June 8 1967

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    Just more propaganda. 

    You need to google a bit more broadly than your self serving talking points.

     
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    Just more propaganda. 

    You need to google a bit more broadly than your self serving talking points.

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    you need to read a book

     
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    Just more propaganda. 

    You need to google a bit more broadly than your self serving talking points.

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    you need to read a book

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    What was the outcome of the DoD investigation on this event?

     
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    never forget. 

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    Obsessed much?

     

     
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    never forget. 

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    Obsessed much?

     

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    i knew you would come make a snotty post in a thread dedicated to US Soldiers. obsessed with me much?

     
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    22 October 2003 — A new report released on Capitol Hill today by former officials from the highest level of the American military and government reveals that Israel “committed acts of murder against American serviceman and an act of war against the United States” when it deliberately attacked the American Navy Ship USS Liberty in 1967, killing 34 and wounding 172 American crewmembers. Israel had alleged that the two-hour attack with napalm, missiles, and torpedoes was a mistake.
    The release of the Independent Commission of Inquiry’s findings is a major step in debunking the myth that Israel is a friend to the United States and the American people, said Alison Weir, Executive Director of If Americans Knew, an organization dedicated to providing information on issues misreported in the American media.

    “The fact that this Independent Commission of Inquiry was made up of prestigious American leaders will encourage the largely misinformed American public to take a closer look at the relationship between Washington and Israel. It is likely that once they examine this ‘friendship,’ Americans will demand a change in their government’s policies, which empower the brutal oppression of the Palestinians,” Weir said.

    Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and four-star Admiral Thomas Moorer is outraged at the cover-up of the attack and the fact that this is the only attack on a US ship that has never been investigated by Congress.

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    A wounded Liberty crew member.
    ”Why would our government put Israel’s interests ahead of our own?” Moorer asked. “Does it continue to do so? This is an important issue that should be investigated by an independent, fully empowered commission of the American government. Our own Independent Commission of Inquiry findings have grave implications for our national security and for the American people. In order to confront this problem, the American people and our elected officers will need to overcome their fear of the pro-Israel lobby in the United States.”
    Members of the Independent Commission of Inquiry have now been joined by the Chief Attorney in the Navy’s original 1967 Court of Inquiry into the case. After remaining silent for more than three decades, Captain Ward Boston describes in a sworn affidavit how he and many others were ordered to never speak about the attack on the USS Liberty.

    “I know from personal conversations I had with Admiral Kidd [president of the Court of Inquiry] that President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of ‘mistaken identity’ despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary,” states the affidavit.

    Captain Boston said he felt compelled to “share the truth” because of “recent attempts to rewrite history.”

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    Post attack, the Liberty is damaged and listing.
    ”In particular, the recent publication of Jay Cristol’s book, The Liberty Incident, twists the facts and misrepresents the views of those of us who investigated the attack� Contrary to the misinformation presented by Cristol and others, it is important for the American people to know that it is clear that Israel is responsible for deliberately attacking an American ship and murdering American sailors,” the affidavit continues.
    In addition, Boston said he is motivated by his opposition to Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. In an interview, he spoke of the sorrow he feels for the Palestinian people and expressed disgust at Israel’s policy of targeting children: “It is terrible what is being done to those [Palestinian] children.”

    Sarah Weir is Projects Director of If Americans Knew, 3284 Adeline St., Suite B, Berkeley, CA 94703.

     
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    Ok. I won't forget how Israel accidentally attacked a U.S. ship in the midst of a war in which all of its peace loving Arab and Palestinian neighbors attempted and epically failed to kill all the Jews.

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    if you really believed what you were saying you wouldn't have to dramatize it so pathetically. 

     
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    you're just obsessed with me

     
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    Listening to random dudes who are in your confirmation bias wheel house is much more fun than using common sense and logic to work things out on your own.

     

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    the survivors of the USS Liberty aren't random dudes. 

     
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    [QUOTE]Israel is responsible for deliberately attacking an American ship and murdering American sailors,” the affidavit continues.



