Kelly Ayotte and Friends

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    Kelly Ayotte and Friends

    EDITORIAL

    Deception on Gun Background Checks

     A strange thing happened after 45 senators killed a bill to expand background checks for gun buyers five weeks ago: many of those same senators suddenly discovered a profound affection for background checks. They had been for them all along, it turns out, and wanted nothing more than to keep guns out of the hands of felons.

     “Knowing your interest in gun control, I wanted to give you an update on legislation I have co-sponsored and supported recently,” Senator Dean Heller, Republican of Nevada, wrote to his constituents earlier this month. “I have been adamant from the beginning of the gun control debate that our current background check system needs strengthening and improving.”

    Mr. Heller says he was a co-sponsor of a bill called the National Instant Criminal Background Check System Reporting Improvement Act. He doesn’t explain that the bill would have made it easier for people involuntarily committed to mental institutions to own guns. And nowhere does he mention that he actually voted against a far more important proposal, sponsored by Senators Joe Manchin III and Patrick Toomey, that would have required background checks for buyers at gun shows and over the Internet.

    That bipartisan measure would have closed a gap that has let millions of guns get into the wrong hands. At the time, Mr. Heller said he voted against it because it would have led to the creation of a gun registry, though the bill would actually have made such a registry explicitly illegal.

    This kind of dissembling by gun control opponents has been rampant for years, but rarely have the National Rifle Association’s most captive lawmakers been so nakedly deceptive as in the weeks since public rage grew over the gun vote.

     Senator Kelly Ayotte, Republican of New Hampshire, also voted against the Manchin Toomey measure, and she immediately suffered the backlash of angry voters in her state. So she issued a statement saying “I support effective background checks” and reminding voters that she had backed the misleadingly named Protecting Communities and Preserving the Second Amendment Act — a measure that does nothing to close the loopholes for Internet or gun-show sales and that was, in fact, supported by the N.R.A. because it actually makes it easier to transport guns across state lines.

    Polls have shown that the vast majority of New Hampshire residents support checks on all gun sales. Infuriated by Ms. Ayotte’s attempt to paper over her own voting record, Mayors Against Illegal Guns (a group financed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg) produced a video ad pointing out that she was the only New England senator to vote against background checks “when it counted.”

    These ads are having an effect, putting many gun-lobby senators on the defensive. Rather than admit that they fearfully follow the dictates of the N.R.A., these senators are instead seeking to fool voters by supporting measures with fancy titles and hollow cores. “Contrary to the ad, I did vote to strengthen background checks,” said Senator Jeff Flake, Republican of Arizona, though he emphatically did not.

    This issue is not going away. The true supporters of background checks have promised another vote in the months to come. Those who really want to keep guns out of the wrong hands will have to stand up and prove it.

     
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    An editorial, which is fine.  Things like :" He doesn’t explain that the bill would have made it easier for people involuntarily committed to mental institutions to own guns. " without backup leads me to beleive what we have here is hysterical arm waving and Republican bashing.

    As far as things like: "Polls have shown that the vast majority of New Hampshire residents support checks on all gun sales.", well, too bad.  Gun ownership is an uninfringable right, according to the consittution.  I guess these same voters are fine with the IRS auditing and refusing certification for those who disagree with the IRS as well.  Rights are not always neat can clean like shrinkwrapped produce.

    As far as Ayotte, she is in the cross-hairs of the Democrats for sure.  I'm mixed on her myself.  Too many photo ops with that "maverick" McCain and his sidekick Graham.

     
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    Ayotte voted that way because she was afraid it would pave the way for the federal government to have too much information on gun buyers leading to a gun registry and abuse of power by the federal government due to the nature of the information....

    People thought she was being paranoid...then a few weeks later we learned of the IRS scandal....game, set and match in favor of Ayotte.

     
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    Ayotte was getting whacked by a viscious ad from the Bloomberg Dem Mayors club, I was happy to see the Future Fund Ad that paints a better picture of what Ayotte stands for.  She has the backing of NH law enforcement officials and common sense residents.

     
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    Ayotte voted that way because she was afraid it would pave the way for the federal government to have too much information on gun buyers leading to a gun registry and abuse of power by the federal government due to the nature of the information....

    People thought she was being paranoid...then a few weeks later we learned of the IRS scandal....game, set and match in favor of Ayotte.

     



    Apparently you didn't read/comprehend the article, nor the bill, which expressly forbid such a registry. And the IRS scandal has nothing to do with this. OK then.

