Karl Rove is proud that he helped turn America into a torture state

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    Karl Rove is proud that he helped turn America into a torture state

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8563547.stm
     
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    Re: Karl Rove is proud that he helped turn America into a torture state

    Clueless libs think bugs in the prison cell was "torture", too..along with basic cable, no Playboy channel...
    Enhanced interrogation saved thousands of American lives.
    It was legal and necessary.

    Waterboarding was only used a limited number of times against the very high Al Qaeda leadership. It was not torture.

    It is far more humane than Obama's unmanned drones shooting missiles which vaporize Al Qaeda suspects in Pakistan. Yet you paragons of phony morality dont seem to blubber about this...
     
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    Re: Karl Rove is proud that he helped turn America into a torture state

    If Hanson had a savage in his custody who he knew had information about the bomb that was going to kill all of his friends in Cambridge, he would get the man a lawyer.  Nice.  Perhaps a tofu burger, some slippers and a snuggie to keep him warm???

    Or...you could hook him to a lie detector, and cut off a finger every time he lied to you and save American lives.

    Muslim extremist terrorists are savages.  All they know is force, Hansoning them will get people killed.

    Hanson, is extending the rights of our Constitution to terrorists on foreign soil MORE important than actual American lives??  It's a yes or no question. 


     
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    If Hanson had a savage in his custody who he knew had information about the bomb that was going to kill all of his friends in Cambridge, he would get the man a lawyer.
    Posted by macnh1



    it's sad that you think the world is just like "24". And pathetic that you'll take a dump on everything this country stands for because of it
     
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    She wouldn't know go to Navy Seal training. 48 hrs no sleep, swimming in freezing water, sit without moving  for hours. Just to save a fat @ss like hers.
    Posted by chiefhowie


    you can't volunteer for something and call it torture

    meanwhile, the closest you've ever gotten to Navy Seal training was watching GI Jane, internet tough guy
     
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    Re: Karl Rove is proud that he helped turn America into a torture state

    Waterboarding was only used a limited number of times
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    Sure, if you think 266 times against only 2 people is limited.
     
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    Re: Karl Rove is proud that he helped turn America into a torture state

    macnh1 -

    would you cut off a terrorist's fingers to get information? An arm? Do you have any limit to what you'd do?
     
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    Re: Karl Rove is proud that he helped turn America into a torture state

    Muslim extremist terrorists are savages.  All they know is force...

    Or...you could hook him to a lie detector, and cut off a finger every time he lied to you

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    Congratulations you've managed, in one post, to prove beyond any doubt you are a savage, no better than the terrorists. How's it feel? I bet it something you're proud of, huh? You're so proud to be as savage as those you propose to be better than.
    Guess we'll have to start hunting you down when we're done with the terrorists.
     
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    Waterboarding was only used a limited number of times against the very high Al Qaeda leadership. It was not torture.
    Posted by BobinVa


    Tell that to Christopher Hitchens. I trust you don't find him to be too much of a liberal

    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808
     
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    She wouldn't know go to Navy Seal training. 48 hrs no sleep, swimming in freezing water, sit without moving  for hours. Just to save a fat @ss like hers.
    Posted by chiefhowie


    As a former spec op guy and disabled vet I have no problem letting Hanson speak, or you for that matter. If you believe that freedon of speech is only for those you agree with then you're in the wrong country. Maybe you should move to a nice warm Fascist country like Venezuela or how about Iran.
     
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    Re: Karl Rove is proud that he helped turn America into a torture state

    Hanson, is extending the rights of our Constitution to terrorists on foreign soil MORE important than actual American lives??  It's a yes or no question.
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    What a stupid question.
    Hey mac, have you stopped beating your wife?
    It's a yes or no question.
     
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    Only an anti-American kook like you would call America a torture state. And of course you would be one of the first to really torture someone if it were one of your loved ones that could be saved.
    Posted by Newtster



    so now I'm anti-American? Man...they really hate it when you interrupt their echo chamber

    and of course I'd torture someone if my loved one's life was on the line - that's why we don't let people in that position make those decisions.

    Again, Jack Bauer is a character on a television show...he's not really out there tonight keeping you safe
     
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    In Response to Re: Karl Rove is proud that he helped turn America into a torture state : it's sad that you think the world is just like "24". And pathetic that you'll take a dump on everything this country stands for because of it
    Posted by Hansonbrother


    I've never seen 24.  The US Constitution ends at our shores.  I would be happy to see a terrorist tortured if it saved your life.    
     
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    macnh1 - would you cut off a terrorist's fingers to get information? An arm? Do you have any limit to what you'd do?
    Posted by Hansonbrother


    If we have a foreign terrorist and we have reason to believe that individual has information that will save American lives or American soldiers....no limits.

    Do terrorists who strap bombs to pregnant women and blow them up at busy market places full of men, women and children have limits???

    You want to take a nicey nice reasonable approach to unreasonable irrational people who thrive on the weaknesses and fear of their enemies and want you dead because you don't believe in the same God that they do.

    Fighting terrorism isn't the same as enforcing parking rules around Harvard Square. 

    You should be grateful that people in the military and the CIA are willing to stop at nothing to keep you safe.
     
