Increased minimum wage will lead to more restaurant automation and loss of 750,000 jobs

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    Increased minimum wage will lead to more restaurant automation and loss of 750,000 jobs

    WSJ:

    Ten years ago it might have seemed far-fetched that a customer could order food in a restaurant without speaking to anyone. But it’s a reality now as service employers across the country—including Chili’s, Chevys Fresh Mex and California Pizza Kitchen—introduce tabletop ordering devices. A few clicks on an iPad-like device and the food is on its way.

    Technology has made these changes possible, but that’s not what’s driving their implementation. Steady federal and state increases to the minimum wage have forced employers in retail and service industries to rely on technology as the government makes entry-level labor more expensive. Now Democrats are pushing to raise the federal minimum wage to $10.10 from $7.25 at the behest of President Obama, who argued in his State of the Union address that the increase would “help families.” Lawmakers should consider the technology trend a warning.

    Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates made the connection in a recent interview on MSNBC. Asked if he supported a higher minimum wage, Mr. Gates urged caution and said the policy would create an incentive for employers to “buy machines and automate things”…

    …”Efficiency” is the positive public face of these changes. Chris Sullivan —a co-founder of Outback Steakhouse who now works with MenuPad, a tablet-ordering company—explained his product to me this way: “It increases productivity, allowing servers to wait on more tables.” That means tips may increase for some.

    But the flip-side of more efficiency is a 20%-25% drop in the number of waitstaff necessary to run a restaurant. Currently, a worker who earns tips can be paid below minimum wage, allowing tips to make up the difference. But the $10.10 proposal would raise the minimum tip wage to $7.07 from $2.13, a 232% spike. With roughly three million current tipped jobs in the U.S., that could amount to as many as 750,000 fewer entry-level opportunities if implemented widely."

    Far from the first time progressive's good intentions cause ruination.

     
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    Re: Increased minimum wage will lead to more restaurant automation and loss of 750,000 jobs

    Silly fear-mongering. The article does not quote Bill Gates' in full, and doesn't provide any evidence to back up its predictions. It just tells you bad things will happen, and because there's a D trying to make those things happen, you believe it immediately.

     

     


    Why didn't you just stick to the last thread that said exactly the same thing?

     
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    Re: Increased minimum wage will lead to more restaurant automation and loss of 750,000 jobs

    common sense still elludes the leftwing mind. They need evidence that if something costs more people will buy less? 

     
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    Re: Increased minimum wage will lead to more restaurant automation and loss of 750,000 jobs

    In response to twelve_angry_men's comment:
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    So the argument is:

    As technology gets cheaper and cheaper, human wages must decrease more and more so as to compete.

    So these dipsticks think that by reducing wages it will stave off the inevitable move towards technology.

    Freaking hilarious!!!

    I guess if only the ice delivery people had only found a cheaper recipe for ice there wouldn't be a refridgerator in every home in the country....

    If those greedy horses didn't unionize then we'd all have a buggy in every garage ...

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    That isn't the argument they are making. You are making up stuff. 

    If people worked for free, there would be less of a reason to automate than if they had to be paid $100 an hour. No one is saying pay people less to stave off automation.

    Implementing technology costs money. If they have to pay workers more then the justification for buying the technology, installing it and training people to use it is easier to make. Maybe some could justify it without the increase in min wage, maybe some couldn't. Who knows?

     

     
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

    common sense still elludes the leftwing mind. They need evidence that if something costs more people will buy less? 




    Economic analysis typically involves things like math and facts.


    Simply asserting that a $10 minimum wage will mean less jobs is meaningless. It's a political propoganda statement, but that's about all.

     
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    If people worked for free, there would be less of a reason to automate than if they had to be paid $100 an hour. No one is saying pay people less to stave off automation



    We aren't talking about free or $100 (always with extremes, right?).

     

    We're talking about raising the minimum wage back to what it used to be......when McDonald's was doing its best.