     

     
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    Ayotte was getting whacked by a viscious ad from the Bloomberg Dem Mayors club, I was happy to see the Future Fund Ad that paints a better picture of what Ayotte stands for.  She has the backing of NH law enforcement officials and common sense residents.



    You mean the bill, which 90% of the public supported, lacked common sense?

     
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    Ayotte voted that way because she was afraid it would pave the way for the federal government to have too much information on gun buyers leading to a gun registry and abuse of power by the federal government due to the nature of the information....

    People thought she was being paranoid...then a few weeks later we learned of the IRS scandal....game, set and match in favor of Ayotte.

     



    Apparently you didn't read/comprehend the article, nor the bill, which expressly forbid such a registry. 

     



    Oh so that must mean it can never be added later. Ok then.

     
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    Nobody is taking your guns, nor are they banning tin foil.



    My guns? good luck!

    Tin foil? pfft, I can always use saran wrap.

     
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    Ayotte voted that way because she was afraid it would pave the way for the federal government to have too much information on gun buyers leading to a gun registry and abuse of power by the federal government due to the nature of the information....

    People thought she was being paranoid...then a few weeks later we learned of the IRS scandal....game, set and match in favor of Ayotte.

     



    Apparently you didn't read/comprehend the article, nor the bill, which expressly forbid such a registry. 

     

     



    Oh so that must mean it can never be added later. Ok then.

     

     



    Anything can be added later. Expressly forbidding it was a powerful message, however. Otherwise, It was just an excuse, and some shall lose their seats. Regardless, expect subsequent attempts; though I doubt there shall be 37 of them ala Obamacare, which is flawed, FWIW.

     

     
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    Ayotte voted that way because she was afraid it would pave the way for the federal government to have too much information on gun buyers leading to a gun registry and abuse of power by the federal government due to the nature of the information....

    People thought she was being paranoid...then a few weeks later we learned of the IRS scandal....game, set and match in favor of Ayotte.

     



    Apparently you didn't read/comprehend the article, nor the bill, which expressly forbid such a registry. 

     

     



    Oh so that must mean it can never be added later. Ok then.

     

     



    Anything can be added later. It was just an excuse. Regardless, expect subsequent attempts; though I doubt there shall be 37 of them ala Obamacare, which is flawed, FWIW.

     



    I would expect eventually it will get passed. I'm ok with that. But buyer beware

     
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    Ayotte voted that way because she was afraid it would pave the way for the federal government to have too much information on gun buyers leading to a gun registry and abuse of power by the federal government due to the nature of the information....

    People thought she was being paranoid...then a few weeks later we learned of the IRS scandal....game, set and match in favor of Ayotte.

     



    Apparently you didn't read/comprehend the article, nor the bill, which expressly forbid such a registry. 

     

     



    Oh so that must mean it can never be added later. Ok then.

     

     



    Anything can be added later. It was just an excuse. Regardless, expect subsequent attempts; though I doubt there shall be 37 of them ala Obamacare, which is flawed, FWIW.

     

     



    I would expect eventually it will get passed. I'm ok with that. But buyer beware

     




    Of course, like any bill.

     
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    Gun ownership is an uninfringable right, according to the consittution. 



    That's not true.

    A healthy swath of citizens are restricted from owning guns of any kind.  "Infringed", they are...constitution or not.  

    Hence the logic behind background checks.

     

     

     
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    A healthy swath of citizens are restricted from owning guns of any kind.  "Infringed", they are...constitution or not.  

    Hence the logic behind background checks. 



    Law abiding citizens!

    Background check laws lol

    Criminals by definition DO NOT OBEY THE LAW or obtain guns legally!

    If, people were truly concerned about gun violence they would talk about the real issues, inner city violence, drug addiction, mental illness and most importantly IMHO the heavy pharmaceutical drug addiction problem we have and the over prescribed psychotic drug problem in this country!!

    Stop the insanity of GUN CONTROL and get real about the problem!!

     

     
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    A healthy swath of citizens are restricted from owning guns of any kind.  "Infringed", they are...constitution or not.  

    Hence the logic behind background checks. 

     



    Law abiding citizens!

     

    Background check laws lol

    Criminals by definition DO NOT OBEY THE LAW or obtain guns legally!

    If, people were truly concerned about gun violence they would talk about the real issues, inner city violence, drug addiction, mental illness and most importantly IMHO the heavy pharmaceutical drug addiction problem we have and the over prescribed psychotic drug problem in this country!!

    Stop the insanity of GUN CONTROL and get real about the problem!!

     



    That doesn't mean that legally obtained guns aren't used in crimes.  Happens all the time.  Background checks themselves won't end crime, but they might prevent some guns from falling into the wrong hands...a legislative risk that's worth taking, IMO.

