Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/12/2012 6:18 PM EDT
In response to 12-Angry-Men's comment:
Elizabeth Warren's embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago
"She would be 1/32nd of Elizabeth Warren's total ancestry," noted genealogist Christopher Child said, referring to the candidate's great-great-great-grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, who is listed on an Oklahoma marriage certificate as Cherokee. Smith is an ancestor on Warren's mother's side, Child said.
http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1061128421
That was proven to be false. The document does not exist.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/11/warrens-cherokee-claim-based-on-family-newsletter-no-marriage-license-application-to-be-found
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Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/12/2012 7:05 PM EDT
- skeeter20
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In response to Reubenhop's comment:
In response to StalkingButler's comment:
He's racist for pointing out that she lied about and benefitted from lying about her race. Okay, I guess I need to think about that one.
This is not true. And you don't care. Just like Brown. If smears get you elected it is all good apparently. The fact that it is a smear that appeals to nativist prejudice makes it doubly immoral. But if it works it is just fine. The end justifies the means...
It is calling out an obvious fraud, not a smear against native americans.
You are clueless on this. The grandfather who supposedly was cherokee? Reported in a news paper as a "white man" who shot an indian.
Get a clue Rube. she has not been able to back up her assertion, and the evidence keeps piling up. Warren is the lowest of people, falsely claiming minority status to get ahead. A real winner in liberal circles.
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/13/2012 10:24 AM EDT
Different people. Nice try though
Try this one then:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/14/Amateur-Genealogist-Who-Backed-Cherokee-Warren-Now-Admits-Mistake
Lynda Smith, the amateur genealogist who unknowingly found herself at the root of the false âÂÂElizabeth Warren is 1/32 Cherokeeâ meme introduced to the media by âÂÂnotedâ genealogist Chris Child of the New England Historic Genealogical Society, acknowledged in an email to me this past Saturday, May 12, that her statement in a March 2006 family newsletter upon which Mr. Child based his claim of Ms. WarrenâÂÂs Cherokee ancestry was made with no supporting documentation. It was, in fact, an honest mistake that Ms. Smith now acknowledges is entirely without foundation.
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/13/2012 10:27 AM EDT
- miscricket
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In response to AlleyCatBruin's comment:
In response to miscricket's comment:
In response to StalkingButler's comment:
He's racist for pointing out that she lied about and benefitted from lying about her race. Okay, I guess I need to think about that one.
Except there is no proof that she lied about having Native American heritage. Even Brown..in the second debate..had to back away from that claim since there is no way to prove it one way or another. Added to that..she checked that box in a directory..not on a job application or anything else. The only one who really benefitted from that checked box was Harvard..since it gave them bragging rights..at least for a small amount of time.
He comes across as someone who doesn't understand race when he makes comments like "you can tell by looking at her that she's not Native American".
This issue was and continues to be a non starter for him. Simple as that. If Brown loses the election it will be because of his insistance in making an issue out of something that isn't. Most people who come from families of diverse background completely understand this.
Great post, miscricket!
Thanks Alleycat :-) btw..I miss the music videos and recommendations.. Hopefully that will be rectified soon!
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/13/2012 10:31 AM EDT
- miscricket
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In response to AlleyCatBruin's comment:
In response to Sistersledge's comment:
Can anybody tell me on what page in the history books does it go into detail about brown serving in Afghanistan ? Or is that just another example of "Stolen Valor " by the "Colonel"?
Maybe he defended the people of Maryland during bad weather?
I
can answer that question. As most know..National Guard members have to complete 2 weeks of training every year. A couple of years ago, Brown put in a request to do his two weeks of training in Afghanistan..which he did. I imagine so that he could make the claim that he "served in Afghanistan" This claim of "serving in Afghanistan" by him is..to me...more insulting and offensive than Warren's heritage controversy. For Brown to compare himself to troops who serve tours of duty that last for months and years is shameful and insulting to the people who are truly serving in Afghanistan.
His campaign slogan should be "Brown the Clown".
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/13/2012 10:31 AM EDT
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In response to miscricket's comment:
In response to AlleyCatBruin's comment:
In response to miscricket's comment:
In response to StalkingButler's comment:
He's racist for pointing out that she lied about and benefitted from lying about her race. Okay, I guess I need to think about that one.
Except there is no proof that she lied about having Native American heritage. Even Brown..in the second debate..had to back away from that claim since there is no way to prove it one way or another. Added to that..she checked that box in a directory..not on a job application or anything else. The only one who really benefitted from that checked box was Harvard..since it gave them bragging rights..at least for a small amount of time.
