It's WHO you are connected to in the court system. Wink wink!

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    He should have gotten a year for every year that he hooked, poisoned, and possibly killed neighborhood kids with those highly addictive drugs.  Oxy is evil and dealers should be dealt with harshly.

     
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    He should have gotten a year for every year that he hooked, poisoned, and possibly killed neighborhood kids with those highly addictive drugs.  Oxy is evil and dealers should be dealt with harshly.
    Posted by schadenfreude99


    The dealers are just meeting demand.  If it wasn't Oxy it'd be coke.  If it wasn't drugs, it'd be guns.  If it wasn't guns it'd be stolen ipods.  Breaking the law is bad, and so yes, they are 'criminals'. 

    Crime is bad, yes, but I cannot see how we get to making the dealers out to be so terribly evil.

    It may be part of popular culture, planted deliberately by the governmnet, to believe that there are dealers who roam around trying to get people addicted.  That's a bunch of BS.  It does not happen.  Only the very few, stupidest dealers, actually approach anyone and say "hey do you want this." 

    There is no need for them to try to get people addicted because people do that job for themselves.  Their main concern is not getting robbed, shot, or caught.  They do not need to be out trying to distribute drugs to people who don't want them, in the random hope that someone will take enough of a drug to become addicted.

    At that point, I can only blame the person who got themselves addicted.  It takes effort and money - there is no such thing as instant addiction.   That's another government lie.  It takes weeks, months, years of regular and increasingly heavy use.

    It's the addict's fault.

    This society has gotten way too used to blaming things on everyone but the individuals whose fault it is.
     
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    Crime is bad, yes, but I cannot see how we get to making the dealers out to be so terribly evil.

    There is no need for them to try to get people addicted because people do that job for themselves.  Their main concern is not getting robbed, shot, or caught.  They do not need to be out trying to distribute drugs to people who don't want them, in the random hope that someone will take enough of a drug to become addicted

    WOW. You are usually good for a surprise but I didn't see this comming.
    Respectfully I can never see drug dealers as victems. If they become a victem, then they deserved it.
    On another facet of this.. what good are laws as long as there will be selective enforcement by DA's (Ohhh Martha...) or judges ?
     
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    Respectfully I can never see drug dealers as victems.
    Posted by RevWright


    I can never see drug dealers as victims either.

    I just cannot blame dealers for the fact that people have gotten themselves addicted to drugs.

    I thought you were all about personal responsibility?
     
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    I so am my friend. Something I preach too much to my kids.  
    Guess the 'notion' that public servants being held to a higher standard is quite the reverse.

    Politics aside.. I will cringe the next time Menino says he's tough on crime.

    Cheers
     
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    Another anecdote from the nation's horrendously failed war on drugs.

    The war is over.  The drugs won.  Legalize them, already, and let's get on to more important ways of wasting money and killing our children.
     
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    Bear in mind, I am by no means defending the judge's decision.  Famous people, rich people, politicians almost always get off lighter. 

    Dorcester black guy would've gotten a huge amount of time for so much stuff.

    And if they had caught the stuff being mailed to him, it'd be federal.  I think the federal minimum would be either 5 or 10 years, with sentencing guidelines recommending something more like 13+

    (They hit Oxy pretty hard.)
     
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    Another anecdote from the nation's horrendously failed war on drugs. The war is over.  The drugs won.  Legalize them, already, and let's get on to more important ways of wasting money and killing our children.
    Posted by MattyScornD


    If, they had followed the "war on drugs" policies he would be in prison for a lengthy spell.
     
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    The reality alot of the most successful dealers are not users.

    What about the dealers that target "newbies" aka offer free hits just to hook'em knowing they will then be reliable customers until they are in prison, dead or one of the small percentage that get help.
     
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    In Response to Re: It's WHO you are connected to in the court system. Wink wink! : If, they had followed the "war on drugs" policies he would be in prison for a lengthy spell.
    Posted by sk8ter2008


    Who is "they"?  And who said it was a good idea to incarcerate non-violent drug users in the first place...??
     