    Nice, but nobody really wants to talk about those issues honestly, and even fewer people want to pay anything to solve them.  And criminal acts in and of themselves are not signs of mental illness.

    The failed war on drugs is lamentable, but that's to say nothing of the other socio-economic causes which regretfully force the hands of many lawbreakers.

     

     
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    Ayotte voted that way because she was afraid it would pave the way for the federal government to have too much information on gun buyers leading to a gun registry and abuse of power by the federal government due to the nature of the information....

    People thought she was being paranoid...then a few weeks later we learned of the IRS scandal....game, set and match in favor of Ayotte.



    Too bad.  Any attempt to curb gun violence will result in risks to assumed liberties.  Anyone who's serious about the problem knows this. Entrenched interests have their own power plays at work on this issue.

    The IRS scandal has zilch to do with Ayotte or the gun legislation.  Nice try, but not really.

     

     

     
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    A healthy swath of citizens are restricted from owning guns of any kind.  "Infringed", they are...constitution or not.  

    Hence the logic behind background checks. 

     



    Law abiding citizens!

     

    Background check laws lol

    Criminals by definition DO NOT OBEY THE LAW or obtain guns legally!

    If, people were truly concerned about gun violence they would talk about the real issues, inner city violence, drug addiction, mental illness and most importantly IMHO the heavy pharmaceutical drug addiction problem we have and the over prescribed psychotic drug problem in this country!!

    Stop the insanity of GUN CONTROL and get real about the problem!!

     

     



    That doesn't mean that legally obtained guns aren't used in crimes.  Happens all the time.  Background checks themselves won't end crime, but they might prevent some guns from falling into the wrong hands...a legislative risk that's worth taking, IMO.

     

    True, background checks might prevent some legally purchased guns from falling into the wrong hands. Of course, if that person denied a gun wants one bad enough it's not really going to be a problem finding one. Criminals don't seem to have any issue finding them.

     

     




     
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    True, background checks might prevent some legally purchased guns from falling into the wrong hands. Of course, if that person denied a gun wants one bad enough it's not really going to be a problem finding one. Criminals don't seem to have any issue finding them.

     


    Indeed, deterrence is funny like that.

    It's difficult to know how many crimes were prevented by a simple traffic stop or an observant clerk.  Even with background checks, it's still up to the sellers to act responsibly.

    Kind of like if a bartender thinks you're too drunk and refuses to serve you; then you go down the street to another bar which serves you, and you end up with a DUI or worse as a result.

    For me, it's hard to feel bad about a law which tries to curb behaviors that everyone knows are wrong but play dumb about.  Background checks just seem like the very least we can do (and even then we can't pass the damm thing) to address the problem.

     
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    A healthy swath of citizens are restricted from owning guns of any kind.  "Infringed", they are...constitution or not.  

    Hence the logic behind background checks. 

     



    Law abiding citizens!

     

    Background check laws lol

    Criminals by definition DO NOT OBEY THE LAW or obtain guns legally!

    If, people were truly concerned about gun violence they would talk about the real issues, inner city violence, drug addiction, mental illness and most importantly IMHO the heavy pharmaceutical drug addiction problem we have and the over prescribed psychotic drug problem in this country!!

    Stop the insanity of GUN CONTROL and get real about the problem!!

     

     



    Tell that to Australia, Scotland, China, Japan, GB, and Russia. I assume you know what I'm talking about.

     

     
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    True, background checks might prevent some legally purchased guns from falling into the wrong hands. Of course, if that person denied a gun wants one bad enough it's not really going to be a problem finding one. Criminals don't seem to have any issue finding them.

     

     


    Indeed, deterrence is funny like that.

    It's difficult to know how many crimes were prevented by a simple traffic stop or an observant clerk.  Even with background checks, it's still up to the sellers to act responsibly.

    Kind of like if a bartender thinks you're too drunk and refuses to serve you; then you go down the street to another bar which serves you, and you end up with a DUI or worse as a result.

    For me, it's hard to feel bad about a law which tries to curb behaviors that everyone knows are wrong but play dumb about.  Background checks just seem like the very least we can do (and even then we can't pass the damm thing) to address the problem.



    Oh I want background checks to pass. Very much so... : )

     
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    Ayotte voted that way because she was afraid it would pave the way for the federal government to have too much information on gun buyers leading to a gun registry and abuse of power by the federal government due to the nature of the information....

    People thought she was being paranoid...then a few weeks later we learned of the IRS scandal....game, set and match in favor of Ayotte.