He comes across as someone who doesn't understand race when he makes comments like "you can tell by looking at her that she's not Native American".
This issue was and continues to be a non starter for him. Simple as that. If Brown loses the election it will be because of his insistance in making an issue out of something that isn't. Most people who come from families of diverse background completely understand this.
Great post, miscricket!
Thanks Alleycat :-) btw..I miss the music videos and recommendations.. Hopefully that will be rectified soon!
"Except there is no proof that she lied about having Native American heritage."
All the proof points to the opposite conclusion, yet you give Warren a pass. Why do you insist on supporting someone who on the face of it is likely a liar?
If I tell you I'm an Eskimo, becasue my father told me I was full of blubber, and I am Eskimo until you prove me wrong? How could you possibly prove me wrong? After all, my father told me such, so, I guess I am an Eskimo.
Prove me wrong. Prove I am not an Eskimo.
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Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/13/2012 10:39 AM EDT
- skeeter20
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In response to miscricket's comment:
In response to AlleyCatBruin's comment:
In response to Sistersledge's comment:
Can anybody tell me on what page in the history books does it go into detail about brown serving in Afghanistan ? Or is that just another example of "Stolen Valor " by the "Colonel"?
Maybe he defended the people of Maryland during bad weather?
I
can answer that question. As most know..National Guard members have to complete 2 weeks of training every year. A couple of years ago, Brown put in a request to do his two weeks of training in Afghanistan..which he did. I imagine so that he could make the claim that he "served in Afghanistan" This claim of "serving in Afghanistan" by him is..to me...more insulting and offensive than Warren's heritage controversy. For Brown to compare himself to troops who serve tours of duty that last for months and years is shameful and insulting to the people who are truly serving in Afghanistan.
His campaign slogan should be "Brown the Clown".
You seem to know everythign about Brown's motivations, yet you claim complete ignorance about Warren's motivations.
Huh.
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/13/2012 10:39 AM EDT
- miscricket
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"Except there is no proof that she lied about having Native American heritage."
All the proof points to the opposite conclusion, yet you give Warren a pass. Why do you insist on supporting someone who on the face of it is likely a liar?
If I tell you I'm an Eskimo, becasue my father told me I was full of blubber, and I am Eskimo until you prove me wrong? How could you possibly prove me wrong? After all, my father told me such, so, I guess I am an Eskimo.
Prove me wrong. Prove I am not an Eskimo.
[/QUOTE]
Based on a statement that your dad told you that you were full of blubber? Probably not, because I recognize a joke when I hear it. However, if you told me that your dad told you that you had Eskimo heritage and that your grandparents were forced to elope because your grandfather's family did not approve of your grandmother's eskimo heritage? If you told me that story, I would believe you...because why would your family lie about something like that?
I didn't know until after high school that I had any French or Irish heritage because my primary caregiver was my very Italian grandmother who did not like my father's family.
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/13/2012 10:43 AM EDT
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In response to msobstinate99's comment:
In response to skeeter20's comment:
In response to miscricket's comment:
In response to AlleyCatBruin's comment:
In response to miscricket's comment:
In response to StalkingButler's comment:
He's racist for pointing out that she lied about and benefitted from lying about her race. Okay, I guess I need to think about that one.
Except there is no proof that she lied about having Native American heritage. Even Brown..in the second debate..had to back away from that claim since there is no way to prove it one way or another. Added to that..she checked that box in a directory..not on a job application or anything else. The only one who really benefitted from that checked box was Harvard..since it gave them bragging rights..at least for a small amount of time.
He comes across as someone who doesn't understand race when he makes comments like "you can tell by looking at her that she's not Native American".
This issue was and continues to be a non starter for him. Simple as that. If Brown loses the election it will be because of his insistance in making an issue out of something that isn't. Most people who come from families of diverse background completely understand this.
Great post, miscricket!
Thanks Alleycat :-) btw..I miss the music videos and recommendations.. Hopefully that will be rectified soon!
"Except there is no proof that she lied about having Native American heritage."
All the proof points to the opposite conclusion, yet you give Warren a pass. Why do you insist on supporting someone who on the face of it is likely a liar?
If I tell you I'm an Eskimo, becasue my father told me I was full of blubber, and I am Eskimo until you prove me wrong? How could you possibly prove me wrong? After all, my father told me such, so, I guess I am an Eskimo.
Prove me wrong. Prove I am not an Eskimo.
My daddy told me I was a princess.
Obama told his classmates he was an African prince.
I guess in the brave new world, we are whom ever we want to be, truth be darned.
