Is Libia Arms Obama's Iran/Contra?

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    Re: Is Libia Arms Obama's Iran/Contra?

    posted at 12/11/2012 12:19 PM EST

    And we didn't invade. We sent some CIA agents, some advisors, some money, and some guns.

     

    You forgot the bombers.. and the bombs... and the drones... and the rockets. Zombie, zombie, zombie eh eh...


    So, I guess, if we don't actually send troops in it's not really a military action and doesn't require congressional approval under the war powers act. Is that right?

     

     

     

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    Re: Is Libia Arms Obama's Iran/Contra?

    posted at 12/11/2012 12:26 PM EST

    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

     

    And we didn't invade. We sent some CIA agents, some advisors, some money, and some guns.

     

     

    You forgot the bombers.. and the bombs... and the drones... and the rockets. Zombie, zombie, zombie eh eh...


    So, I guess, if we don't actually send troops in it's not really a military action and doesn't require congressional approval under the war powers act. Is that right?

     

     



    Minor detail.

     

    I thnk I'm asking a legitimate question.  you can tell it is by the liberal response.

     

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    Re: Is Libia Arms Obama's Iran/Contra?

    posted at 12/11/2012 12:43 PM EST

    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

    if we don't actually send troops in it's not really a military action and doesn't require congressional approval under the war powers act. Is that right?


    Actually, that rather may be the case.

    There was a more in depth discussion of that either last year or the year before here, parsing the sections. Given the actual language and legislative intent behind the Act, the answer did generally appear to be "yes." It was focused on commitments of large amounts of troops to large conflicts without congressional approval.

     

     

     

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    Re: Is Libia Arms Obama's Iran/Contra?

    posted at 12/11/2012 12:43 PM EST

    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

    Zombie


    Right. I forgot about the zombies.

     

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    Re: Is Libia Arms Obama's Iran/Contra?

    posted at 12/11/2012 12:45 PM EST

    Oh why bother. The f**king morons will simply tell themselves they're right because they said they were right.

     

    Go on, SB and skeetard. Rail against Obama for imaginary violations of the war powers act. It will have precisely zero effect on world events, but hey, it'll make you feel better. We'll leave you alone. Shout at those walls and really teach them a lesson!

     

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    Re: Is Libia Arms Obama's Iran/Contra?

    posted at 12/11/2012 1:17 PM EST

    It should be interesting to see the reaction at some point in the future when a Republican president exercises those same powers. No doubt the liberals on this board will respond with equanimity and restraint.

     

     

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    Re: Is Libia Arms Obama's Iran/Contra?

    posted at 12/11/2012 1:29 PM EST

    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

    It should be interesting to see the reaction at some point in the future when a Republican president exercises those same powers. No doubt the liberals on this board will respond with equanimity and restraint.

     



    When it does happen I am sure you will lead the charge against his abuse of the War Powers Act.  Right.  Sure... 

     

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    Re: Is Libia Arms Obama's Iran/Contra?

    posted at 12/11/2012 4:29 PM EST

    When it does happen I am sure you will lead the charge against his abuse of the War Powers Act.  Right.  Sure...

    Yes, I will Reubin.

     

     

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    Re: Is Libia Arms Obama's Iran/Contra?

    posted at 12/11/2012 5:55 PM EST

    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

    It should be interesting to see the reaction at some point in the future when a Republican president exercises those same powers. No doubt the liberals on this board will respond with equanimity and restraint.

     



    So this is what this is all about.  Just plain old partisanship by the loyal opposition.  There it is.  Point made and taken.  You win.

     

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    Re: Is Libia Arms Obama's Iran/Contra?

    posted at 12/12/2012 7:35 AM EST

    In response to 12-Angry-Men's comment:

    It was a NATO mission.

    We are a member of NATO and as such, we are REQUIRED, by the terms of the treaty to participate. Such action does not require Congressional approval.

    There is also the War Powers Act which gives the PotUS discretion for limited engagemnts of short duration. Libya fits that to a tee.

    And of course there's also the fact that we transitioned from an attack role to a support role quickly and well within the War Powers Act definition. Since no Americans were in direct combat then it is not an issue that Congress has any say in. The PotUS runs the military.



    So, congressinal approval was nt needed for Iraq and Afghanistan actions?

    Man, just keep spinning.

     

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    Re: Is Libia Arms Obama's Iran/Contra?

    posted at 12/12/2012 7:36 AM EST

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    Oh why bother. The f**king morons will simply tell themselves they're right because they said they were right.

     

    Go on, SB and skeetard. Rail against Obama for imaginary violations of the war powers act. It will have precisely zero effect on world events, but hey, it'll make you feel better. We'll leave you alone. Shout at those walls and really teach them a lesson!




    I'm asking the question, and you don't seem to be able to answer it. 

    I think you are just frustrated that you can't lash out against Bush on this.

     

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    Re: Is Libia Arms Obama's Iran/Contra?

    posted at 12/12/2012 8:18 AM EST

    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

     

    When it does happen I am sure you will lead the charge against his abuse of the War Powers Act.  Right.  Sure...

     

    Yes, I will Reubin.

     



    Did you do it in the past?  This situation is little different than dozens of operations conducted by presidents (of both parties) over the years.  And yet this one is the focus of complaint...

     

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    Re: Is Libia Arms Obama's Iran/Contra?

    posted at 12/12/2012 2:25 PM EST

    Did you do it in the past?  This situation is little different than dozens of operations conducted by presidents (of both parties) over the years.  And yet this one is the focus of complaint...

     

    Yes I have Reubin. My allegiance to the Constitution does not change depending upon the party in power.