Large companies prove where their allegiance lies, neo-cons sure to line up in agreement.

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    I don't think we are neessarily supporting these companies.  I think we are pointing out that you don't understand the motivations that would cause them to create jobs.

     

    Bersides, the large compnaies are largely in Obama's pocket.

     

     




     

     

    I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

    It's not about how many jobs they create.

    It's about laying off American workers and then crying about the lack of 'qualified' American workers, the same workers with the same qualifications that they just laid-off enmasse.

    So try to follow along because you obviously don't know the difference between a genuine need to further a business's interest through expansion and hiring and a situation contrived by large companies to not only ostracize American talent and depress wages for all Americans but one completely of their own making. This has absolutely nothing to do with any gov't ... anything.

    But hey, I don't expect an ideologue like you to actually understand business, just to parrot some old echo chamber tropes about how bad gov't is.



    No, no reading comprehension problem here.  I'm going to the larger issue, the one I hear from you and progressives all the time:  why are companies laying off people/not hiring people?  You need to understand the dynamic before you can critisize it.

     

    You think anyone is falling for your false narrative here?  Do you think that there are many people out there that support companies pushing for illegal immigaration?

    The thanks I get for trying to edumakate you on economics.  sigh.

     
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    "And this isn't about how many people any one company hires, it's about playing by the same rules that every small business like mine has to play by. It's about not creating off-shore shell companies so as to avoid US taxes. "

    Then let's change the tax laws!!!

    If there is on thing that shows liberals are phonies, it is the lack of any proposal for  sane  tax reform. That is because liberals want the Government to play favorites....they want the Government to pick and choose winners and losers...

     

     

     

     

    Funny, I don't remember any big tax reform push recently by the wingnuts when they held all branches to reform the tax code. I do remember that they managed to take a federal budget surplus and turn it into a record deficit.

    All you hear from lemmings like you is how bad poor people are and how great mega-corps are and how we need to reward mega-corps for outsourcing American jobs.

    And quit with the sanctimonious bullcrappe, wingnuts have and always will have an inbred disdain for the American worker and an unhinged need to keep their lips firmly planted where the moneyed people can feel them, but don't have to see them.

     

    Sure fix the tax code ... back to when this country saw the longest sustained period of economic growth in modern times and the biggest gain in the standard of living, all while income equality was at it's most favorable to all Americans and we had the first sustained budget surpluses in half-a-century.

    So just stop with your voodoo economics as a pathetic attempt to explain away reality.

    This country was far better off before the wingnuts scrued it up with their tax breaks tilted towards the wealthy and corporations. That is an undeniable FACT!!!

    Wingnuts keep saying they want to "take the country back"... how about taking it back to when it actually worked for all Americans.

     

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    How many years since "wingnuts" held all the branches of government? 1980-ish?

    Explain the reality of the economy today.  Is Obamanomics working for you?

    Your "facts"?  You wouldn't know a fact if it was attached to your face.

     
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    In economics, demand is an economic principle that describes a consumer's desire, willingness and ability to pay a price for a specific good or service. Demand refers to how much (quantity) of a product or service is desired by buyers. The quantity demanded is the amount of a product people are willing to buy at a certain price; the relationship between price and quantity demanded is known as the demand relationship.[1] (see also supply and demand). The term demand signifies the ability or the willingness to buy a particular commodity at a given point of time.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand

     




    lol Ok thanks. To meet demand companies must produce. You cannot produce a quality product or service at a higher rate for long without increasing your human resources.

    dems da facts!

     
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    Really?

    So the application of automation in the production process with robotic machines increases the need for humans?

    Alert the media, tvoter announces that manufacturers are doing things all wrong. 



    No automated systems can reduce human resources but, that is not the topic here is it? goal posts?? lol

     
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    Re: Large companies prove where their allegiance lies, neo-cons sure to line up in agreement.

    Airborne as a good leftist hack rages about "big business" and its special tax breaks, just for show.

    Because, as a good leftist hack, he wont agree to fix the crooked tax system, and do away with the army of bureaucrats and tax lawyers and exemptions and "green energy" handouts to cronies...
    Small business only wants a level playing field.

    The deep dark secret: Obama and progressives favor big business! 

    Obama sold out to the biggest companies in America at the expense of small business. He  brought in the CEO of GE to run things. How many of his Cabinet posts were filled by Wall Street cronies?

    Hiring William Daley (now gone) may make Wall Street smile, but it won’t create one job on Main Street. He’s the son of the royal family of Chicago. They’ve never created any jobs in their lives. Daley is a $10 million per year Wall Street big shot. He knows as much about creating jobs on Main Street as the old King of England. And as far as Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who  heads Obama’s Economic Council, he’s merely along for the ride so he can arm-twist the community organizer in chief for another few hundred billion dollars in stimulus funds and solar energy tax breaks for GE.

    I have nothing against big business. In fact, I love capitalism. But nothing is more dangerous for society than crony capitalism. The alliance of big business in bed with big government distorts capitalism.

    Together this group’s goal is to create more laws, rules, and regulations that destroy the ability of any small business to survive, so that big business holds the monopoly (and all the special interest tax breaks).