     

     

    And 12AM most certainly is not making a strawman argument. If your reason for opposing a raise of the minimum wage to $10 is that you think (without evidence/citation/etc) that workers will be replaced with automation.....then once the technology gets a little cheaper in several years, what's to stop you from arguing for reducing the minimum wage to prevent further automation?

    Nothing. Indeed, weren't you arguing in favor of laugher's claim that we should get rid of the minimum wage or at least slash it to $4/hr? (Because more people on the safetynet would be a good thing, I guess)

     

     

    It's transparent. You've simply swallowed hook line and sinker the GOP's message that what's best for a business owner is best for society.

    But we've already learned the hard way that that simply isn't true.

     
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
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    common sense still elludes the leftwing mind. They need evidence that if something costs more people will buy less? 

    [/QUOTE]

    So... paying people more will result in higher costs. But paying people more also somehow means they will spend less?

     

     

     
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    Re: Increased minimum wage will lead to more restaurant automation and loss of 750,000 jobs

    Facts?

    Forbes:

    most of these [mim. wage] workers are not poor and are not trying to support a family on only their earnings. In fact, according to a recent study, 63 percent of workers who earn less than $9.50 per hour (well over the minimum wage of $7.25) are the second or third earner in their family and 43 percent of these workers live in households that earn over $50,000 per year. Thus, minimum wage earners are not a uniformly poor and struggling group; many are teenagers from middle class families and many more are sharing the burden of providing for their families, not carrying the load all by themselves.

    This group of workers is also shrinking. In 1980, 15 percent of hourly workers earned the minimum wage. Today that share is down to only 4.7 percent. Further, almost two-thirds of today’s minimum wage workers are in the service industry and nearly half work in food service.

    .....the debate has little to do with helping the poor. Instead, this is really a debate about income redistribution. Raising the minimum wage is actually just an attempt by liberals to punish a subset of business owners by redistributing a share of their supposed wealth to their employees. It is just another attempt at class warfare. Unfortunately, in many cases (including restaurants), the minimum wage increase results in price increases paid by the customers; customers who may be no richer than the workers whose pay increase they are being forced to fund.

    If society believes in creating a minimum standard of living, the way to implement it is through mechanisms like the earned income tax credit, not the minimum wage.

     
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    Facts?

    Forbes:

    most of these [mim. wage] workers are not poor and are not trying to support a family on only their earnings. In fact, according to a recent study, 63 percent of workers who earn less than $9.50 per hour (well over the minimum wage of $7.25) are the second or third earner in their family and 43 percent of these workers live in households that earn over $50,000 per year. Thus, minimum wage earners are not a uniformly poor and struggling group; many are teenagers from middle class families and many more are sharing the burden of providing for their families, not carrying the load all by themselves.

    This group of workers is also shrinking. In 1980, 15 percent of hourly workers earned the minimum wage. Today that share is down to only 4.7 percent. Further, almost two-thirds of today’s minimum wage workers are in the service industry and nearly half work in food service.

    .....the debate has little to do with helping the poor. Instead, this is really a debate about income redistribution. Raising the minimum wage is actually just an attempt by liberals to punish a subset of business owners by redistributing a share of their supposed wealth to their employees. It is just another attempt at class warfare. Unfortunately, in many cases (including restaurants), the minimum wage increase results in price increases paid by the customers; customers who may be no richer than the workers whose pay increase they are being forced to fund.

    If society believes in creating a minimum standard of living, the way to implement it is through mechanisms like the earned income tax credit, not the minimum wage.

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    This says nothing about whether raising the minimum wage will cause people to lose jobs.


    Try to stay on the subject.

     

    (Oh, and, FYI, a super-low minimum wage is just wealth redistribution to business owners; bet your masters didn't tell you that)

     
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    WSJ:

    Ten years ago it might have seemed far-fetched that a customer could order food in a restaurant without speaking to anyone. But it’s a reality now as service employers across the country—including Chili’s, Chevys Fresh Mex and California Pizza Kitchen—introduce tabletop ordering devices. A few clicks on an iPad-like device and the food is on its way.

