Iran says if, US strikes Syria they will attack Israel. What now? ignore?

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    Iran says if, US strikes Syria they will attack Israel. What now? ignore?

    A senior Iranian lawmaker said Israel would be the first casualty of any U.S.-led strike on Syria, according to regional media reports.

    Hossein Sheikholeslam, the director general of the Iranian parliament’s International Affairs bureau, claimed the United States would not dare attack Syria but said that if it does, “the Zionist regime will be the first victim.”

    “No military attack will be waged against Syria,” Sheikholeslam was quoted as saying on Monday by Iran’s state run Fars News Agency.

    “Yet, if such an incident takes place, which is impossible, the Zionist regime will be the first victim of a military attack on Syria,” Sheikholeslam said in an apparent response to the Obama administration’s increasingly stern rhetoric against Syria.

    Iran has been one of embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s chief allies. It has sent Hezbollah reinforcements to battle rebel forces and acted as Assad’s chief defender in the Middle East.

    This could escalate very quickly!

     

    http://freebeacon.com/iranian-official-israel-to-be-first-victim-of-u-s-attack-on-syria/

     
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    Yet another reason why comparisons between Libya and Syria (or Syria and Iraq) are just more shortcuts to thinking.

     

     
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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    Of course, Iran's words may very well be hot hair. Most likely they would urge proxies to attack.


    I don't think Iran really wants a hot war with Israel and the U.S., and that's what it might get if it attacks Israel in any meaningful way.



    That might not matter if the typically hawkish Israeli leadership is gunning for war with Iran. (or syria, with which it has traded blows in the past).

     

     
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    Not surprising, Iran is Syria's patron saint in the region, but Iran's sabrerattling could set off a chain of events that would open the door for massive bombings of their suspected nuclear facilities.  However, Iran is not likely to take military action but would rather activate Hezbollah to conduct attacks against soft targets in the region and possibly around the globe.  

     
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    The most common reason for defeat in any battle is underestimating your opponent.

    Iran has been upgrading it's anti aircraft capabilities and Iraq and Turkey have refused to allow the US to use their airspace. which means we stand a greater risk of losing planes and pilots in any air assault that has only a slight chance of truly affecting their nuke program anyway.

    So, if we shoot a few missles and send a few bombs into syria we are risking hezbullah raining rockets into Israel, and Israels heavy handed response causing more destabilization in the region.

    Playing devils advocate; syria has been slaughtering civilians by the thousands with conventional weapons but, they gas a few hundred and now all the sudden they must be punished?

    I don't get that; not that they are killing civilians but, how they are killing civilians IS the problem??

    It seems a lose lose to me at this point.

     
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    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

    In response to tvoter's comment:
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    The most common reason for defeat in any battle is underestimating your opponent.

    Iran has been upgrading it's anti aircraft capabilities and Iraq and Turkey have refused to allow the US to use their airspace. which means we stand a greater risk of losing planes and pilots in any air assault that has only a slight chance of truly affecting their nuke program anyway.

    So, if we shoot a few missles and send a few bombs into syria we are risking hezbullah raining rockets into Israel, and Israels heavy handed response causing more destabilization in the region.

    Playing devils advocate; syria has been slaughtering civilians by the thousands with conventional weapons but, they gas a few hundred and now all the sudden they must be punished?

    I don't get that; not that they are killing civilians but, how they are killing civilians IS the problem??

    It seems a lose lose to me at this point.

    What you are missing is the way the US conducts an air campaign.

    It is not a launch of missles at random targets.

    The first wave of munitions goes for the C&C and communications targets rendering their defenses blind and unable to coordinate a meaningful response.

    The next wave of missles targets the AA batteries and other military sites, crippling their defensive as well as offensive capabilities.

    Then the US would send in unmanned drones to assess the damage, find and destroy targets that may have been missed and get real time intel on the effects.

    Then, and only then would any manned sorties be conducted for close air support or bombing runs as necessary.


    And not only do we have the infamous cruise missle, B-1 bombers and other fast movers carry smart bombs capable of being delivered from as far away as 30 miles, well beyond any AA range.

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    That would be a bombing campaign of several days and that does nt seem to be what Washington has planned. But, we will see.