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/13/2012 2:58 PM EDT
In response to miscricket's comment:
In response to AlleyCatBruin's comment:
In response to miscricket's comment:
In response to StalkingButler's comment:
He's racist for pointing out that she lied about and benefitted from lying about her race. Okay, I guess I need to think about that one.
Except there is no proof that she lied about having Native American heritage. Even Brown..in the second debate..had to back away from that claim since there is no way to prove it one way or another. Added to that..she checked that box in a directory..not on a job application or anything else. The only one who really benefitted from that checked box was Harvard..since it gave them bragging rights..at least for a small amount of time.
He comes across as someone who doesn't understand race when he makes comments like "you can tell by looking at her that she's not Native American".
This issue was and continues to be a non starter for him. Simple as that. If Brown loses the election it will be because of his insistance in making an issue out of something that isn't. Most people who come from families of diverse background completely understand this.
Great post, miscricket!
Thanks Alleycat :-) btw..I miss the music videos and recommendations.. Hopefully that will be rectified soon!
You're welcome! Do they plan to let us have bogs on here again? That was fun.
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/13/2012 3:00 PM EDT
In response to miscricket's comment:
In response to AlleyCatBruin's comment:
In response to Sistersledge's comment:
Can anybody tell me on what page in the history books does it go into detail about brown serving in Afghanistan ? Or is that just another example of "Stolen Valor " by the "Colonel"?
Maybe he defended the people of Maryland during bad weather?
I
can answer that question. As most know..National Guard members have to complete 2 weeks of training every year. A couple of years ago, Brown put in a request to do his two weeks of training in Afghanistan..which he did. I imagine so that he could make the claim that he "served in Afghanistan" This claim of "serving in Afghanistan" by him is..to me...more insulting and offensive than Warren's heritage controversy. For Brown to compare himself to troops who serve tours of duty that last for months and years is shameful and insulting to the people who are truly serving in Afghanistan.
His campaign slogan should be "Brown the Clown".
Or Brown the Maryland Clown.................
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/13/2012 3:04 PM EDT
In response to miscricket's comment:
"Except there is no proof that she lied about having Native American heritage."
All the proof points to the opposite conclusion, yet you give Warren a pass. Why do you insist on supporting someone who on the face of it is likely a liar?
If I tell you I'm an Eskimo, becasue my father told me I was full of blubber, and I am Eskimo until you prove me wrong? How could you possibly prove me wrong? After all, my father told me such, so, I guess I am an Eskimo.
Prove me wrong. Prove I am not an Eskimo.
[/QUOTE]
Based on a statement that your dad told you that you were full of blubber? Probably not, because I recognize a joke when I hear it. However, if you told me that your dad told you that you had Eskimo heritage and that your grandparents were forced to elope because your grandfather's family did not approve of your grandmother's eskimo heritage? If you told me that story, I would believe you...because why would your family lie about something like that?
I didn't know until after high school that I had any French or Irish heritage because my primary caregiver was my very Italian grandmother who did not like my father's family.
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I'm of Latino/Keltic heritage. Interesting combination, as is French/Irish. I can celebrate Cinco de Mayo and St. Paddy's Day. It's all good:)..............
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/13/2012 4:21 PM EDT
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In response to 12-Angry-Men's comment:
A record unearthed Monday shows that US Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren has a great-great-great grandmother listed in an 1894 document as a Cherokee, said a genealogist at the New England Historic and Genealogy Society.
But Monday afternoon, he said, he discovered a few links. Warrenâs great-great-great grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, is listed on her sonâs 1894 application for a marriage license as a Cherokee.
Child also found that Warrenâs great-grandfather, John Houston Crawford, had lived in Native American territory, but identified himself as white in a 1900 census.
http://articles.boston.com/2012-04-30/metro/31488941_1_cherokee-nation-elizabeth-warren-official-dawes-commission-rolls
That's fantastic. Just think, Elizabeth Warren can trace her Indian heritage and maybe publish a book with all the free time she will have after November. It's good that she has a hobby.
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/13/2012 4:25 PM EDT
- miscricket
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In response to msobstinate99's comment:
In response to skeeter20's comment:
"Except there is no proof that she lied about having Native American heritage."
All the proof points to the opposite conclusion, yet you give Warren a pass. Why do you insist on supporting someone who on the face of it is likely a liar?
If I tell you I'm an Eskimo, becasue my father told me I was full of blubber, and I am Eskimo until you prove me wrong? How could you possibly prove me wrong? After all, my father told me such, so, I guess I am an Eskimo.
Prove me wrong. Prove I am not an Eskimo.
My daddy told me I was a princess.
[/QUOTE]
So to recap...Skeeter's dad told him he was full of blubber and msobstinate was told they were a princess.