    Technology has made these changes possible, but that’s not what’s driving their implementation. Steady federal and state increases to the minimum wage have forced employers in retail and service industries to rely on technology as the government makes entry-level labor more expensive. Now Democrats are pushing to raise the federal minimum wage to $10.10 from $7.25 at the behest of President Obama, who argued in his State of the Union address that the increase would “help families.” Lawmakers should consider the technology trend a warning.

    Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates made the connection in a recent interview on MSNBC. Asked if he supported a higher minimum wage, Mr. Gates urged caution and said the policy would create an incentive for employers to “buy machines and automate things”…

    …”Efficiency” is the positive public face of these changes. Chris Sullivan —a co-founder of Outback Steakhouse who now works with MenuPad, a tablet-ordering company—explained his product to me this way: “It increases productivity, allowing servers to wait on more tables.” That means tips may increase for some.

    But the flip-side of more efficiency is a 20%-25% drop in the number of waitstaff necessary to run a restaurant. Currently, a worker who earns tips can be paid below minimum wage, allowing tips to make up the difference. But the $10.10 proposal would raise the minimum tip wage to $7.07 from $2.13, a 232% spike. With roughly three million current tipped jobs in the U.S., that could amount to as many as 750,000 fewer entry-level opportunities if implemented widely."

    Far from the first time progressive's good intentions cause ruination.

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    Minimum wage going up will never hurt the level of service in restaurants.  Minimum wage is not the issue.  Top executives with their buy outs and gov't offcials under the radar who do nothing yet earn six figures are the problems.

     
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    In response to steven11's comment:
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    WSJ:

    Ten years ago it might have seemed far-fetched that a customer could order food in a restaurant without speaking to anyone. But it’s a reality now as service employers across the country—including Chili’s, Chevys Fresh Mex and California Pizza Kitchen—introduce tabletop ordering devices. A few clicks on an iPad-like device and the food is on its way.

    Technology has made these changes possible, but that’s not what’s driving their implementation. Steady federal and state increases to the minimum wage have forced employers in retail and service industries to rely on technology as the government makes entry-level labor more expensive. Now Democrats are pushing to raise the federal minimum wage to $10.10 from $7.25 at the behest of President Obama, who argued in his State of the Union address that the increase would “help families.” Lawmakers should consider the technology trend a warning.

    Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates made the connection in a recent interview on MSNBC. Asked if he supported a higher minimum wage, Mr. Gates urged caution and said the policy would create an incentive for employers to “buy machines and automate things”…

    …”Efficiency” is the positive public face of these changes. Chris Sullivan —a co-founder of Outback Steakhouse who now works with MenuPad, a tablet-ordering company—explained his product to me this way: “It increases productivity, allowing servers to wait on more tables.” That means tips may increase for some.

    But the flip-side of more efficiency is a 20%-25% drop in the number of waitstaff necessary to run a restaurant. Currently, a worker who earns tips can be paid below minimum wage, allowing tips to make up the difference. But the $10.10 proposal would raise the minimum tip wage to $7.07 from $2.13, a 232% spike. With roughly three million current tipped jobs in the U.S., that could amount to as many as 750,000 fewer entry-level opportunities if implemented widely."

    Far from the first time progressive's good intentions cause ruination.

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    Minimum wage going up will never hurt the level of service in restaurants.  Minimum wage is not the issue.  Top executives with their buy outs and gov't offcials under the radar who do nothing yet earn six figures are the problems.

    [/QUOTE]

    Class envy?  Really?  Is that all the regressives got?

    Five, going onto six years into the most progresssive administration ever, and guess what?  All your plans are failing.  The economy is only growing at all because stuff needs to be replaced, and the centerpiece health care reform is fundamentally transforming the best health care system in the world into something like what they have in Cuba. 

    We are poorer (middle class incomes down), less free (NSA spying on Americans, IRS targetting conservatives), and, we are less safe (Benghazi).  That is the regressive/Obama record.

    No wonder, the focus on income inequality, i.e. class envy.  Got to keep the low information voters thinking the CEO bosses are keeping them down.

    What rubbish.