    They want only multinational companies with armies of lawyers, lobbyists and accountants to survive, a world where the only employers are big government and big business. They want a hybrid of socialism mixed with fascism — a form of corporatism.

     



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    In economics, demand is an economic principle that describes a consumer's desire, willingness and ability to pay a price for a specific good or service. Demand refers to how much (quantity) of a product or service is desired by buyers. The quantity demanded is the amount of a product people are willing to buy at a certain price; the relationship between price and quantity demanded is known as the demand relationship.[1] (see also supply and demand). The term demand signifies the ability or the willingness to buy a particular commodity at a given point of time.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand

     

     




    lol Ok thanks. To meet demand companies must produce. You cannot produce a quality product or service at a higher rate for long without increasing your human resources.

     

     

    dems da facts!




    Really?

     

    So the application of automation in the production process with robotic machines increases the need for humans?

    Alert the media, tvoter announces that manufacturers are doing things all wrong.

     




    Airborne is officially a "Luddite".  Yes, once Obamacare ruins the fast food industry, there will be high tech self service kiosks instead of employees at McDonalds...

    Then Airborne and his merry band of leftist Luddites  will resort to what the 19th century Luddites did....destroy the machinery.

     
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    In economics, demand is an economic principle that describes a consumer's desire, willingness and ability to pay a price for a specific good or service. Demand refers to how much (quantity) of a product or service is desired by buyers. The quantity demanded is the amount of a product people are willing to buy at a certain price; the relationship between price and quantity demanded is known as the demand relationship.[1] (see also supply and demand). The term demand signifies the ability or the willingness to buy a particular commodity at a given point of time.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand

     

     




    lol Ok thanks. To meet demand companies must produce. You cannot produce a quality product or service at a higher rate for long without increasing your human resources.

     

     

    dems da facts!




    Really?

     

    So the application of automation in the production process with robotic machines increases the need for humans?

    Alert the media, tvoter announces that manufacturers are doing things all wrong.

     

     

     




    Airborne is officially a "Luddite".  Yes, once Obamacare ruins the fast food industry, there will be high tech self service kiosks instead of employees at McDonalds...

     

     

    Then Airborne and his merry band of leftist Luddites  will resort to what the 19th century Luddites did....destroy the machinery.




    Really? Ruin the fast food industry?

     

    I'd love to hear how that will happen.

    Or is it true just because you imagined it in your fevered mind?



    "....survey after survey shows small-business employees facing the prospect of lower wages, fewer benefits, reduced hours, or lost jobs. The fast-food and restaurant industry has been especially hard hit. Among the national chains and franchisees that have announced that Obamacare is forcing them to reduce employee hours: Applebee’s, Buffalo Wild Wings, Del Taco, Denny’s, FatBurger, Five Guys, Hardee’s, IHOP, Olive Garden, Wendy’s, and White Castle."

    What will happen is that entry level service employees will become too expensive to hire...and high tech kiosks and self pay stations will become the norm.

    And airborne, now denying that Obamacare has any impact, will later claim that layoffs of service employees, and switching to part time for all,  is due to 'greedy' corporations...lather, rinse and repeat..

    Obamacare is a massive job killer.

     
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    As an aside, this is the latest excuse of the lefties for the abysmal Obama economy....evil business made layoffs, just so they could later hire illegals at low wages...

     

     


    It's also the latest example of american corporations doing everything they can to avoid creating jobs...

    ...even while state and local govts are directly responsible for most of the jobs lost in the past 6 years.

     

    Neither of which is the president's fault, despite what you think.

     

     

     




    So, now you are telling us Obama is not responsible for job creation?  I thought your whole argument was that Obama was creating jobs throug hthis vibrant economy.

     

    And, since when does being pro illegal immigrtion make you a neo-con?   I thought that was a bread and butter cause of the left.

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    You're confused yet again, so the sun must have risen today.

    I never made that argument.

    And I never said anything about illegal immigration and neo-conservatism either generally or specifically.

    Despite what you imagine, nobody is "pro-illegal immigration".

     

     
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    It's also the latest example of american corporations doing everything they can to avoid creating jobs...

     




    Why the hell would American companies want to avoid expansion?

     

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    They don't.

    They want to expand without increasing their labor costs.  Simple, really.

     

     

     
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    If there is on thing that shows liberals are phonies, it is the lack of any proposal for  sane  tax reform. That is because liberals want the Government to play favorites....they want the Government to pick and choose winners and losers...

     

    You just described every single tax initiative ever proposed.

    Or else why bother giving tax breaks to oil companies, hydropower, mega-churches, ponzi-inspired 'charities' or other 'social organizations'.

    The govt plays favorites almost constantly.  And the orgs fellate their favorites right back.

     

     

     
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    Why the hell would American companies want to avoid expansion?



    They don't.

    They want to expand without increasing their labor costs.  Simple, really. 

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    Except that anyone in business knows maintaining a quality and competetive product production and/or service is impossible under that matrix without another factor like automation.

     
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    Re: Large companies prove where their allegiance lies, neo-cons sure to line up in agreement.