    What you described seems to me to be more of a libyan type campaign and very expensive and would be better done by a coalition and not unilaterally by the US since Russia and China are dead set against us doing anything but, again we will see.

    The Russians stated that we were "acting like a money with a hand grenade"; not very complimentary.

     
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    And? Russia has always been belligerent.

    The Cold War spelled the end of perpetually imminent nuclear annihilation, but they haven't exactly been friendly since, regardless of who was President. They know what you should recognize: There is no reason they would feel the need to be cooperative.


    We're not particularly economically entwined. If we were, we wouldn't want a war any more than they do.

    They basically make a nuisance of themselves, but at least it's in the U.N. and not with moves like the one that lead to the Cuban Missile Crisis.



    I agree with the first part but, russia and china have the capability to provide assad with many weapons and weapons system that would end the war for the rebels or cause us to get involved in another very unpopular proxy war. A vast majority of American do not support doing anything right now to assad.

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

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    Of course, Iran's words may very well be hot hair. Most likely they would urge proxies to attack.


    I don't think Iran really wants a hot war with Israel and the U.S., and that's what it might get if it attacks Israel in any meaningful way.

     



    That might not matter if the typically hawkish Israeli leadership is gunning for war with Iran. (or syria, with which it has traded blows in the past).

     

     

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    There is the Dirty Harry crowd in Israel who would just as soon tell Iran to make their day.  If Iran attacks Israel they would end up on the wrong side of a whooping.

     

    That being said it is counter to US interests for us to get dragged into another mideast fight. Yes I know that POTUS is in a box becasue his stupid line was crossed but he's our Nobel President of Peace so he should just ratchet it down a bit.

    We'd be much better off cranking up our oil industry, approving keystone and driving down the cost of oil to bankrupt the middle east.  Yeah I know its not that easy but is sounds like a lot more fun. 

     
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    The question to ask ourselves is: Is there a number of civilian casualties that will spell out a moral command to do something more? Is it ever a reason alone?



    Assad has killed over 100 thousand with conventional weaponsn and we dont get too upset.


    He allegedly kills a few hundred with serin gas and now we are appalled and ready to bomb them which will probably kill a few hundred more!

    I do not see any logical thought process in that!

    Do you?

     
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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    I wouldn't be surprised if Obama is on the phone with Israel....  




    I would be surprised, they hate us for feuling both sides with arms and our tax money.

     

    community organizer is waaay over his head

     
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    Assad has killed over 100 thousand with conventional weaponsn and we dont get too upset.

     


    He allegedly kills a few hundred with serin gas and now we are appalled and ready to bomb them which will probably kill a few hundred more!

    I do not see any logical thought process in that!

    Do you?

     
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    • Syrian dictator Bashar al Assad is a war criminal, a mass murderer and a baby killer. By using poison gas on Syrian civilians which is against the Geneva Convention, Assad is now responsible for thousands of injuries and hundreds of deaths, according to the humanitarian group, Doctors without Borders. So there is no question that Assad must be held accountable.

      If you believe in American exceptionalism that this country has a moral obligation to save lives when it can all over the world, then you know the USA must act against Assad as it did against Saddam Hussein.

       However, we cannot make the same mistakes we made in Iraq. President Obama is now perceived throughout the world as indecisive when it comes to righting international wrongs. Putin and Russia, the Chinese and Iran do not fear him. Those countries do pretty much what they want to do. And in this case that means supporting the mass killer, Assad.

      So Mr. Obama has a unique opportunity not only to damage Assad but to show the world that we are the good guys and that those helping Assad are the bad guys.

      In order to do that the President must be methodical. First, he must convince other countries to support military strikes against Syria -- seems British, French and Turks are already on board. So that's a huge plus. But the President should secure the support of as many Arab countries as possible beginning with Saudi Arabia.

      Then President Obama should go to Congress and ask for a vote of affirmation on using military power. "Talking Points" believes Congress will support the action.

      Finally in conjunction with NATO the USA should devise a bombing campaign that will degrade Assad's forces without the mass killing of civilians and that will not be easy.

      At the same time, Mr. Obama must ask the Russians and the Chinese to support NATO action and get them on the record. Also, the USA should lay out explicitly how the barbaric Iranian government is helping the war criminal Assad. If the President does all those things he will gain a measure of respect throughout the world and perhaps bring down Assad.

