Letter from AZ on border invasion

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    Not a bad letter on the necessity of some kind of intervention, but then the writer goes into nonsense mode about "leftist media and courts", the plans of "socialists in power in Washington" and the need to "save America".  Face it, the immigration issue has been too long ignored by both political parties.   Continuous finger pointing of this kind creates stalemate, it does not resolve it.
     
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    A US Senator wrote that?
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    A bit on the extreme side of things.

    I wonder if she read the bill?

    There are no restrictions as to when, why, how, where or how many times one may be questioned by "peace officers," as the cops are referred to in the AS1070.

    This is mob rule.

    She's right about it not being a Nazi-like bill. 

    It's an East German, Erik Honecker Stasi type bill. 

    The even want to build a wall.
     
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    Both party blame is historically accurate but moot. Only the current party controling the WH and Congress can be held directly accountable for action but I doubt the presidents 'agenda' is the same as the will of the majority of Americans
     
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    Both party blame is historically accurate but moot. Only the current party controling the WH and Congress can be held directly accountable for action but I doubt the presidents 'agenda' is the same as the will of the majority of Americans
    Posted by taxmeintooblivion

    Not moot. Bush II wanted to give amnesty and had a Republican majority to shut the border down and didn't do it. The most ironic part for me is this...

    Republicas want illegals for the cheap labor. The Dems want them for the future (and present?) vote. Repubs in their rush for greed are close to signing their death knell as a legit national party!
     
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    The left is the one stopping enforcement.  It is that simple.

    The left is at fault. 

    And Bush was stopped by conservatives who are against amnesty, like the majority of voters. 

    If the left moved out of the way, and stopped pandering for votes, the country would be more safe.

    If a terrorist sneaks over the border and blows something up, it will be amusing to watch the left make excuses as to why they are not at fault.  And it will be sad to watch the mainstream media eat up the excuse. 
     
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    The left is the one stopping enforcement.  It is that simple. The left is at fault.  And Bush was stopped by conservatives who are against amnesty, like the majority of voters.  If the left moved out of the way, and stopped pandering for votes, the country would be more safe. If a terrorist sneaks over the border and blows something up, it will be amusing to watch the left make excuses as to why they are not at fault.  And it will be sad to watch the mainstream media eat up the excuse. 
    Posted by whatnow3

    You need to look under the covers of this issue. It was the Republican candidate for POTUS that was for amnesty.
    Businesses (small medium and large) love their illegal workers because they can pay them $5.00 an hour and work them 15 hours a day without fear of them complaining. The Republicans are taking boat loads of $$$ from those businesses to make sure a round up never happens.
    This is why "We the People" need to get rid of BOTH parties!
     
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    So what I'm hearing is....that on the National level, neither party wants to make a move, too polarizing.  So duh, the State is taking over, now the national level wants to get involved, but wait, no thay are not going to do anything.  Let's keep blaming each other and maybe it will go away.  Yeah , that's it...... 

    Let's start with one basic goal, and stick to it.......Secure the border to Mexico.

    What say you?
     
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    In Response to Re: Letter from AZ on border invasion : That may be true but when Republicans get control will they do any different? History would say no.
    Posted by Newtster

    So status quo. Neither party will take action and neither wants change.
    States rights seems the way to go.
    I imagine when AZ law takes effect, we will see the invaders looking for another fertile ground (other states) which may cause the shelter states to take similar action.
    It's only the perceived 'threat' of states taking action that may (and I'm not optimistic) spur the Feds to do something.
    Sounds like Dems and Repubs are on the same side (do nothing) while the public is somewhere else.

     
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    According to libbies here, ONLY Republicans EVER broke the law by hiring illegal, er, UNDOCUMENTED workers, righT? If that's true as a stereotype, then we can safely say that all libbies, who are self professed intellectuals that do nothing but either cash their welfare check(s), or actually "working" only 25 of the minimum union ordered 40 hour work week, have no "smarts" to own and operate a business, big or small. After all, they have NO business accumen to actually take a risk to own one, and will then promptly regulate the heck out of it so that it'll never turna  profit, only finally turning to he govt to save their but and nad bail them out, er, STIMULATE them. It's much easier sitting on the old duffer and pontificate how everyone else needs to live, eh?

    Be careful who and how you libbie stereotype anyone, especially through your rose colored pilots goggles.
     
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    Well said and hence the conundrum we in the middle face...
     
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    The conundrum is this:

    The border cannot be "secured" by any conceivable method without resolving what to do about the illegal immigrants who are already here.  This is regardless of the political spine it would take to accomplish either of these things.

    Also, what drug runner gives a rat's behind about ANY law, much less an "anti-illegal immigration".  This particular strain of criminal has pervasive ties to Americans who distributing their products.  Blaming immigration policies (of either party) for the problem of drug smuggling is like blaming bars for promiscuity.

    This "letter" is puerile, reactionary nonsense with no real policy prescriptions but lots of slanted vitriol.
     