    Wayne Allyn Root is a former libertarian vice presidential nominee. He now serves as chairman of the Libertarian National Congressional Committee. He is the best-selling author of "The Conscience of a Libertarian: Empowering the Citizen Revolution with God, Guns, Gold & Tax Cuts." His web site: ROOTforAmerica.com

     

    Heh.  This source is a screamer.

     

     

     
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    Heh.  This source is a screamer.

    So was my ex-girlfriend.

     

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    Wayne Allyn Root is a former libertarian vice presidential nominee. He now serves as chairman of the Libertarian National Congressional Committee. He is the best-selling author of "The Conscience of a Libertarian: Empowering the Citizen Revolution with God, Guns, Gold & Tax Cuts." His web site: ROOTforAmerica.com

    Heh.  This source is a screamer. 




    algore's a screamer, krugman is a screamer etc etc

     
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    Creating jobs is expensive for companies under Obama...thats why they are hiring consultants, part time people and temporaries. Thems be da facts.

     



    The "facts" are that creating jobs in the U.S. has ALWAYS been expensive because it costs money to make a business profitable when there is no demand.

     

    And so if the private sector isn't supposed to create jobs, and the public sector isn't supposed to create jobs...

    ...where is this "job fairy" who is to wave a magic wand and get unemployment numbers down...?

    Oh, right....

     

     

     



    Matty... companies are hiring and growing on many levels and on other levels they are getting killed by Obamacare and cutting and limiting the hours and availability of benefits and opportunities for people, keeping them from advancing...

     it depends on the skill level....if you are a 40k person a family plan costs as much as it does for a 100k person....but the 100k person is harder to find, likely contributing more, essential for growth and more crucial to the success of the company, it makes more sense to keep and pay for benefits for the skilled person, its a smaller percentage of their overall cost as an employee....outsource the 40k person, limit them to part time, replace them with a temp or consultant.....why?? because of Obamacare....it's survival and frees up more money to give to the skilled people who are growing the company.....

    skilled people are doing very well in this economy....its the non or less skilled folks that are getting beat up..thats a problem and Obama and the dems dont care because their agenda is more important than people working......companies DONT want to outsource parts of their businesses to India, they dont want to have a bunch of high turnover part time workers that they cant promote and train into other jobs....but they have no choice because the costs are too high.......it's not right but its what people asked for when they voted for Obama....votes have consequences.

     
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    Creating jobs is expensive for companies under Obama...thats why they are hiring consultants, part time people and temporaries. Thems be da facts.

     



    The "facts" are that creating jobs in the U.S. has ALWAYS been expensive because it costs money to make a business profitable when there is no demand.

     

    And so if the private sector isn't supposed to create jobs, and the public sector isn't supposed to create jobs...

    ...where is this "job fairy" who is to wave a magic wand and get unemployment numbers down...?

    Oh, right....

     

     

     

     



    Matty... companies are hiring and growing on many levels and on other levels they are getting killed by Obamacare and cutting and limiting the hours and availability of benefits and opportunities for people, keeping them from advancing...

     

     it depends on the skill level....if you are a 40k person a family plan costs as much as it does for a 100k person....but the 100k person is harder to find, likely contributing more, essential for growth and more crucial to the success of the company, it makes more sense to keep and pay for benefits for the skilled person, its a smaller percentage of their overall cost as an employee....outsource the 40k person, limit them to part time, replace them with a temp or consultant.....why?? because of Obamacare....it's survival and frees up more money to give to the skilled people who are growing the company.....

    skilled people are doing very well in this economy....its the non or less skilled folks that are getting beat up..thats a problem and Obama and the dems dont care because their agenda is more important than people working......companies DONT want to outsource parts of their businesses to India, they dont want to have a bunch of high turnover part time workers that they cant promote and train into other jobs....but they have no choice because the costs are too high.......it's not right but its what people asked for when they voted for Obama....votes have consequences.

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    You're acting like all these companies really want to do is hire people and advance their careers and pay them more...

    ...but aww, gee whiz, this darn obamacare keeps us from doing any of that, so instead we're going to sit on our cash, give bonuses to our execs, not invest in infrastucture or new systems.

    I've been working with 'out-sourced' labor in India for 15 years, and I can tell you you're flat wrong.  And these companies out-source labor, not their "business".

    However, what they've done is decrease demand here at home at the same time they've decreased their costs through out-sourcing.  Because if nobody here can buy their products, they look at diminishing returns.

    And I've said it before, if a company/owner is unable to properly incentivize its workforce through basic, affordable health care coverage and similar benefits, then they should not be in business and really have no basis to complain.  

    What rational business owner doesn't want to protect their investment in their labor force from undue or chronic illness and thus risk their production??  Similarly, it's downright dickish to fire someone just because they got sick.

    It not for Obamacare, health care costs would be rising even faster and higher...as they were in the decades before, and businesses would still be faced with the cost problem of insuring their workforce.

    Meanwhile, the people who ARE working are working harder and more productively than ever with historically low wage ratios, while the elites sit on their a&&es getting richer.

     

     

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