Re: INDEPENDENTS CANNOT SUPPORT REPUBLICAN PARTY WHILE IT DESTROYS THE COUNTRY AND EVEN THE WORLD
posted at 10/2/2013 12:24 PM EDT
In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
In response to portfolio1's comment:
Not liking either party it is still clear that there is no equating the two on many levels. The Republican party has made the world much more dangerous and is now destroying the country.
WHile no one liked the murderous Saddam Hussein, attacking Iraq after 9/11 was an amazingly, blindingly stupid thing to do. (1) he had nothing to do with 9/11 (2) we have always supported some pretty bad dictators (the Shah, so many in Latin America, etc). But the thing that was most amazing about attacking Iraq was that the result of the Conservatives was (1) destablize much of the middle east and (2) allow Iran to have no counter because no one replaced Saddam and so Iran has been allowed to work even more aggresively toward having a nuclear bomb. Great job Republicans
Now they are taking their stupendously stupid antics and getting ready to destroy the economy by not paying the bills we have already spent. Dead beats. If you spent it you have to pay it. If you dont want to spend it then dont spend it in the first place. If you are not able to get enough votes to change things then either live with it and try harder or if you do not like democracy then leave... yes,,, leave... and with everyones blessing.
You are blinded by your partisan ideology.
Obama has been President for 5 years, can we stop blaming Bush and Iraq (which was authorized by a vote of Congress and supported by many Democrats).
You whine about the Middle East being de-stabilized. When has it ever been stable? What has been the result of Obama's support of the so-called Arab Spring? Now he is Mr. Chickenhawk II and is arming islamic terrorists in Syria. Yeah, that is stabilizing!
And when it comes to default, Congress cannot default. The Treasury defaults by not making good on debt obligations. They would do that by deciding to pay some other bill and not a debt obligation. The Congress does not pay bills.
(1) I am an Independent and do not like either party. In fact it is my strong opinion that our government is currently based on legalized (and illegal) bribery. Both parties are central to this. They are equally guilty in this. I believe it is the single most important political issue we currently face.
(2) Why use the word "whine"? Have not both of use made points about things we do not like? If you want respect you have to give it.
(3) Regarding the Middle East, it was Bush and Chaney and Rumsfeld and the neo cons who decided it was a good idea to attack Iraq even within the first several hours after 9/11. The result was a destabilizing of Iraq which was the only significant counter weight to Iran in the region. The two countries had fought some wars with great numbers of casualties.
I agree that the two parties shared responsibilites as things evolved. BUt the idea and the push and the trumped up sell was all at the hands of that "regime".
(4) You are quite right about the instability of the Middle East since the end of WWI and the break up of the Ottoman Empire and the divying up by western countries (France, Britain, and initally to a lesser extent the US... our role significantly increased at the close of WWII) in wanting to gain "personally" from the fall of the Ottoman's. My pointing out the Iraq issue is to point out the greatly heightened effects we have been central in creating by invading Iraq. This was not the same as in the first Gulf War...
(5) I do not see the word CONGRESS in my post but yes, my meaning is clear. Congress decides waht is to be spent on what and it (oddly) later must approve any debt ceiling caused by expenditures THEY ALREADY APPROVED and therefore are responsible for.
It is like saying you write a check but it is your bank that handles the actual monetary transaction you made via check or credit card. But the responsibility is still YOURS.
Why in the world would you go to some semantic issues that do not recognize or address the issues we both bring up? Are you blaming the Treasury for excpenditures you have in the past identified with Congress,,,, with the Democratic Party... ? It was unworthy a point to make.