      Now we all understand the situation inside Syria is chaotic with jihadist involved. But if America wants to be a world leader we can't allow a tyrant to violate international law by using chemicals weapons.



    So, the 100 thousand men women and children murdered before with tanks, artillery and air strikes caused no moral obligation to act for the US but, the few hundred killed with a different weapon and NOW we must act!

    give me a break!

     
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    In response to tvoter's comment:


    Assad has killed over 100 thousand with conventional weaponsn and we dont get too upset.

     


    He allegedly kills a few hundred with serin gas and now we are appalled and ready to bomb them which will probably kill a few hundred more!

    I do not see any logical thought process in that!

    Do you?



    I understand the concept that chemical weapons constitute a "war crime" and are particularly heinous.

    But I can't help feeling that the idea separating chemical from conventional weaponry is a kind of hypocricy.

    In the end, does it matter how one dies? Was it any less of a war crime when the SS invaded Poland and shot innocent Jews and Poles than when they were rounded up and gassed?

    What about the scores of Rwandans who were hacked to death with machetes?
     

     
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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to newman09's comment:

     

    Putin and Russia, the Chinese and Iran

     



    They didn't fear Bush eitehr.

     



    Maybe so, but they gave greater pause, also relations were little better...excluding maybe Iran. 

     
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    We'd be much better off cranking up our oil industry, approving keystone and driving down the cost of oil to bankrupt the middle east.  Yeah I know its not that easy but is sounds like a lot more fun. 



    A pipe dream.

    (quite literally.)

     

     

     
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    In response to newman09's comment:

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

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    In response to newman09's comment:

     

    Putin and Russia, the Chinese and Iran

     



    They didn't fear Bush eitehr.

     

     



    Maybe so, but they gave greater pause

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    Really?  How so?

    I see little evidence Russia or China gave a fudge at all....

     

     

     

     
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    In response to newman09's comment:

     

    • Syrian dictator Bashar al Assad is a war criminal, a mass murderer and a baby killer. By using poison gas on Syrian civilians which is against the Geneva Convention, Assad is now responsible for thousands of injuries and hundreds of deaths, according to the humanitarian group, Doctors without Borders. So there is no question that Assad must be held accountable.

      If you believe in American exceptionalism that this country has a moral obligation to save lives when it can all over the world, then you know the USA must act against Assad as it did against Saddam Hussein.

       However, we cannot make the same mistakes we made in Iraq. President Obama is now perceived throughout the world as indecisive when it comes to righting international wrongs. Putin and Russia, the Chinese and Iran do not fear him. Those countries do pretty much what they want to do. And in this case that means supporting the mass killer, Assad.

      So Mr. Obama has a unique opportunity not only to damage Assad but to show the world that we are the good guys and that those helping Assad are the bad guys.

      In order to do that the President must be methodical. First, he must convince other countries to support military strikes against Syria -- seems British, French and Turks are already on board. So that's a huge plus. But the President should secure the support of as many Arab countries as possible beginning with Saudi Arabia.

      Then President Obama should go to Congress and ask for a vote of affirmation on using military power. "Talking Points" believes Congress will support the action.

      Finally in conjunction with NATO the USA should devise a bombing campaign that will degrade Assad's forces without the mass killing of civilians and that will not be easy.

      At the same time, Mr. Obama must ask the Russians and the Chinese to support NATO action and get them on the record. Also, the USA should lay out explicitly how the barbaric Iranian government is helping the war criminal Assad. If the President does all those things he will gain a measure of respect throughout the world and perhaps bring down Assad.

      Now we all understand the situation inside Syria is chaotic with jihadist involved. But if America wants to be a world leader we can't allow a tyrant to violate international law by using chemicals weapons.



    I can see the logic behind some of these well-stated points, although I don't agree with most of them.

     

    I'm not fully convinced by the argument that any nation - superpower or not - has a responsibility to act as the global moral arbiter of sectarian rifts or other various highly personal, local squabbles.  Without answering that, any military action is untenable.

    In many ways, this conflict was inevitable, regardless of which american sits in the oval office.  Recent syrian history shows that Assad & co. have had this coming. 

    And in many ways, this conflict might just be unstoppable at this point.

     

     
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