     
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    WSJ:

    Ten years ago it might have seemed far-fetched that a customer could order food in a restaurant without speaking to anyone. But it’s a reality now as service employers across the country—including Chili’s, Chevys Fresh Mex and California Pizza Kitchen—introduce tabletop ordering devices. A few clicks on an iPad-like device and the food is on its way.

    Technology has made these changes possible, but that’s not what’s driving their implementation. Steady federal and state increases to the minimum wage have forced employers in retail and service industries to rely on technology as the government makes entry-level labor more expensive. Now Democrats are pushing to raise the federal minimum wage to $10.10 from $7.25 at the behest of President Obama, who argued in his State of the Union address that the increase would “help families.” Lawmakers should consider the technology trend a warning.

    Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates made the connection in a recent interview on MSNBC. Asked if he supported a higher minimum wage, Mr. Gates urged caution and said the policy would create an incentive for employers to “buy machines and automate things”…

    …”Efficiency” is the positive public face of these changes. Chris Sullivan —a co-founder of Outback Steakhouse who now works with MenuPad, a tablet-ordering company—explained his product to me this way: “It increases productivity, allowing servers to wait on more tables.” That means tips may increase for some.

    But the flip-side of more efficiency is a 20%-25% drop in the number of waitstaff necessary to run a restaurant. Currently, a worker who earns tips can be paid below minimum wage, allowing tips to make up the difference. But the $10.10 proposal would raise the minimum tip wage to $7.07 from $2.13, a 232% spike. With roughly three million current tipped jobs in the U.S., that could amount to as many as 750,000 fewer entry-level opportunities if implemented widely."

    Far from the first time progressive's good intentions cause ruination.

    [/QUOTE]


    Minimum wage going up will never hurt the level of service in restaurants.  Minimum wage is not the issue.  Top executives with their buy outs and gov't offcials under the radar who do nothing yet earn six figures are the problems.

    [/QUOTE]

    Class envy?  Really?  Is that all the regressives got?

    Five, going onto six years into the most progresssive administration ever, and guess what?  All your plans are failing.  The economy is only growing at all because stuff needs to be replaced, and the centerpiece health care reform is fundamentally transforming the best health care system in the world into something like what they have in Cuba. 

    We are poorer (middle class incomes down), less free (NSA spying on Americans, IRS targetting conservatives), and, we are less safe (Benghazi).  That is the regressive/Obama record.

    No wonder, the focus on income inequality, i.e. class envy.  Got to keep the low information voters thinking the CEO bosses are keeping them down.

    What rubbish.

    [/QUOTE]

    This is a far cry from the most progressive administration ever.

     
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    In response to ronreganfan's comment:
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    WSJ:

    Ten years ago it might have seemed far-fetched that a customer could order food in a restaurant without speaking to anyone. But it’s a reality now as service employers across the country—including Chili’s, Chevys Fresh Mex and California Pizza Kitchen—introduce tabletop ordering devices. A few clicks on an iPad-like device and the food is on its way.

    Technology has made these changes possible, but that’s not what’s driving their implementation. Steady federal and state increases to the minimum wage have forced employers in retail and service industries to rely on technology as the government makes entry-level labor more expensive. Now Democrats are pushing to raise the federal minimum wage to $10.10 from $7.25 at the behest of President Obama, who argued in his State of the Union address that the increase would “help families.” Lawmakers should consider the technology trend a warning.

    Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates made the connection in a recent interview on MSNBC. Asked if he supported a higher minimum wage, Mr. Gates urged caution and said the policy would create an incentive for employers to “buy machines and automate things”…

    …”Efficiency” is the positive public face of these changes. Chris Sullivan —a co-founder of Outback Steakhouse who now works with MenuPad, a tablet-ordering company—explained his product to me this way: “It increases productivity, allowing servers to wait on more tables.” That means tips may increase for some.

    But the flip-side of more efficiency is a 20%-25% drop in the number of waitstaff necessary to run a restaurant. Currently, a worker who earns tips can be paid below minimum wage, allowing tips to make up the difference. But the $10.10 proposal would raise the minimum tip wage to $7.07 from $2.13, a 232% spike. With roughly three million current tipped jobs in the U.S., that could amount to as many as 750,000 fewer entry-level opportunities if implemented widely."