     



    Apparently you didn't read/comprehend the article, nor the bill, which expressly forbid such a registry. And the IRS scandal has nothing to do with this. OK then.

     



    Right. And social security numbers can't be used for identification purposes.

    so, they will create a list/registry, and then never look at it?

    i was born at night but it wasn't last night.

     
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    Ayotte voted that way because she was afraid it would pave the way for the federal government to have too much information on gun buyers leading to a gun registry and abuse of power by the federal government due to the nature of the information....

    People thought she was being paranoid...then a few weeks later we learned of the IRS scandal....game, set and match in favor of Ayotte.

     



    Apparently you didn't read/comprehend the article, nor the bill, which expressly forbid such a registry. And the IRS scandal has nothing to do with this. OK then.

     

     



    Right. And social security numbers can't be used for identification purposes.

     

    so, they will create a list/registry, and then never look at it?

    i was born at night but it wasn't last night.

     



    You can say that about any list containing SSNs; so perhaps you were born a few nights before.

     

     
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    Ayotte voted that way because she was afraid it would pave the way for the federal government to have too much information on gun buyers leading to a gun registry and abuse of power by the federal government due to the nature of the information....

    People thought she was being paranoid...then a few weeks later we learned of the IRS scandal....game, set and match in favor of Ayotte.

     



    Apparently you didn't read/comprehend the article, nor the bill, which expressly forbid such a registry. And the IRS scandal has nothing to do with this. OK then.

     

     



    Right. And social security numbers can't be used for identification purposes.

     

    so, they will create a list/registry, and then never look at it?

    i was born at night but it wasn't last night.

     



    You can say that about any list containing SSNs; so perhaps you were born a few nights before.

     




    Right.  So, the government is going to do a background check, and NEVER use that information for other purposes.

    You are blindingly trusting of a government that has just went after conservative and religious organizations via the IRS.  They weren't supposed to do that either.

    Face it:  progressives have destroyed the credibility of our government.  And, now, you want us to double down with gun registration. 

    I'll take a pass.

     
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    Ayotte voted that way because she was afraid it would pave the way for the federal government to have too much information on gun buyers leading to a gun registry and abuse of power by the federal government due to the nature of the information....

    People thought she was being paranoid...then a few weeks later we learned of the IRS scandal....game, set and match in favor of Ayotte.

     



    Apparently you didn't read/comprehend the article, nor the bill, which expressly forbid such a registry. And the IRS scandal has nothing to do with this. OK then.

     

     



    Right. And social security numbers can't be used for identification purposes.

     

    so, they will create a list/registry, and then never look at it?

    i was born at night but it wasn't last night.

     



    You can say that about any list containing SSNs; so perhaps you were born a few nights before.

     

     




    Right.  So, the government is going to do a background check, and NEVER use that information for other purposes.

     

    You are blindingly trusting of a government that has just went after conservative and religious organizations via the IRS.  They weren't supposed to do that either.

    Face it:  progressives have destroyed the credibility of our government.  And, now, you want us to double down with gun registration. 

    I'll take a pass.

     



    This blanket statement has been true of all govts since the beginning of time.  Also, I guess that makes W a progressive.

     

     
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    Ayotte voted that way because she was afraid it would pave the way for the federal government to have too much information on gun buyers leading to a gun registry and abuse of power by the federal government due to the nature of the information....

    People thought she was being paranoid...then a few weeks later we learned of the IRS scandal....game, set and match in favor of Ayotte.

     



    Apparently you didn't read/comprehend the article, nor the bill, which expressly forbid such a registry. And the IRS scandal has nothing to do with this. OK then.

     

     



    Right. And social security numbers can't be used for identification purposes.

     

    so, they will create a list/registry, and then never look at it?

    i was born at night but it wasn't last night.

     



    You can say that about any list containing SSNs; so perhaps you were born a few nights before.

     

     




    Right.  So, the government is going to do a background check, and NEVER use that information for other purposes.

     

    You are blindingly trusting of a government that has just went after conservative and religious organizations via the IRS.  They weren't supposed to do that either.

    Face it:  progressives have destroyed the credibility of our government.  And, now, you want us to double down with gun registration. 

    I'll take a pass.

     



    This blanket statement has been true of all govts since the beginning of time.  Also, I guess that makes W a progressive.

     




    Oh, so now we are back to Bush.  Thank god.  I was wondering how long before either the race card or the Bush card would be thrown down.

    Bush was more progressive than conservative.  he killed capitalism with TARP, and expanded government enormously, Drug prescripton program, and other programs.  Lastly, he spent considerably more money than we took in repeatedly.

     

    Sounds pretty progressive to me.

     

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