Interesting paradox

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    Interesting paradox

    I have a boatload of liberals decrying the unmitigated gall of SCOTUS overriding an act of Congress and the will of the people - The Voter Rights Act.

    Yet have no problem with their overriding an act of Congress and the will of the people (of California) with the DOMA and Prop 8 rulings.

    I applaud both,  How bout you?

     

     
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    I think the Conservatives on the SCOTUS are trying to play Americans as fools ...

     
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    In response to Sistersledge's comment:

    I think the Conservatives on the SCOTUS are trying to play Americans as fools ...




    Ah, DOMA ruling is bad eh?  I disagree.  And it would now appear Sotomayor is a Conservative.  I disagree, but hey...

     
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    I agree with both rulings.

     
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    "In the DOMA ruling Scalia wrote a rambling screed, one point of which was that SCotUS should not be at the "apex" of judging the "will of the people", even if that "will" is contradictory to the Constitution. "

    Liberals relying on "state's rights" to overturn a big bad federal government law overriding the state's laws; a tyrannical mandate found in Bill Clinton's DOMA.

    And liberals have insisted for decades the very term "state's rights" was a 'silent dog whistle for evil white Republican racism'...very confusing, isnt it?

     

     
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    So, did the VRA ruling overrule an act of duly elected representatives in congress and thus the will of the people?

    Did the DOMA ruling overrule an act of duly elected representatives in congress and thus the will of the people?

     
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    Like comparing cherries and chainsaws....

    The irony being that the Court feels that the states are mostly competent enough to license marriages but not necessarily conduct elections.

     

    Oh, and Alito is a total d**k.

     

     

     

     

     
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    Like comparing cherries and chainsaws....

    The irony being that the Court feels that the states are mostly competent enough to license marriages but not necessarily conduct elections.



    And the Fed's are better. That's hilarious!!

     
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    I am okay with both decisions. Sure..there is still racism to some degree..and in some places more than other..but we have progressed to the point where it is not ingrained and institutionalized for the most part.

    Section 4 is based on data that is very outdated. Instead of rubberstamping the VRA and extending it as is over and over again..lawmakers should have updated it to make it relevent to the data of today.

    " Above all..be the heroine in your life..not the victim" Nora Ephron

     
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    Like comparing cherries and chainsaws....

    The irony being that the Court feels that the states are mostly competent enough to license marriages but not necessarily conduct elections.

     

    Oh, and Alito is a total d**k.

     

     

     

     




    Psst, the court just gave elction control BACK to the states.  Well, the nine that they had denied that for 50 years anyway.

     
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    Like comparing cherries and chainsaws....

    The irony being that the Court feels that the states are mostly competent enough to license marriages but not necessarily conduct elections.

     

    Oh, and Alito is a total d**k.

     

     I think that Alito and Alec have a lot in common, who knew.

     

     




     
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    I am okay with both decisions. Sure..there is still racism to some degree..and in some places more than other..but we have progressed to the point where it is not ingrained and institutionalized for the most part. Section 4 is based on data that is very outdated. Instead of rubberstamping the VRA and extending it as is over and over again..lawmakers should have updated it to make it relevent to the data of today.

    Right. And in teh unlikely event that electoral abuse against minorities re-appears Congress can reinstitute the laws that were struck down.

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    Re: Interesting paradox

    So, did the VRA ruling overrule an act of duly elected representatives in congress and thus the will of the people?

    Did the DOMA ruling overrule an act of duly elected representatives in congress and thus the will of the people?

     
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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

     

    So, did the VRA ruling overrule an act of duly elected representatives in congress and thus the will of the people?

    Did the DOMA ruling overrule an act of duly elected representatives in congress and thus the will of the people?

     




    If the will of the people is unconstitutional, then tough t!tt!es for them.

     




    couldn't agree more

     
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    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

     

    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

     

     

     

    So, did the VRA ruling overrule an act of duly elected representatives in congress and thus the will of the people?

    Did the DOMA ruling overrule an act of duly elected representatives in congress and thus the will of the people?

     

     




    If the will of the people is unconstitutional, then tough t!tt!es for them.

     

     

     




    couldn't agree more

     



    Gregin,

    On this we can agree though most legal types would have used different language to express that thought. 

    And yes, for the poster who inquired anout the boatload of liberals, we know I am one of those liberals you had to be referring to. Maybe a peek at the relevant thread would shed some light on the back and forth with you and others and the boatful of liberals/progressives/posters who disagree with the VRA decision.

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    Like comparing cherries and chainsaws....

    The irony being that the Court feels that the states are mostly competent enough to license marriages but not necessarily conduct elections.

     

    Oh, and Alito is a total d**k.

     

     I think that Alito and Alec have a lot in common, who knew.

     

     

     




     



    Big difference being Alito is one of nine Supreme Court Justices and therefore weilds a great deal of power to affect millions of lives with permanent tenure.

    Baldwin is an actor/celebrity. Whatever your opinion of him what he does and does not do hardly compares to a high court justice.

    To say apples and oranges would be the understatement of the century...even in our pop culture society. Baldwin belongs back on the Deen thread. Celecrities behaving badly.

     
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    the boatful of liberals/progressives/posters who disagree with the VRA decision.

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    How many are from the 9 discriminated states?  4?

     
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    the boatful of liberals/progressives/posters who disagree with the VRA decision.

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    How many are from the 9 discriminated states?  4?



    Gregin,

    I already weighed in on this with you. No, I am not from one of the SINGLED out states. The states singled out because of bad behavior to put it mildly.

    To call them discriminated states is to negate what they were doing in 1965 that the other states were not doing.

    If I was a resident of one of the singled out states, I already posted given who I am I would have welcomed the 1965 VRA as an aid to get my state in line with the other states.

    Do you really believe that in 1965 these states were not in need of outside intervention given your understanding of history?

     
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    Re: Interesting paradox

    If I was a resident of one of the singled out states, I already posted given who I am I would have welcomed the 1965 VRA as an aid to get my state in line with the other states.

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    The court simply ruled that continuing to single out those states using 50 year old criteria is wrong.  Congress was welcomed to update the criteria.  What the hell is wrong with that?

     
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