Kerry goes "Full Godwin"

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    I am embarrassed for our govt.

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    US Secretary of State John Kerry has described the situation in Syria as "our Munich moment", comparing possible military intervention to the 1938 Munich Agreement, which ceded control of part of Czechoslovakia to Nazi Germany.

    Speaking in Paris, he said that he and President Obama are "exceedingly grateful to have France by our side" in backing a political solution and "limited" military action over Syria.

    "This is not the time to be silent spectators to slaughter", he said. "This is not the time to send a message where doing nothing is far more risky than responding."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24004687

     

     

     

    Ok. So Syria = Nazis, and not doing anything is appeasement. Sounds like a big deal.

     

     

     

    Kerry said Assad might avoid an attack if he handed every bit of his chemical weapons stock, but added that the Syrian president was not going to do that. He warned that if other nations were not prepared to act on the issue of chemical weapons, "you are giving people complete licence to do whatever they want and to feel so they can do with impunity".

    Kerry said the Americans were planning an "unbelievably small" attack on Syria. "We will be able to hold Bashar al-Assad accountable without engaging in troops on the ground or any other prolonged kind of effort in a very limited, very targeted, short-term effort that degrades his capacity to deliver chemical weapons without assuming responsibility for Syria's civil war. That is exactly what we are talking about doing – unbelievably small, limited kind of effort."

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/us-syria-chemical-weapons-attack-john-kerry

     

     

    Wh...     

    So to counter something as serious as the rise of Nazi Germany, we are giong to engage in an "unbelivably small, limited kind of effort".........unless Nazi Syria agrees to play nice and give us all their WMDs?


    Yes, that looks like incompetence.

     

     



    I guess I shouldn't try to read your posts without glasses.  

    I could have sworn you wrote Syria=Nachos.

     
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    Interestingly enough...

     

    Russia Welcomes Kerry Demand on Syria Arms

    LONDON — Secretary of State John Kerry said on Monday that if President Bashar al-Assad wants to avert an attack on Syria he should hand over all of his chemical weapons within one week. Russia, the Syrian government’s most important backer, quickly welcomed the idea.

    [omissions]

    In Moscow, Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, said in response to Mr. Kerry’s remarks that Russia would join any effort to put Syria’s stockpile of chemical weapons under international control and ultimately destroy them.

    Mr. Lavrov appeared at a previously unscheduled briefing only hours after Mr. Kerry made his statement in London. Although Mr. Kerry appeared to treat the idea that Syria would give up its stockpile as improbable, Mr. Lavrov seized on it as a possible compromise that Russia was prepared to propose to the Syrians.

    “We don’t know whether Syria will agree with this, but if the establishment of international control over chemical weapons in the country will prevent attacks, then we will immediately begin work with Damascus,” Mr. Lavrov said at the Foreign Ministry. “And we call on the Syrian leadership to not only agree to setting the chemical weapons storage sites under international control, but also to their subsequent destruction.”

    Mr. Lavrov met Syria’s foreign minister, Walid al-Moallem, in Moscow only moments before Mr. Kerry spoke in London, and during a joint appearance at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, both ministers excoriated the United States for rushing to launch military strikes.

    But the shift in tone between Mr. Lavrov’s two appearances was striking. Mr. Lavrov said he made the proposal to put Syria’s weapons under international control directly to Mr. Moallem, who remained in Moscow, but it was not immediately clear how the Syrian government might respond.

    Mr. Lavrov went into more detail than Mr. Kerry’s suggestion — which Mr. Kerry’s own spokeswoman described as a rhetorical exercise rather than a proposal.

    [omissions]

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/10/world/middleeast/kerry-says-syria-should-hand-over-all-chemical-arms.html?hp




    Great news.  This would be the best possible outcome for this whole fiasco.

     

     
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    I am completely embarassed by our country and haven't felt so bad since the Carter Administration and its failures.