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    The conundrum is this: The border cannot be "secured" by any conceivable method without resolving what to do about the illegal immigrants who are already here.  This is regardless of the political spine it would take to accomplish either of these things. Also, what drug runner gives a rat's behind about ANY law, much less an "anti-illegal immigration".  This particular strain of criminal has pervasive ties to Americans who distributing their products.  Blaming immigration policies (of either party) for the problem of drug smuggling is like blaming bars for promiscuity. This "letter" is puerile, reactionary nonsense with no real policy prescriptions but lots of slanted vitriol.
    Posted by Mattyhorn

    No Matty! The conundrum is neither party wants to enforce and protect the Constitution they were sworn to uphold.
    This baseless silly "you can't deport X million people" is just that. We can if we want to. Easier than many think if the political will is there. Securing the border is again simple if we seriously want to do it (see the Iron Curtain for historical reference). Will some get over? Yes but less will try if the penalties are harsh and there is zero reward.
     
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    In Response to Re: Letter from AZ on border invasion : No Matty! The conundrum is neither party wants to enforce and protect the Constitution they were sworn to uphold. This baseless silly "you can't deport X million people" is just that. We can if we want to. Easier than many think if the political will is there. Securing the border is again simple if we seriously want to do it (see the Iron Curtain for historical reference). Will some get over? Yes but less will try if the penalties are harsh and there is zero reward.
    Posted by brat13


    Lots of "ifs" in there, bratty.  Political will?  Harsh penalties?  Iron Curtain = totalitarianism...is that where this is headed??  The problem with walls is that they have two sides.

    It's not just a question of where they are running to, but also where they are running from.  I'm just putting the horse before the cart.  As long as we have American companies willing to hire them, they will keep coming as they have been for hundreds of years now.  As long as they have a corrupt, greedy government at home, they will continue to seek a better life...as they have for hundreds of years now.

    See a pattern emerging yet?  The drug war is equally numb to real logic - bankrupting our government agencies to fight something that people will undoubtably find another way to get. 


    The point is how much freedom you are willing to give up in order to meet the stated goal of "securing our borders".

     
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    In Response to Re: Letter from AZ on border invasion : Lots of "ifs" in there, bratty.  Political will?  Harsh penalties?  Iron Curtain = totalitarianism...is that where this is headed??  The problem with walls is that they have two sides. It's not just a question of where they are running to, but also where they are running from .  I'm just putting the horse before the cart.  As long as we have American companies willing to hire them, they will keep coming as they have been for hundreds of years now.  As long as they have a corrupt, greedy government at home, they will continue to seek a better life...as they have for hundreds of years now. See a pattern emerging yet?  The drug war is equally numb to real logic - bankrupting our government agencies to fight something that people will undoubtably find another way to get.  The point is how much freedom you are willing to give up in order to meet the stated goal of "securing our borders".
    Posted by Mattyhorn

    Wasn't it you who was railing against the US being the world's police and nation building? I don't give a rats pajama's about the h3II hole they have created for themselves down there. Let them live in it. They failed in their home country, now they want to live off of our success but most don't want to Americanize which will relegate them to failure no matter where they live.
    The question for you is do you want the US to become Mexico, Panama, El Salvadore, Poland, Russia etc.?
    We (American Citizens) don't have to give up any freedom. That is another strawman argument from the "better to do nothing, one world" crowd. There is no freedom given up in the AZ law. Driving is a privilege not a right and if you choose not to carry your ID while driving, you can pay the consequences. See freedom to choose!
     
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    Lots of "ifs" in there, bratty.  Political will?  Harsh penalties?  Iron Curtain = totalitarianism...is that where this is headed??  The problem with walls is that they have two sides.
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    They also have doors to allow proper entry. As Robert Frost said "good fences make good neighbors"!
     
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    In Response to Re: Letter from AZ on border invasion : Wasn't it you who was railing against the US being the world's police and nation building? I don't give a rats pajama's about the h3II hole they have created for themselves down there. Let them live in it. They failed in their home country, now they want to live off of our success but most don't want to Americanize which will relegate them to failure no matter where they live. The question for you is do you want the US to become Mexico, Panama, El Salvadore, Poland, Russia etc.? We (American Citizens) don't have to give up any freedom. That is another strawman argument from the "better to do nothing, one world" crowd. There is no freedom given up in the AZ law. Driving is a privilege not a right and if you choose not to carry your ID while driving, you can pay the consequences. See freedom to choose!
    Posted by brat13


    This has nothing to do with nation building.  And how is an illegal immigrant working illegally for an American business "living off our success"??  They're going where the action is, and dying by the hundreds every year to do so.  I don't blame them one bit...how is it possible to blame another human being for seeking a better life through no other fault than crossing an imaginary line in the desert??

    And you're wrong...there IS freedom relinquished.  Example: would you be willing to pay double or triple the price for certain goods, like fruit or vegetables, produced overwhelmingly off the backs of unregistered workers??  How about paying additional tariffs on Mexican imports to support building a new wall??  Would you gladly accept new taxes to pay for said federally-built wall??

    There are ALWAYS choices to make, so don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise, and the easiest choice is often the hardest to implement.
     
