he discovered a few links. Warren’s great-great-great grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, is listed on her son’s 1894 application for a marriage license as a Cherokee.
    Child also found that Warren’s great-grandfather, John Houston Crawford, had lived in Native American territory, but identified himself as white in a 1900 census.

    http://articles.boston.com/2012-04-30/metro/31488941_1_cherokee-nation-elizabeth-warren-official-dawes-commission-rolls

     
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    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    Elizabeth Warren's embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    "She would be 1/32nd of Elizabeth Warren's total ancestry," noted genealogist Christopher Child said, referring to the candidate's great-great-great-grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, who is listed on an Oklahoma marriage certificate as Cherokee. Smith is an ancestor on Warren's mother's side, Child said.

    http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1061128421

     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from Firewind. Show Firewind's posts

    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

    Yes, she got her Harvard job because she decided to check the box, and was involved with cases before SCOTUS because UPenn and later Harvard hired her, (after she checked the box). 

    She checked "the box" for her 1985 UPenn Hiring and it was still checked for her Harvard hiring. Harvard touted her as a person of color in the Crimson. She took advantage of an affirmative action philosophy to game the afirmative action system; thus a question of character. She used her family lore, and an old recipe for her entry into minority status in the 1984 Pow Wow Chow cookbook. Liberals should be outraged by her gaming the system; but then again she supports their views so its easy to have a blind eye. She never lived like a minority and she didn't deserve any affirmative hiring action. GOP Senate candidate Akin makes an outrageous statement and gets ostracized (rightfully so) by the GOP. Warren games the affirmative action system for 20 years and gets defended and embraced. Which was the larger offense?



    And massmoderateJoe may completely believe that he is moderate, because in his personal life he knows people to the right of him.  Though he has acknowledged here that he lives and votes in New Hampshire, and he's never acknowledged anyone to the right of him here where he relies on the handle until questioned.  Is he "Joe" or an "average Joe"  like "Joe the plumber"?  Who knows?  Does it matter?

    Then, there are the Virginians and the guy from New York who dips in here now and then, and the Brit, who would have us believe that they're around here.  Does it matter?

     
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    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

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    Let's see, she kept her family lore about a distant grandparent and her being 1/32 native american to herself until Pow Wow Chow came out in 1984.  I would guess this innocent declaration to be Cherokee in the cook book just got overplayed when she checked the box on her UPenn application when she was hired in 1985, she continued to be noted as native american in collegiate listings and then Harvard (who needed to improve their diversity numbers) picks up Warren and touts her in an issue of Harvard Crimson.

    This all may have started innocently enough but it doesn't change the fact that she got affirmative action benefit from a minuscule percentlage of native american heritage, when she never suffered any disadvantage of having live as a native american.

    Yeah she gamed the system inadvertantly or by design but it is what it is .

    [/QUOTE]

    So no proof that she lied about her heritage.  And her employers say it was not a factor, yet you know somehow or other she did.  Pretty thin stuff.  At least you seem to be backtracking from the "liar" smear that other conservatives are popularizing.  

     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from Reubenhop. Show Reubenhop's posts

    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

     

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    Right wing Racism = Left wing Affirmative action

    It's all what you want to call it Ruby, but they are the same, and interchangeable.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Liberal attempts over a generation or two to remedy a couple hundred years of right wing racism are hardly equivalent.  How many people were killed or physically brutalized through Affirmative Action?  How many through the institution of slavery and segregation?  Even your limited intellect should see a difference.

     
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    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    I think it is safe to say that she used the native American Indian thing to her advantage.  Despite there being no proof, I believe it just as she believed her parents.  If her mother was truly Native American, there would be some better stories from her about her ancestry.

    Saying that, Scott Brown is annoying and it is time to say so long to the rino.

     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from 12-Angry-Men. Show 12-Angry-Men's posts

    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    In response to jackbu's comment:

    I think it is safe to say that she used the native American Indian thing to her advantage.  Despite there being no proof, I believe it just as she believed her parents.  If her mother was truly Native American, there would be some better stories from her about her ancestry. Saying that, Scott Brown is annoying and it is time to say so long to the rino.



    Ummm, no proof? The Boston Herald begs to disagree.

     

    Elizabeth Warren's embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    "She would be 1/32nd of Elizabeth Warren's total ancestry," noted genealogist Christopher Child said, referring to the candidate's great-great-great-grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, who is listed on an Oklahoma marriage certificate as Cherokee. Smith is an ancestor on Warren's mother's side, Child said.

    http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1061128421

     
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    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    In response to cookie-rojas' comment:

     ...Ruby...

     



    The continual reminders  ...of Mr. Rumsfeld's most famous quotation.

     
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    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

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    Elizabeth Warren's embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    "She would be 1/32nd of Elizabeth Warren's total ancestry," noted genealogist Christopher Child said, referring to the candidate's great-great-great-grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, who is listed on an Oklahoma marriage certificate as Cherokee. Smith is an ancestor on Warren's mother's side, Child said.

    http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1061128421




    That was proven to be false. The document does not exist.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/11/warrens-cherokee-claim-based-on-family-newsletter-no-marriage-license-application-to-be-found

     

     

     

     
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    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

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    Ummm, no it hasn't.

    She would be 1/32nd of Elizabeth Warren's total ancestry," noted genealogist Christopher Child said, referring to the candidate's great-great-great-grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, who is listed on an Oklahoma marriage certificate as Cherokee. Smith is an ancestor on Warren's mother's side, Child said.

     

    Breitbart;

    original May 12, 1894 marriage license and the corresponding May 13, 1894 certificate of marriage of William J Crawford, great-great-grand uncle of Elizabeth Warren, and Mary E. (Long) Wolford

    ....both groom William J. Crawford and bride Mary E. (Long) Wolford left the column blank.

     

    Different people.

    Nice try though

     
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    Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history

    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

    He's racist for pointing out that she lied about and benefitted from lying about her race. Okay, I guess I need to think about that one.

     




    This is not true.  And you don't care.  Just like Brown.  If smears get you elected it is all good apparently.  The fact that it is a smear that appeals to nativist prejudice makes it doubly immoral.  But if it works it is just fine.  The end justifies the means...




    It is calling out an obvious fraud, not a smear against native americans.

    You are clueless on this.  The grandfather who supposedly was cherokee?  Reported in a news paper as a "white man" who shot an indian.

    Get a clue Rube.  she has not been able to back up her assertion, and the evidence keeps piling up. Warren is the lowest of people, falsely claiming minority status to get ahead.  A real winner in liberal circles.

     
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