    Far from the first time progressive's good intentions cause ruination.

    [/QUOTE]


    Minimum wage going up will never hurt the level of service in restaurants.  Minimum wage is not the issue.  Top executives with their buy outs and gov't offcials under the radar who do nothing yet earn six figures are the problems.

    [/QUOTE]

    Class envy?  Really?  Is that all the regressives got?

    Five, going onto six years into the most progresssive administration ever, and guess what?  All your plans are failing.  The economy is only growing at all because stuff needs to be replaced, and the centerpiece health care reform is fundamentally transforming the best health care system in the world into something like what they have in Cuba. 

    We are poorer (middle class incomes down), less free (NSA spying on Americans, IRS targetting conservatives), and, we are less safe (Benghazi).  That is the regressive/Obama record.

    No wonder, the focus on income inequality, i.e. class envy.  Got to keep the low information voters thinking the CEO bosses are keeping them down.

    What rubbish.

    [/QUOTE]


    We are coming out of a recession which explains most of the lowered income. Speaking of strawmen..most of those high incomes which existed before the recession were based on strawmen themselves..specifically the strawman of artificially inflated housing prices..the bubble that was doomed to burst..as it did.

    Added to that is that now the corporate environment is greedy and empowered with many of the largest corporations with only their record breaking profits in mind. Explain to the class how corporations are raking in record profits, Wall St. is up and yet main street wages are lower than they ever were..and the gap between rich and poor in the US rivals that of 3rd world countries.

    I suggest to you that most of this economic environment is the direct result of the Citizen's United decision. Money talks and those with deep pockets and purchase any politician they want...legally.

    As far as the argument from the right that higher wages result in job losses and more automation...explain Costco. I love to support this company with my shopping dollars because they get it.

     
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    >>>I suggest to you that most of this economic environment is the direct result of the Citizen's United decision. Money talks and those with deep pockets and purchase any politician they want...legally.<<<

     

    Assuming this is true, wouldn't it be a serious indictment of the Democrat party which has been able to control the federal government throughout the Citizens United era?

     

     

     
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    [QUOTE] a serious indictment of the Democrat party which has been able to control the federal government throughout the Citizens United era? QUOTE]



    /doodoo on the lib

    /rinse

    /repeat

     

     

     

     

    FUN!

     
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    WSJ:

    Ten years ago it might have seemed far-fetched that a customer could order food in a restaurant without speaking to anyone. But it’s a reality now as service employers across the country—including Chili’s, Chevys Fresh Mex and California Pizza Kitchen—introduce tabletop ordering devices. A few clicks on an iPad-like device and the food is on its way.

    Technology has made these changes possible, but that’s not what’s driving their implementation. Steady federal and state increases to the minimum wage have forced employers in retail and service industries to rely on technology as the government makes entry-level labor more expensive. Now Democrats are pushing to raise the federal minimum wage to $10.10 from $7.25 at the behest of President Obama, who argued in his State of the Union address that the increase would “help families.” Lawmakers should consider the technology trend a warning.

    Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates made the connection in a recent interview on MSNBC. Asked if he supported a higher minimum wage, Mr. Gates urged caution and said the policy would create an incentive for employers to “buy machines and automate things”…

    …”Efficiency” is the positive public face of these changes. Chris Sullivan —a co-founder of Outback Steakhouse who now works with MenuPad, a tablet-ordering company—explained his product to me this way: “It increases productivity, allowing servers to wait on more tables.” That means tips may increase for some.

    But the flip-side of more efficiency is a 20%-25% drop in the number of waitstaff necessary to run a restaurant. Currently, a worker who earns tips can be paid below minimum wage, allowing tips to make up the difference. But the $10.10 proposal would raise the minimum tip wage to $7.07 from $2.13, a 232% spike. With roughly three million current tipped jobs in the U.S., that could amount to as many as 750,000 fewer entry-level opportunities if implemented widely."