    Putin and Syria are playing Obama and Kerry like a cheap fiddle.  What a logical plan; place Syria's WMD's under international control; or drop 150 tomahawks into Syria.  I know which one looks like grand diplomacy and which one looks like and evil misguided attack.

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    I am completely embarassed by our country and haven't felt so bad since the Carter Administration and its failures.

    Putin and Syria are playing Obama and Kerry like a cheap fiddle.  What a logical plan; place Syria's WMD's under international control; or drop 150 tomahawks into Syria.  I know which one looks like grand diplomacy and which one looks like and evil misguided attack.

    ...the man who really counts in the world is the doer,...  TR 1891



    It was Kerry's idea to have Syria turn over their weapons, and Russia agrees.  How is this playing Obama and Kerry like a fiddle?

     

     
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    I am completely embarassed by our country and haven't felt so bad since the Carter Administration and its failures.

    Putin and Syria are playing Obama and Kerry like a cheap fiddle.  What a logical plan; place Syria's WMD's under international control; or drop 150 tomahawks into Syria.  I know which one looks like grand diplomacy and which one looks like and evil misguided attack.

    ...the man who really counts in the world is the doer,...  TR 1891

     



    It was Kerry's idea to have Syria turn over their weapons, and Russia agrees.  How is this playing Obama and Kerry like a fiddle?

     

     



    Sure it was...

     

    In case you haven't noticed, the inderational opinion is running strongly against the U.S. , in general, and on this issue in particular.  I don't know how you twist that into John Francoise Kerrie, the Secretary of State from France, originating an idea that emasuclates the power of the U.S. over the issue.

     
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    I am completely embarassed by our country and haven't felt so bad since the Carter Administration and its failures.

    Putin and Syria are playing Obama and Kerry like a cheap fiddle.  What a logical plan; place Syria's WMD's under international control; or drop 150 tomahawks into Syria.  I know which one looks like grand diplomacy and which one looks like and evil misguided attack.

    ...the man who really counts in the world is the doer,...  TR 1891

     

     



    It was Kerry's idea to have Syria turn over their weapons, and Russia agrees.  How is this playing Obama and Kerry like a fiddle?

     

     

     



    Sure it was...

     

     

    In case you haven't noticed, the inderational opinion is running strongly against the U.S. , in general, and on this issue in particular.  I don't know how you twist that into John Francoise Kerrie, the Secretary of State from France, originating an idea that emasuclates the power of the U.S. over the issue.




    Its in the first sentence.

     

    LONDON — Secretary of State John Kerry said on Monday that if President Bashar al-Assad wants to avert an attack on Syria he should hand over all of his chemical weapons within one week. Russia, the Syrian government’s most important backer, quickly welcomed the idea.

     
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    I am completely embarassed by our country and haven't felt so bad since the Carter Administration and its failures.

    Putin and Syria are playing Obama and Kerry like a cheap fiddle.  What a logical plan; place Syria's WMD's under international control; or drop 150 tomahawks into Syria.  I know which one looks like grand diplomacy and which one looks like and evil misguided attack.

    ...the man who really counts in the world is the doer,...  TR 1891

     

     



    It was Kerry's idea to have Syria turn over their weapons, and Russia agrees.  How is this playing Obama and Kerry like a fiddle?

     

     

     



    Sure it was...

     

     

    In case you haven't noticed, the inderational opinion is running strongly against the U.S. , in general, and on this issue in particular.  I don't know how you twist that into John Francoise Kerrie, the Secretary of State from France, originating an idea that emasuclates the power of the U.S. over the issue.

     




     

    Its in the first sentence.

     

    LONDON — Secretary of State John Kerry said on Monday that if President Bashar al-Assad wants to avert an attack on Syria he should hand over all of his chemical weapons within one week. Russia, the Syrian government’s most important backer, quickly welcomed the idea.