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    Re: Karl Rove is proud that he helped turn America into a torture state

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    In Response to Re: Karl Rove is proud that he helped turn America into a torture state : If we have a foreign terrorist and we have reason to believe that individual has information that will save American lives or American soldiers....no limits. Do terrorists who strap bombs to pregnant women and blow them up at busy market places full of men, women and children have limits??? You want to take a nicey nice reasonable approach to unreasonable irrational people who thrive on the weaknesses and fear of their enemies and want you dead because you don't believe in the same God that they do. Fighting terrorism isn't the same as enforcing parking rules around Harvard Square.  You should be grateful that people in the military and the CIA are willing to stop at nothing to keep you safe.
    Posted by macnh1


    Couple of problems with your argument.
    First So you torture a guy, I mean rip out fingernails, the whole bit. He gives you info on a bomb to go off in Harvard Square. You send all your resources to that area. Problem is, he really didn't have any knowledge of a bomb. He made it up to stop the pain. Meanwhile a terrorist with a bomb slips into another part of the city. He would have been caught if you hadn't sent all your resources to Harvard. So the only thing you've accomplished is you've opened a gaping hole in the security perimeter and allowed the terrorists in, purely because you believe torture works.

    Second the US military adheres to the Geneva Conventions and the USCMJ. As a matter of fact the interogation procedures in the Army field manual specifically say no torture. So they aren't some Rambos out there killing and maiming evrything in sight. As much as this would be a wet dream for many of the wingnuts on this board, it's not the way their trained or how they conduct themselves.
     
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    Re: Karl Rove is proud that he helped turn America into a torture state

    The first part of your argument happens every time all the time? Is that what you believe or is it all you can put together to hold together a pretty weak argument? Gitmo is probably full of innocent victims of bad intel, right? Would the terrorist be in custody had we not caught him doing something like constructing and placing IED's, engaging in combat against friendly forces, conspiring to commit violent acts...selling poppy at the bazaar...
    A little discomfort doesn't equal torture no matter how ignorant you are of interrogation procedures.

    I recommend you read a book on or Google "terrorism".

    Joe soldier isn't paid, trained, nor on the battlefield conducting torture. We have 3-lettered government agencies and specially trained military folks far from injun country that take care of getting information from suspects.

    You should thank the wingnuts for putting yours and every other American lives ahead of the personal comforts of a few extremists. The same extremists who wouldn't think twice about sawing your infidel head off.

    It's the weak gut-less position you liberals have that give these extremists motivation to keep up their jihad. It also doesn't help the cause that our CIC apologizes to the world as soon as he takes office.

     
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    "Karl Rove is proud that he helped turn America into a torture state"

    Actually torture is watching Obama destroy this country at record pace.  What Rove and company did between 2002 and 2008 is keep us safe.
     
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    The first part of your argument happens every time all the time? Is that what you believe or is it all you can put together to hold together a pretty weak argument? Gitmo is probably full of innocent victims of bad intel, right? Would the terrorist be in custody had we not caught him doing something like constructing and placing IED's, engaging in combat against friendly forces, conspiring to commit violent acts...selling poppy at the bazaar... A little discomfort doesn't equal torture no matter how ignorant you are of interrogation procedures. I recommend you read a book on or Google "terrorism". Joe soldier isn't paid, trained, nor on the battlefield conducting torture. We have 3-lettered government agencies and specially trained military folks far from injun country that take care of getting information from suspects. You should thank the wingnuts for putting yours and every other American lives ahead of the personal comforts of a few extremists. The same extremists who wouldn't think twice about sawing your infidel head off. It's the weak gut-less position you liberals have that give these extremists motivation to keep up their jihad. It also doesn't help the cause that our CIC apologizes to the world as soon as he takes office.
    Posted by s0ftsquash


    The answer to your question is apparently a (qualified) yes.  Hundreds of Gitmo prisoners have been released while only a handful have been prosecuted.  Best torture them all.  Get them to confess to something so we can make the enterprise worthwhile.  Especially those Uyghur people: they may be political refugees from China grabbed by mistake in the war, but some waterboarding will get them to gurgle and sing the "truth" of their sins.

    And as to your second point, you are right again: more torturing of innocent people will stop this jihad business.  In fact if we just torture everyone we can truly enjoy the freedoms inherent in this great nation. 

    One last question:  Could you personally torture someone who is only suspected of being a terrorist?  No Jack Bauer fantasy of an immediate, impending threat, just a suspect.  How far would you go? 
     
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    Re: Karl Rove is proud that he helped turn America into a torture state

    waterboarding is torture. This is not debateable

    If America waterboards, America is a torture state

    it's not complicated
     
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    In Response to Re: Karl Rove is proud that he helped turn America into a torture state : I know you didn't start this thread but I'll ask anyway - so is America a "torture state" or not????
    Posted by Newtster


    For a while we were.  At least for foreign suspects.
     
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    Re: Karl Rove is proud that he helped turn America into a torture state

    The U.S. military waterboards hundreds of our own soldiers every year.  It is part of the conditioning Special Forces troops undergo to prepare for battle and the possibility of capture by the enemy.
    It is unpleasant. It should not be used without cause.
    But the suspects survives with no after affects.

    Waterboarding is not torture.
     
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