    Far from the first time progressive's good intentions cause ruination.

    [/QUOTE]


    Minimum wage going up will never hurt the level of service in restaurants.  Minimum wage is not the issue.  Top executives with their buy outs and gov't offcials under the radar who do nothing yet earn six figures are the problems.

    [/QUOTE]

    Class envy?  Really?  Is that all the regressives got?

    Five, going onto six years into the most progresssive administration ever, and guess what?  All your plans are failing.  The economy is only growing at all because stuff needs to be replaced, and the centerpiece health care reform is fundamentally transforming the best health care system in the world into something like what they have in Cuba. 

    We are poorer (middle class incomes down), less free (NSA spying on Americans, IRS targetting conservatives), and, we are less safe (Benghazi).  That is the regressive/Obama record.

    No wonder, the focus on income inequality, i.e. class envy.  Got to keep the low information voters thinking the CEO bosses are keeping them down.

    What rubbish.

    [/QUOTE]

    This is a far cry from the most progressive administration ever.

    [/QUOTE]

    Got a more progressive one?   I'm all ears.

     
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    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

    >>>I suggest to you that most of this economic environment is the direct result of the Citizen's United decision. Money talks and those with deep pockets and purchase any politician they want...legally.<<<

     

    Assuming this is true, wouldn't it be a serious indictment of the Democrat party which has been able to control the federal government throughout the Citizens United era?

     

     



    According to regressives, it is the party that controls one half of one third of the Federal government that is the problem.

    What haven't the radicals not gotten through that is critical to their agenda?  We got Obamacare, we got wild, out of control spending, higher taxes, the Dream act via executive order, massive infrastructure spending, out of Iraq, soon to be out of Afghanistan, folding our hand to the Iranians, the press blaming the opposition for absolutely-every-thing, and the opposition effectively muzzled by the justice department and the IRS, and the NYT's.

    I'm getting a little sick of the regressives getting their way on everything and then blaming the GOP.  The regressives have gotten their agenda implemented.  

    All this and they still fail.

     
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    [QUOTE]According to regressives, it is the party that controls one half of one third of the Federal government that is the problem.[/QUOTE]

    And after they've assumed total control it will be the fault of Fox News/Koch Bros/Tea Party/etc...

    And once those impediments have been destroyed they'll look to blame outside forces like all of preceding socialist totalitarian regimes have had to do.

     
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    In response to ronreganfan's comment:
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    >>>I suggest to you that most of this economic environment is the direct result of the Citizen's United decision. Money talks and those with deep pockets and purchase any politician they want...legally.<<<

     

    Assuming this is true, wouldn't it be a serious indictment of the Democrat party which has been able to control the federal government throughout the Citizens United era?

     

     

     



    According to regressives, it is the party that controls one half of one third of the Federal government that is the problem.

     

    What haven't the radicals not gotten through that is critical to their agenda?  We got Obamacare, we got wild, out of control spending, higher taxes, the Dream act via executive order, massive infrastructure spending, out of Iraq, soon to be out of Afghanistan, folding our hand to the Iranians, the press blaming the opposition for absolutely-every-thing, and the opposition effectively muzzled by the justice department and the IRS, and the NYT's.

    I'm getting a little sick of the regressives getting their way on everything and then blaming the GOP.  The regressives have gotten their agenda implemented.  

    All this and they still fail.

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    Wild, out of control spending ... Massive infrastructure spending

    These are figments of your imagination and display an ignorance of basic Civics.  You'd think that after spending years in political discussions you would have at least accidentally learned some basic civics lessons, like Congress controls spending.

     

     
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    [] According to regressives, it is the party that controls one half of one third of the Federal government that is the problem. []

    And after they've assumed total control it will be the fault of Fox News/Koch Bros/Tea Party/etc...

    And once those impediments have been destroyed they'll look to blame outside forces like all of preceding socialist totalitarian regimes have had to do.




     

    Why, how timely. I just finished ordering the furniture for our troikas, death panels, and assorted secret trials.

    Roll of the eyes, shake of the head, wag of the fingers, and three Jones's for you.

     

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