    Believing this stuff doesn't make you edgy. It makes you profoundly gullible.


     


    Nevermind the "random dude is reported to have said X on the internet" stuff....


     


    ....what was Israel's motive to take a couple potshots at one US ship, admit that it happened, and then call it an accident? 


     


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    it's called pretext for war. why did they admit it happened? they had no choice, they failed at sinking the ship and there were survivors. why did they say it was an accident? why would they admit to doing it on purpose? try thinking for yourself. 

     
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    it's called pretext for war.


    It was a pretext for war by who against whom?


     


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    it's called pretext for war.


     


    It was a pretext for war by who against whom?


     


     


     


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    Israel/US vs Egypt

     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBD6Gm6VoDM&feature=youtu.be

     
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    "Never before has the US Navy ignored eye witness testimony of American military to accept on faith the story of their attackers."

     
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    i know that nobody else has the integrity to make a thread in remembrance of the USS Liberty soldiers murdered by Israel so i guess i will be the patriot to do it.

     

    thank you for your service and i apologize on behalf of our puppet government and pacified citizens who refuse to recognize what you went through.  

    [/QUOTE]I was there on Jan. 23 1968 when the  U S S  PUEBLO was hijacked by the NORTH KOREANS.... Again, the NAVY & Government screwed up again as those ships were not much bigger than todays fishing boats.....  A SUB or a DESTROYER could have gathered the same info ....


     
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    i know that nobody else has the integrity to make a thread in remembrance of the USS Liberty soldiers murdered by Israel so i guess i will be the patriot to do it.

     

    thank you for your service and i apologize on behalf of our puppet government and pacified citizens who refuse to recognize what you went through.  

    [/QUOTE]I was there on Jan. 23 1968 when the  U S S  PUEBLO was hijacked by the NORTH KOREANS.... Again, the NAVY & Government screwed up again as those ships were not much bigger than todays fishing boats.....  A SUB or a DESTROYER could have gathered the same info ....


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    as a former Navy officer you will appreciate the video i posted of USS Liberty survivors giving their story of what happened. what a historic injustice. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBD6Gm6VoDM&list=HL1402321373&feature=mh_lolz" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBD6Gm6VoDM&list=HL1402321373&feature=mh_lolz

     

     
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    "USS Liberty: Dead In The Water" (BBC Documentary 2002)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjOH1XMAwZA

     
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    but the US wasn't involved and the US didn't support Israel's take over of the Sinai. amassing troops on your own borders in preparation of defense is not an act of war. 

    for the sake of argument, even if we do accept the ridiculous claim that Israel attacked the Liberty out of negligence, the attack took place in international waters. this territory was not under the control of Israel and they had no authority to attack it. that in itself is a war crime.

    anyone who takes a serious look at the event, thinks rationally, and listens to the testimonies of the survivors has no choice but to accept the fact that our closest ally attacked us. you would have to be the most naive and ignorant person to argue otherwise.

    "Never before has the US Navy ignored eye witness testimony of American military to accept on faith the story of their attackers."

    i side with my American heroes who were aboard that ship. who's side are you on????

     
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    then there was the issue of Israel executing Egyptian POW's and not wanting the Liberty, a top level spy ship, finding out. 

    The following is from an article ("ISRAEL REPORTEDLY KILLED POWS IN '67 WAR: HISTORIANS SAY DEATHS OF HUNDREDS OF EGYPTIANS WAS COVERED UP") in The Washington Post on August 17, 1995:

    "Israeli soldiers killed hundreds of Egyptian prisoners of war during the 1967 Middle East war - deaths that commanders who are now prominent leaders have known about for years, historians said today. The controversy involves some top politicians, including Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and legislator Rafael Eitan [who also gave us U.S. Navy spy Jonathan Pollard, and then lied about it], a former army chief. The allegations dominated news shows, shocking many Israelis who have long prized the notion that their army maintained high ethical standards throughout decades of warfare with the Arab world and military rule over Palestinians. The Army spokesman, Brig. Gen. Amos Gilad, refused to comment. Rabin, who was chief of staff when some of the 1967 killings allegedly were committed, walked away today when a reporter shouted a related question. His office later issued a statement denouncing the killings and calling them isolated incidents.
    "Military historian Aryeh Yitzhaki said today that Israeli troops carried out several mass killings in 1967 in which about 1,000 Egyptian prisoners were slain in the Sinai. Yitzhaki, who worked in the army's history department after the war, said he and other officers collected testimony from dozens of solders who admitted killing POWs. He said a report on the killings submitted to his superiors has been locked in a safe at military headquarters.

    "Another Israeli historian, Uri Milstein, said there were many incidents in the 1967 war in which Egyptian soldiers were killed by Israeli troops after they had raised their hands in surrender.

    "It was not an official policy, but there was an atmosphere that it was okay to do it," Milstein said. "Some commanders decided to do it; others refused. But everyone knew about it."

    The following is from an article ("HISTORIAN ALLEGES POW DEATHS IN 1956, 1967") posted by the Jewish Telegraph Agency on August 17, 1995:

    "An Israeli military historian has said he knew of hundreds of Egyptian prisoners of war who were killed during the 1967 Six-Day War by Israel Defense Force troops, including a unit headed by the current Israeli housing minister. Military historian Aryeh Yitzhaki of Bar-Illan University told Israel Radio on Wednesday that the killings involved a crack unit led by now Housing Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer. Yitzhaki said the executions of 300 to 400 Egyptian commandos in El Arish was the worse case he knew, given that many of the Egyptians had surrendered. They were killed by members of the Shaked commando unit under the command of Ben-Eliezer, a lieutenant colonel at the time, he said. Ben-Eliezer said he was unaware of any prisoner killings.
    "Referring to the Six-Day War, Yitzhaki said not only were the executions known, but a report he prepared in 1968 on the deaths was not released under instructions from higher authorities. Responding to the reports, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin said he thought such incidents were exceptions to the norm and that they should be condemned by all."

    The following is from a front page article ("DEBATE TAINTING IMAGE OF PURITY WRENCHES ISRAELIS: A MORE OPEN SOCIETY TAKES UP KILLING OF POWS DURING WARS") in The Washington Post on August 19, 1995:

    "This week, as more soldiers came forward to say they saw fellow Israelis kill unarmed enemies in decades past, a long-suppressed public reckoning began. The stakes are profound for an army whose "purity of arms" has been the core of its self-image through five wars. . . . Also Wednesday, military historian Arye Yitzhaki of Bar Ilan University accused a storied reconnaissance unit, known as Shaked (Almond), of killing hundreds of Egyptians who had abandoned their weapons and fled into the desert in the 1967 Middle East war. . . . One day after Yitzhaki's charge came a first-person account by Gabi Brun of Yedioth Aharonoth, the country's most widely read tabloid. He wrote of watching Israeli troops execute five Egyptian prisoners in the Sinai Desert town of El Arish in 1967. The first of the five, he wrote, was forced to dig the grave. Each of them in turn was shot dead in it. "For a Jew to read this description, I don't know what to say," said left-wing activist Uri Avinery, who is demanding prosecution of Israeli war criminals. "This is the typical SS technique. This is a Nazi story in the most literal sense of the word." . . . . [Ariel] Sharon, interviewed at home today, [described] the sudden debate of old war crimes as "a kind of national suicide. Israel doesn't need this, and no one can preach to us about it - no one," he said. "The Israeli armed forces are a model and symbol of high moral values . . . We speak about an event that took place 40 years ago. Now, when all of us live in a different condition, it's very hard sitting in armchairs and air-conditioned rooms to try and understand what happened on those battlefields. . . . I'm not justifying things like that." . . . . Rabin, too, described this week's traumatic debate as akin to 'national suicide.'"
    The following is from an article ("RABIN REFUSES TO PROBE ALLEGED ISRAELI WAR CRIMES") in the Minneapolis Star Tribune on August 21, 1995:

    "Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin rejected calls Sunday to investigate long-suppressed allegations of Israeli war crimes against Egyptian prisoners of war, saying both sides were guilty of aberrations.
    "I'm not saying there were no aberrations," Rabin told the Cabinet in his first substantive remarks on the alleged atrocities. "There were aberrations on both sides. There is no purpose in raising events of the past, not on our side and not on theirs. . . . Cabinet Secretary Shmuel Hollander said Rabin stressed Sunday that "these events were real exceptions." Israel is reeling from two weeks of revelations that its soldiers killed prisoners and civilians in at least three Mideast Wars. The disclosures have shaken the widely held conviction among Israelis that their citizen-soldiers were morally superior to other armies. . . Military historian Aryeh Yitzhaki charged that Israeli troops carried out mass killings in the Sinai in 1967 in which 1,000 Egyptian prisoners died . . . Many questions remain unanswered, including the extent of the alleged crimes, why details were censored for so long and the involvement of senior Israeli officials, including Rabin, who was Army chief of staff during the 1967 war."

    The following is from an article (AFTER A GENERAL TELLS OF KILLING POWS IN 1956, ISRAELIS ARGUE OVER ETHICS OF WAR) that appeared in The New York Times on August 21, 1995:

    "At the same time, a reporter for Yediot Ahronot, Gabi Bron, described atrocities that he witnessed in the 1967 war: "The Egyptian prisoners of war were ordered to dig pits and then army police shot them to death. I witnessed the executions with my own eyes in the morning of June 8, in the airport area of El Arish."
    The following is from a front page article (EGYPT SAYS ISRAELIS KILLED POWS IN '67 WAR) in The New York Times on September 21, 1995:

    "Egypt said today that it had discovered two mass graves in the Sinai [near El Arish] containing the remains of Egyptian prisoners of war and unarmed civilians shot by Israeli soldiers during the 1967 war. . . . At the same time, an Israeli historian said that as many as 300 unarmed Egyptian were killed in both the 1967 war and in the war of 1956. Those reports led to other allegations and revelations. . . . "I saw a line of prisoners, civilians and military, and they opened fire at them all at once," Mr. [Abdelsalam] Moussa was quoted as saying. "When they were dead, they told us to bury them. . . Al Ahram [an Egyptian newspaper] also quoted a bedouin, Suleman Moghnem Salameh, who said he saw Israelis kill about 30 Egyptian soldiers and officers after they surrendered, leaving them for the Bedouins to bury. . . . President Mubarak has called for an investigation in Israel and punishment of those responsible. Israel responded by sending Elli Dayan, a Deputy Foreign Minister, to discuss the matter. During his visit here, he offered compensation to the victims but noted Israel's 20-year statute of limitations."
    Next, again parroting the Shalem Center's Mr. Oren, Aftergood charges:

    "Meanwhile, Bamford infers that the Israelis must have known that they were attacking an American ship because, as he discovered, an American surveillance aircraft was flying overhead at the time and it recorded Israeli pilots' references to a U.S. flag.
    "But Bamford's source, the American airman and linguist who recorded those communications, reached an 'opposite' conclusion. Marvin E. Nowicki wrote in a letter to the Wall Street Journal (16 May 2001) that the Israeli military forces 'prosecuted the Liberty until their operators had an opportunity to get close-in and see the flag, hence the references to the flag.' The attack, he believes, 'was a gross error.'"

     
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    we're talking about one of the most intelligent military's in the world. they don't make mistakes like that. they are trained to know and be able to identify different ships. ask anyone who has ever been in the Navy. it's a requirement. the Liberty was one of the most unique and identifiable ships of it's time. for Israel to mistake it for the out-of-service horse carrier El Quseir is impossible. and you have to be extremely naive to believe that they didn't know the difference. have you ever compared the two ships? obviously not. 

    and again, the attack took place in international waters. THAT. IS. A. WAR. CRIME.

     

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