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    Lots of "ifs" in there, bratty.  Political will?  Harsh penalties?  Iron Curtain = totalitarianism...is that where this is headed??  The problem with walls is that they have two sides. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They also have doors to allow proper entry. As Robert Frost said "good fences make good neighbors"!
    Posted by brat13


    Show me a sixteen-foot fence, and I'll show you a seventeen-foot ladder.


    P.S.  Do you support tolls at the MA-NH border on I-93...??  Why or why not?
     
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    If anyone places their faith in Republicans to really solve this problem then they had better push them on it in the fall. Certainly Democrat politicians are beyond hope in solving this probelm. Unfotunately there have been too many Republicans that are ready to sell the country down the drain for cheap labor. So we get no action and the decision is made for us by inaction. It is so easy to do - prosecute companies and their owners that hire illegals, secure the border, and in some way deny public benefits to people here illegally. Then it won't be so great for people to be here illegally.Then they can go back to their own country and apply for legal immigration. Americans deserve to have their citizenship respected by their government.
    Posted by Newtster


    Take a good look at our elected, INSTITUTIONALIZED leaders. ANy who have been in office less than 10 years needs to tke theire full share of blame for this mess. As thjey have well proved, this mess is what happens when you ignore something. It gets bigger and bigger, and then it becomes a nightmare to deal with.

    ANY elected official that doesn't take a firm stand in demanding the border to be closed and secured needs to be elected out of office. Simple. It's not a conservative or a libbie issue, it's adn AMERICAN issue. It's sad that it took Arizona to pass it's law, a carbon copy of the FEDERAL law, before Obamaramadingdong decided to address it. Hear what Herr Holder is saying today? He was going to find a way to get it overturned. But, now he's backpeddled by saying that it may cause a slippery slope towards profiling. What's the matter HERR Holder? Having a problem overturning the existing federal law? Mad because AZ put your back in the corner? Concerned that 65% of AMERICANS agree with the AZ law, and want their states to pass similar legislation? Gonna take you "ball", and not accept arrested illegals, er, UNDOCUMENTED immigrantys from AZ? OK, we'll hold 'em all in Tent City, courtesy of Sheriff Joe. Plenty of room there.
     
    The ball is rolling, and gaining momentum. Soon, only libbie parts of the country will allow these people into their cities and states. Well, good for you! You can have the crime, huge drain on public resources, and the clutter. it'll make folks really want to come visit your locations.....NOT!

    So, fix the problem and TOSS 'EM ALL OUT OF OFFICE!
     
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    In Response to Re: Letter from AZ on border invasion : Lots of "ifs" in there, bratty.  Political will?  Harsh penalties?  Iron Curtain = totalitarianism...is that where this is headed??  The problem with walls is that they have two sides. It's not just a question of where they are running to, but also where they are running from .  I'm just putting the horse before the cart.  As long as we have American companies willing to hire them, they will keep coming as they have been for hundreds of years now.  As long as they have a corrupt, greedy government at home, they will continue to seek a better life...as they have for hundreds of years now. See a pattern emerging yet?  The drug war is equally numb to real logic - bankrupting our government agencies to fight something that people will undoubtably find another way to get.  The point is how much freedom you are willing to give up in order to meet the stated goal of "securing our borders".
    Posted by Mattyhorn


    Nothing says "It's a GREAT law!' as when libbies whine, carry on, at over react to what they think (loose word) that it's not good, versue READING how it WILL work.

    Again, thanks for making our AZ point clear.

    (BTW, I'm very disappointed at your whine, seieng that you didn't once use the Obamaramadingdong Word Of The Year: MISGUIDED. Have you no shame to use ALL the words on that talking point?)
     
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    President Obama,

    I'm planning to move my family and extended family into Mexico for my health, and I would like to ask you to assist me.
    We're planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. Into Mexico, and we'll need your help to make a few arrangements.
    We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws.
    I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Calderon, that I'm on my way over?
    Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:
    1. Free medical care for my entire family.
    2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.
    3. Please print all Mexican government forms in English.
    4. I want my grandkids to be taught Spanish by English-speaking (bi-lingual) teachers.
    5. Tell their schools they need to include classes on American culture and history.
    6. I want my grandkids to see the American flag on one of the flag poles at their school.
    7. Please plan to feed my grandkids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
    8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services.
    9. I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico, but, I don't plan to purchase car insurance, and I probably won't make any special effort to learn local traffic laws.
    10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from their president to leave me alone, please be sure that every patrol car has at least one English-speaking officer.
    11. I plan to fly the U.S. Flag from my house top, put U S. Flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.
    12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, or have any labor or tax laws enforced on any business I may start.
    13. Please have the president tell all the Mexican people to be extremely nice and never say critical things about me or my family, or about the strain we might place on their economy.
    14. I want to receive free food stamps.
    15. Naturally, I'll expect free rent subsidies.
    16. I'll need Income tax credits so although I don't pay Mexican Taxes, I'll receive money from the government.
    17. Please arrange it so that the Mexican Gov't pays $4,500 to help me buy a new car.
    18. Oh yes, I almost forgot, please enroll me free into the Mexican Social Security program so that I'll get a monthly income in retirement.
    I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all his people who walk over to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that President Calderon won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.
    Thank you so much for your kind help. You're
    the man!!!

     

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