    And, the respinse from the State Department:

     

    "Secretary Kerry was making a rhetorical argument about the impossibility and unlikelihood of Assad turning over chemical weapons he has denied he used," a U.S. State Department spokeswoman said in an emailed statement.

    Checkmate.

     
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    Regardless of Kerry's bumbling and Russia's response, I'm not complaining if the end result is Syria destroys a ton of WMDs and we don't get involved in another military action.

    No complaints here either.

     

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    My guess, however, is that they'll use the Iraq model and move/hide things until the coast is clear. Watch for trucks mysteriously moving in and out of the Bekaa valley in Lebanon in the near future.

     

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    Regardless of Kerry's bumbling and Russia's response, I'm not complaining if the end result is Syria destroys a ton of WMDs and we don't get involved in another military action.



    Agreed.  I'm just sick and tired of the professional Obama supporters and their "Obama always gets a trophy" apporoach to life.

     
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    My guess, however, is that they'll use the Iraq model and move/hide things until the coast is clear. Watch for trucks mysteriously moving in and out of the Bekaa valley in Lebanon in the near future.

     

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    Well, how do you think the chemical weapons got to Syria in the first place?

     
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    Regardless of Kerry's bumbling and Russia's response, I'm not complaining if the end result is Syria destroys a ton of WMDs and we don't get involved in another military action.




    There are some neo-cons who are struggling with a peaceful solution.  Take Norman Podhoretz for example, who wrote a scathing column in today's WSJ.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323595004579062811443943666.html?mod=hp_opinion

    Among the highlights of the column:

    Accusing the president of intentionally wanting his request for Congress to authorize the bombing of Syria to fail.

    Conjuring up the ghosts of Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, and Saul Alinsky, while accusing Obama of making America the laughing stock of the world. 

    Criticizing Obama for using drones to kill terrorists, instead of the flesh and blood of our soldiers.

    Accusing the president of leaving Iraq and Afghanistan too soon, blaming Obama for the Arab Spring, and basically calling our president a traitor.

    Tossing in the standard "socialist" accusation.

    Comparing Obama to Carter, and longing for another Ronald Reagan to emerge and lead our country.....is that the same Reagan who cut and ran when the Marine barracks in Lebanon were bombed?

    What a sad, old, neocon.....and newspaper.

     

     
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    Regardless of Kerry's bumbling and Russia's response, I'm not complaining if the end result is Syria destroys a ton of WMDs and we don't get involved in another military action.

     




    There are some neo-cons who are struggling with a peaceful solution.  Take Norman Podhoretz for example, who wrote a scathing column in today's WSJ.

     

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323595004579062811443943666.html?mod=hp_opinion

    Among the highlights of the column:

    Accusing the president of intentionally wanting his request for Congress to authorize the bombing of Syria to fail.

    Conjuring up the ghosts of Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, and Saul Alinsky, while accusing Obama of making America the laughing stock of the world. 

    Criticizing Obama for using drones to kill terrorists, instead of the flesh and blood of our soldiers.

    Accusing the president of leaving Iraq and Afghanistan too soon, blaming Obama for the Arab Spring, and basically calling our president a traitor.

    Tossing in the standard "socialist" accusation.

    Comparing Obama to Carter, and longing for another Ronald Reagan to emerge and lead our country.....is that the same Reagan who cut and ran when the Marine barracks in Lebanon were bombed?

    What a sad, old, neocon.....and newspaper.

     



    Darn it all, can you stay on point?

     
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    Regardless of Kerry's bumbling and Russia's response, I'm not complaining if the end result is Syria destroys a ton of WMDs and we don't get involved in another military action.



    Yes Kerry's slip of the tongue (initially recanted and then a failed attempt to take credit) appears to have been skillfully co-opted (timing is everything) and put into place by Putin and his team.  The ability to recognize an opportunity and then capitalize on it is everything in diplomacy and politics.

    Well done Vlad.

    Regardless of who gets the credit; the world will at least temporarily be a better place if Syria goes through with its hand over of its chemical weapons.