Hmm..okay..I'll buy both of those things...lol
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/13/2012 4:28 PM EDT
- miscricket
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In response to AlleyCatBruin's comment:
In response to miscricket's comment:
In response to AlleyCatBruin's comment:
In response to miscricket's comment:
In response to StalkingButler's comment:
He's racist for pointing out that she lied about and benefitted from lying about her race. Okay, I guess I need to think about that one.
Except there is no proof that she lied about having Native American heritage. Even Brown..in the second debate..had to back away from that claim since there is no way to prove it one way or another. Added to that..she checked that box in a directory..not on a job application or anything else. The only one who really benefitted from that checked box was Harvard..since it gave them bragging rights..at least for a small amount of time.
He comes across as someone who doesn't understand race when he makes comments like "you can tell by looking at her that she's not Native American".
This issue was and continues to be a non starter for him. Simple as that. If Brown loses the election it will be because of his insistance in making an issue out of something that isn't. Most people who come from families of diverse background completely understand this.
Great post, miscricket!
Thanks Alleycat :-) btw..I miss the music videos and recommendations.. Hopefully that will be rectified soon!
You're welcome! Do they plan to let us have bogs on here again? That was fun.
I agree. Not sure if they are planning to add them back. I thought originally the only feature that wasn't going to come back was the photo page..but not sure about the blog pages.
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/13/2012 8:26 PM EDT
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In response to skeeter20's comment:
If I tell you I'm an Eskimo, becasue my father told me I was full of blubber, and I am Eskimo until you prove me wrong? How could you possibly prove me wrong? After all, my father told me such, so, I guess I am an Eskimo.
Prove me wrong. Prove I am not an Eskimo.
Bingo. Next.
But I would be more than a little creeped out, if I were you, if I or anyone else obsessed about it.
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/13/2012 8:31 PM EDT
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In fact, if it were one on one and someone were obsessing about me, and not a melodrama on the big stage, with millions of dollars supporting the person obsessing, I might even entertain the idea of a temporary R/O. Racism aside.
You know, before it got out of hand...
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Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/15/2012 1:56 PM EDT
In response to msobstinate99's comment:
If Lizbeth can be an indian then I can be a princess. Oh and just the other day somebody told me I look like a greek goddess.
Of course, poor dear.
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/15/2012 2:22 PM EDT
In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:
She never lived like a minority and she didn't deserve any affirmative hiring action. GOP Senate candidate Akin makes an outrageous statement and gets ostracized (rightfully so) by the GOP. Warren games the affirmative action system for 20 years and gets defended and embraced. Which was the larger offense?
She went with what her family told her. Apparently it is also very common to have or be told one has Indian blood, in those parts. Moreover, the way records were kept made it very easy for someone to in fact have Indian blood but no official form signed and filed in triplicate to that effect. There was nothing wrong with her believing what she was told.
However, becuase benefits might obtain from checking a minority box, Warren was reckless at worst, negligent at best.
Nobody who accuses her of "lying" has anything to say about honesty.
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/15/2012 2:25 PM EDT
In response to skeeter20's comment:
If I tell you I'm an Eskimo, becasue my father told me I was full of blubber
Then I'd conclude that you were just as stupid as I thought, because being full of blubber means you're fat, not that you're an Eskimo.
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/15/2012 2:36 PM EDT
- skeeter20
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In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:
In response to skeeter20's comment:
If I tell you I'm an Eskimo, becasue my father told me I was full of blubber
Then I'd conclude that you were just as stupid as I thought, because being full of blubber means you're fat, not that you're an Eskimo.
My Father told me I was an Eskimo, therefore I am.
The Warren/Descartes standard.
It also makes you racist for questioning my race.
Re: In the history books, Sen. Brown's campaign will be seen as the most racist in recent history
posted at 10/15/2012 2:37 PM EDT
- skeeter20
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In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:
In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:
She never lived like a minority and she didn't deserve any affirmative hiring action. GOP Senate candidate Akin makes an outrageous statement and gets ostracized (rightfully so) by the GOP. Warren games the affirmative action system for 20 years and gets defended and embraced. Which was the larger offense?
She went with what her family told her. Apparently it is also very common to have or be told one has Indian blood, in those parts. Moreover, the way records were kept made it very easy for someone to in fact have Indian blood but no official form signed and filed in triplicate to that effect. There was nothing wrong with her believing what she was told.
However, becuase benefits might obtain from checking a minority box, Warren was reckless at worst, negligent at best.
Nobody who accuses her of "lying" has anything to say about honesty.
So, what is the staute of limitation once she realizes her family is worng?
How long does you have before she admits to her mistake?