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    In Response to Re: It's WHO you are connected to in the court system. Wink wink! : The dealers are just meeting demand.  If it wasn't Oxy it'd be coke.  If it wasn't drugs, it'd be guns.  If it wasn't guns it'd be stolen ipods.  Breaking the law is bad, and so yes, they are 'criminals'.  Crime is bad, yes, but I cannot see how we get to making the dealers out to be so terribly evil. It may be part of popular culture, planted deliberately by the governmnet, to believe that there are dealers who roam around trying to get people addicted.  That's a bunch of BS.  It does not happen.  Only the very few, stupidest dealers, actually approach anyone and say "hey do you want this."  There is no need for them to try to get people addicted because people do that job for themselves.  Their main concern is not getting robbed, shot, or caught.  They do not need to be out trying to distribute drugs to people who don't want them, in the random hope that someone will take enough of a drug to become addicted. At that point, I can only blame the person who got themselves addicted.  It takes effort and money - there is no such thing as instant addiction.   That's another government lie.  It takes weeks, months, years of regular and increasingly heavy use. It's the addict's fault. This society has gotten way too used to blaming things on everyone but the individuals whose fault it is.
    Posted by WhatIsItNow

    Dealers are the lowest of low.  They prey on the weaknesses of people and assist in their addiction at best.  At their worst they entice the young to take drugs and get them addicted.  This guy should have done time.

     
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    In Response to Re: It's WHO you are connected to in the court system. Wink wink! : Who is "they"?  And who said it was a good idea to incarcerate non-violent drug users in the first place...??
    Posted by MattyScornD


    They = the aforementioned court regarding the aide.

    Is it a "violent" drug offense to sell drugs to young teens and adolescents that commit crimes or die??

    Or are you implying that as long as a dealer doesn't commit a act of violence directly they shouldn't go to prison??
     
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    In Response to Re: It's WHO you are connected to in the court system. Wink wink! : Who is "they"?  And who said it was a good idea to incarcerate non-violent drug users in the first place...??
    Posted by MattyScornD


    Well this is a slippery slope, sure everyone likes the guy you can buy weed from after all its just weed.  Well there are classes of drugs and if you are selling coke, heroin, Oxy you've moved up to the big leagues.  I understand the point you are trying to make, but what about the 14 year old kid who gets supplied with Oxy and becomes addicted.  The addict spirals down, starts to steel for their habit, people get victimized by these crimes, is it still victim-less when a life is destroyed?
     
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    In Response to Re: It's WHO you are connected to in the court system. Wink wink!:
    In Response to Re: It's WHO you are connected to in the court system. Wink wink! : Well this is a slippery slope, sure everyone likes the guy you can buy weed from after all its just weed.  Well there are classes of drugs and if you are selling coke, heroin, Oxy you've moved up to the big leagues.  I understand the point you are trying to make, but what about the 14 year old kid who gets supplied with Oxy and becomes addicted.  The addict spirals down, starts to steel for their habit, people get victimized by these crimes, is it still victim-less when a life is destroyed?
    Posted by massmoderateJoe



    The problem is "gets supplied with".  No such thing.  The closest to "get supplied with" you'll get is kids stealing from unwary parents.

    It goes for $1/mg and it takes a LONG time to get "addicted".  No dealer is giving this out for free.  This is prescribed in bottles of 10, 20, 100...  Pills are 5mg-80mg. 

    It would be economically disastrious for dealers to attempt to get specific people addicted - let alone the broader and more naive notion that they're just giving whatever out to people who walked by. 

    When I say "addicted" I mean that when I don't take this, I start sweating, convulsing, vomiting, soiling myself, hallucinating - my body is rejecting itself.  Actual chemical addiction.



    Moreover, why is it that government intervention to save people from themselves is OK in this instance...but in just about every other topic in these forums it's not OK?  It's either socialism or government running your life? 



     
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    What about the dealers that target "newbies" aka offer free hits just to hook'em knowing they will then be reliable customers until they are in prison, dead or one of the small percentage that get help.
    Posted by sk8ter2008


    If those people existed my evenings might be more interesting.

     
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    Of course, mixed up in this whole debate is the govenrment-instilled notion that (1) what the government calls an "illegal drug" is an inherently bad thing that is immoral to consume, (2) users of illegal drugs are abusers of drugs, while users of legal drugs are normal people.

    No one can do a line of cocaine without being a dirty sc*mb*g drug user (well, except that the professional world is f'ing infested with such people). 

    (seriously.  I can't say scum-bag?  How is that a curse word?)

    There is a very small subset of drug users who become addicts because they are reckless and don't pay attention. 

    All you have to do to avoid addiction is not f'ing do it all the time.  Just like you avoid alcoholism by not getting drunk every time you drink, and/or not drinking every night.  If you're talking purely on the chemical level, it is easier to get addicted to cigarettes than it is heroin. 
     
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    The premise of the posting is that political connections got this guy a better deal.  This is highly unlikely.  Federal court judges are pretty much immune to influence by state politicians.  Heck, they are pretty much immune from influence all together.  On the other hand, I am sure this guy's public service, lack of record and efforts at rehabilitation were major factors.  But... the sentence is incredibly light for the crime and the venue: federal court is a real tough place to work in.  Maybe there is an unspoken issue of cooperation...
     
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    I think Congressman Tierneys wife would agree.
     
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