    Vlad desesrves a call from the Norwegian Nobel Committee; but they'll have as much trouble getting the Nobel Peace Prize back from Obama as Kraft has getting back his ring from Vlad.  

    Maybe there should be a trade.

     

     

     
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    I am completely embarassed by our country and haven't felt so bad since the Carter Administration and its failures.

    Putin and Syria are playing Obama and Kerry like a cheap fiddle.  What a logical plan; place Syria's WMD's under international control; or drop 150 tomahawks into Syria.  I know which one looks like grand diplomacy and which one looks like and evil misguided attack.

    ...the man who really counts in the world is the doer,...  TR 1891

     



    It was Kerry's idea to have Syria turn over their weapons, and Russia agrees.  How is this playing Obama and Kerry like a fiddle?

     

     



    Nice try.

     

    David Rothkopf

     

    (CNN) -- On Monday, President Barack Obama's two secretaries of state inadvertently collaborated with Russia's foreign minister to shape a twist in the Syria debate that a day later is looking more and more like a possible way out of the current crisis.

    It took an idea from being an off-the-cuff throwaway line through being an informal proposal to the point today where it will be proposed for consideration by the United Nations. Perhaps more importantly for the President, it may help save him from a political showdown in Congress where it seems increasingly likely he cannot win while adding a glimmer of hope to a story that for two weeks has been an unrelenting mess for the White House and of deep concern to the American people.

     

    The first move came from the current secretary of state, John Kerry. In a statement that was initially seen as a slip of the tongue (probably because it was), Kerry raised the possibility that if Syria were to give up its chemical weapons, an attack might be avoided. Although the administration almost immediately backed away from the statement and the British foreign secretary characterized it as impossible, the idea quickly began to gain traction.

     

    Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem announced that his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov had proposed that Syria's chemical weapons be put under some form of international control as a way of forestalling a U.S.-led attack. Moallem went further, welcoming the initiative.

     

    It turned out Kerry had spoken to Lavrov. And while Washington's first response was natural skepticism given the misrepresentations of the Syrian government in the past, it became clear that if there was any chance such an initiative could spare the president the political debacle of a failed vote in the Congress -- and possibly spare the country the costs of another military intervention in the region -- some in the administration felt it was worth considering.

    So, hours after a senior official had told CNN the Kerry statement was a "major goof," the press office in the White House was claiming credit suggesting that the "credible threat" of a U.S. plan had triggered the diplomatic opening.

     

     

     

     

     
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    If we're not competent enough to require Syria to actually prove that that which they present as chemicals weapons are chemical weapons and allow us to destroy them.....well, there's pretty much no hope left.

    I don't think that it's a matter of competency. Regimes like the one in Syria always have an advatage in they know where everything is whereas the inspectors have to rely on various sources of intellegence that may or may not be accurate. The Iraq WMD inspectors were shadowed, harrassed, blackmailed (Scott Ritter) and obfuscated constantly while the regime hid, moved, and buried their WMD capabilities.

    The best that we can do is make the Syrians believe that it would be a really bad idea to use the WMD that they manage to save.

    And that's probably good enough for now.

     

    Oh, and for the first time that I know of in these forums someone has accurately identified a neo-con. Well done username9, well done. Say, when were you demoted from 99 to 9?

     

     

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     Well done username9, well done. Say, when were you demoted from 99 to 9?

     

     

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    Woke up one day and the 99 account didn't work, so I had to retire Gretzky and bring in Gordie.

     
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    Mine didn't work for a day or so, I just waited it out. Posting here is not so important that I need to actually put effort into it.

    Anyway, I would have gone to 999 or perhaps 666 to scare the ninnys

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    Weird. Mine just couldn't post for a bit. What is the point if someone can just create a new account? Has anyone gone back to re-try the old account to see if the problem was just temporary?

     

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    The way they ban people typically is just make their posts invisible to all but the poster.




    That about sums up my issue.

     
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