Judge OKs Gay Marriage in Florida Keys.

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    Re: Judge OKs Gay Marriage in Florida Keys.

    This seems to be the week for same-sex couples being put on hold for rights they had already won.

    Above, a judge had ruled that gays could start getting marriage licences as early as next Tuesday in one Florida county. Now they have to wait because an appeal has been filed and "Her notice of appeal creates an automatic stay that prevents any same-sex marriage licenses from being issued, her office said.".

    In Utah, 

    "More than 1,000 same-sex married couples in Utah will have to wait longer for state benefits after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Friday that state officials don't have to recognize the marriages until their appeal is heard.

    The couples were wed during a 17-day stretch in December when same-sex marriages were legal before the nation's highest court put the practice on hold. They had been set to get benefits Monday."

    Not such a great week for gay rights.

     

    Read more below....

     

     

    Supreme Court Delays Benefits for Utah Gay Couples
    SALT LAKE CITY — Jul 18, 2014, 6:31 PM ET
    By BRADY McCOMBS Associated Press
    Associated Press
    More than 1,000 same-sex married couples in Utah will have to wait longer for state benefits after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Friday that state officials don't have to recognize the marriages until their appeal is heard.

    The couples were wed during a 17-day stretch in December when same-sex marriages were legal before the nation's highest court put the practice on hold. They had been set to get benefits Monday.

    Instead, couples including Matthew Barraza and Tony Milner will have to put off plans to apply for benefits such as child custody. They have a pending request to have Milner recognized as a legal parent of their son, Jesse, who is only Barraza's son under the law. Barraza called the ruling disappointing.

    "I know these things take time, but every day there's a degree of anxiety about our family and our situation with our son," Barraza said. "We just want all the protections that come along with marriage, for our family to be treated fairly like anyone else."

    Utah Gov. Gary Herbert applauded the Supreme Court's decision. "I believe states have the right to determine their laws regarding marriage and, as I have said all along, that decision will ultimately come from the United States Supreme Court," he said in a statement.

    The Supreme Court's order doesn't apply to any other states, but it could foretell how the high court would deal with similar situations elsewhere, said Douglas NeJaime, a University of California-Irvine law professor. Hundreds of other gay couples also married in Michigan, Wisconsin and Indiana after state bans were struck down and before those rulings were put on hold.

    The order from the high court does not, however, reveal anything about how the justices might eventually rule on the overarching issue of the constitutionality of state gay marriage bans, NeJaime said.

    "It's just saying that it makes sense to keep things they are until there is a ruling on the merits," NeJaime said.

    In January, the Supreme Court granted Utah's request to bring gay marriages to a halt pending appeal.

    In its request to the high court this week, Utah argued benefits should be delayed until that larger issue of marriage bans makes its way through the courts.

    The American Civil Liberties Union, which filed the benefits lawsuit on behalf of four couples including Barraza and Milner, says the marriages are valid no matter what is ultimately decided on the ban.

    This case regarding state benefits for the Utah couples is separate from the ongoing judicial review of the constitutionality of the state's same-sex marriage ban. In that case, the 10th Circuit recently upheld the December opinion from a federal judge in Utah who overturned the ban. Utah state officials plan to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Legal experts say the Supreme Court eventually will take a gay marriage case after one or more appeals court rulings, but that won't happen until 2015 at the earliest. And the high court is under no obligation to take up the issue. The three-judge 10th Circuit panel that ruled in favor of gay marriage in cases out of Utah and Oklahoma is the first to rule out of six circuits hearing appeals.

    Utah's same-sex marriage ban was struck down in December. Utah officials froze benefits for the couples, arguing it had no choice but to hold off until an appeals court ruled on same-sex marriage. That triggered the lawsuit from the ACLU.

    In May, a different federal judge sided with the gay couples, ruling Utah must grant benefits — such as child custody — to those couples. But the decision was put on hold.

    This month, the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals denied Utah's request for an indefinite delay on the ruling and gave Utah until July 21 to ask the Supreme Court to weigh in.

     

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/supreme-court-delays-benefits-utah-gay-couples-24626752

     
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    Re: Judge OKs Gay Marriage in Florida Keys.

    What will Jimmy BUFFEY say ????

     
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    Re: Judge OKs Gay Marriage in Florida Keys.

    In response to Bill-806's comment:

    What will Jimmy BUFFEY say ????




    What would Jimmy Buffet say....????? "Pour me something tall and strong..make it a hurricane before I go insane. It's only half past 12 but I don't care....it's 5 o'clock somewhere..."

     
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    Re: Judge OKs Gay Marriage in Florida Keys.

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    First, I'd like to thank 'sprague1953' for the very informative, over-view, post.

    Based on what litle I know about the national situation it appears that the hold-out states are waiting for a decision from the US Supreme Court which is a majority of Christians.

    One can only wonder if they will follow their christian beliefs ... Or what!

    Florida's current hold (appeal) will most likely continue until this Novembers General Ballot since the question of same-sex marriage will be voted on by the populas and NOT the court/s.

    I found the adoption/custody case to be interesting and may comment on that issue later.

       Any More Comments? 

     

     

                      ~ LAST MAN STANDING 'SHOOT-OUT' ~

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXYOUAG5FE&feature=em-subs_digest" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXYOUAG5FE&feature=em-subs_digest



    First, you are welcome for the "overview" post.

    Second, as to your statement, "Based on what litle I know about the national situation it appears that the hold-out states are waiting for a decision from the US Supreme Court which is a majority of Christians."

    Of course we have separation of church and state in this country and nobody should be more aware of that than a Supreme Court Justice.

    However, in the recent Hobby Lobby decision, the five Catholic justices went with Hobby Lobby. Now that might be just a coincidence but...

     
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    Re: Judge OKs Gay Marriage in Florida Keys.

    In response to -V-'s comment:


    First, I'd like to thank 'sprague1953' for the very informative, over-view, post.

    Based on what litle I know about the national situation it appears that the hold-out states are waiting for a decision from the US Supreme Court which is a majority of Christians.

    One can only wonder if they will follow their christian beliefs ... Or what!

    Florida's current hold (appeal) will most likely continue until this Novembers General Ballot since the question of same-sex marriage will be voted on by the populas and NOT the court/s.

    I found the adoption/custody case to be interesting and may comment on that issue later.

       Any More Comments? 

     

     

                      ~ LAST MAN STANDING 'SHOOT-OUT' ~

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXYOUAG5FE&feature=em-subs_digest" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXYOUAG5FE&feature=em-subs_digest



    I would hope that Supreme Court Justices put aside whatever beliefs or lack thereof in any decisions they make and instead look at both legal precedent and the Constitution. They are supposed to rule on civil law, not religious law. We are not a theocracy. We are a Democratic Republic that is open to all people regardless of religious faith and should base our laws on that fact. 

     
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    Re: Judge OKs Gay Marriage in Florida Keys.

    In response to hypertext's comment:

    In response to -V-'s comment:

    In response to devildavid's comment:

    In response to -V-'s comment:


    First, I'd like to thank 'sprague1953' for the very informative, over-view, post.

    Based on what litle I know about the national situation it appears that the hold-out states are waiting for a decision from the US Supreme Court which is a majority of Christians.

    One can only wonder if they will follow their christian beliefs ... Or what!

    Florida's current hold (appeal) will most likely continue until this Novembers General Ballot since the question of same-sex marriage will be voted on by the populas and NOT the court/s.

    I found the adoption/custody case to be interesting and may comment on that issue later.

       Any More Comments? 

     

     

                      ~ LAST MAN STANDING 'SHOOT-OUT' ~

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXYOUAG5FE&feature=em-subs_digest" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXYOUAG5FE&feature=em-subs_digest" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXYOUAG5FE&feature=em-subs_digest" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXYOUAG5FE&feature=em-subs_digest" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXYOUAG5FE&feature=em-subs_digest" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXYOUAG5FE&feature=em-subs_digest" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXYOUAG5FE&feature=em-subs_digest" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXYOUAG5FE&feature=em-subs_digest



    I would hope that Supreme Court Justices put aside whatever beliefs or lack thereof in any decisions they make and instead look at both legal precedent and the Constitution. They are supposed to rule on civil law, not religious law. We are not a theocracy. We are a Democratic Republic that is open to all people regardless of religious faith and should base our laws on that fact. 


       Good Point on the religious aspect.

    However I suspect that there will be additional,

    valid, issues to be argued other then just religion.



    Can't imagine any valid reason.



    devildavid stated it very well IMO. 

    As I also posted above, last week we saw another pushback on gay rights. Two cases in two different states where rights that had been won are on hold awaiting court adjudication.

    To me, it looks like the groups against these rights, if they cannot win outright, they will try to delay them in the courts for as long as possible.

    I also find it hypocritical that some of these groups are full of people that are against judicial activism. But when they are losing, they have no problem with having judges step in to help them get their desired outcome.

     
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