Liberal decides business should take "Obama loyalty oath"

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    Jonathan Alter at the Daily Beast has an idea that will infuse the president’s “economic patriotism” rhetoric with some bite: Compel companies to take “loyalty oaths” to prove their patriotism.
    You may find this suggestion a little creepy, maybe even a little fascistic; but Alter says that “it’s time for red-blooded Americans to take matters into our own hands.”

    And by taking the matter into “our” hands, Alter means that President Obama would unilaterally bar any company that practices “inversion” – corporate merging with foreign firms to save on U.S. tax bills – from doing business with the federal government. Companies that follow the administration requirements will earn a government seal of approval. If you act “un-American” and fail to recognize your “real interests” and those of the United States – which are, naturally, indistinguishable from the president’s agenda – you will be shunned and your business punished.
    You will be powerless to stop it.
    That’s because efforts to stop desertion aren’t populist or socialist but nationalist, a much more powerful force in American politics. Unbridled nationalism is a menace; it leads to trade wars and, all too often, real wars. But properly channeled, nationalism and patriotism are matters of the heart that cut to our deepest ideas of who we are.
    Ah, properly channeled nationalism. You see, when you do it it’s just a bunch of dangerous jingoist rubbish. When we do it … America! And after five years of conflating patriotism and left-wing economic policy, you are expected to treat a completely legal tax designation as an attack on the homeland. Unless, of course, you’re a seditious weasel who’s betting against America.
    Now, I suppose, a conservative might ask: Can we really trust politicians who offered legislation to limit free expression and religious freedom (as defined by the Supreme Court, which still decides these issues) to be arbiters of American patriotism? Or is it only the president who’s tasked with deciding who deserves special status? A liberal might ask, what happens when the next administration, one with different views on “nationalism,” begins divvying out golden stars? When the future GOP president punishes companies that aren’t helping fight the war on Iran, for instance, will that be cool, as well?
    Now, we could lower corporate tax rates to be more competitive with the nations that are enticing companies to move elsewhere and avoid this sort of ugliness. There is some unanimity on the issue. But as Alter notes, this probably won’t work considering how many countries continue to cut corporate taxes or eliminated them altogether.
    Clearly I’m not the rock-ribbed patriot Alter is, because I hope corporations continue to use inversion to avoid taxation until DC is forced to pass reform that completely eliminates corporate taxes that unnecessarily burden consumers. Multinational corporations do not exist to be tax collectors. Now, if a person was going to get into the economic patriotism game, he might point out that rent-seeking companies that subsist on government subsidies and use their political connections in Washington as a cudgel against competition, are engaged in something far more un-American.  And you can imagine the unholy cronyism that’s likely to erupt once the executive branch begins deciding which companies deserved to be rewarded for their patriotism.
    It’s worth remember that when Alter proposes that Obama discipline companies that have done nothing illegal or illegitimate, he’s simply taking Obama’s “economic patriotism” to its next logical step. He wants the administration to threaten the close “easy access to American markets” companies enjoy. And really, haven’t we all suffered enough with all this unhindered access to affordable goods, exotic merchandise and cool gadgets?  Samsung. Honda. Toyota. Nestle. GlaxoSmithKline. Do you believe shoppers concern themselves with the fact that Food Lion is a subsidiary of a Belgium company? I suspect that most Americans, in their everyday lives, don’t care where their favorite companies are situated, because intuitively they understand the benefits of trade.
    In politics, we have a different story. Voters are susceptible to crass nationalistic – in this case, isolationist – economic appeals. So here we are. In a world where so-called centrists demand loyalty oaths.
    This week, Brookings Institution released a study that found American entrepreneurship was slowing – dying out, is probably a more accurate way to describe it. Considering what’s gone on, it’s not surprising that companies are looking for relief from convoluted regulatory schemes and high taxes. But this obsession over inversion – what The Joint Commission on Taxation estimates “costs” the IRS around $20 billion over a decade – is only a reflection of how frivolous and small the Democrats’ economic agenda has become.
    As far as patriotism, it’s typically defined as a devotion to one’s country and a concern for its welfare. While people are free to argue that Tea Party types misunderstand or misappropriate the Constitution, at the very least they’ve hitched themselves to a patriotism that is tangentially related to some form of recognizable American idealism. If Alter is right, and our “deepest sense of who we are” really entails whining about tax receipts of multinational companies, then we’re probably in bigger trouble than I think.


     

     
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    When was the last time we had a nationalistic movement tied to socialism? Maybe we should call it national socialism. Gotta find a way to shorten that into something catchy....

     
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    Once again the wingnuts are running fast and far from their own ideas ... they were for oaths, before they were against oaths ... but apparently only certain oaths.


    There was a time when loyalty oaths were all the rage with the wingnuts ... they still are to a large degree .... but like every other wingnut bass ackwards idea ... it's only a 'good' idea if they do it.


    From the article:


    Sign what? If Republicans cared about this issue, which most don’t, they would revive McCarthy-era loyalty oaths, where people were forced to swear that they weren’t communists.


    Remembering those dark days, Democrats don’t like oaths, or even pledges, which have proven enormously effective. Grover Norquist’s ability to get nearly every Republican in Congress to sign a no-new-taxes pledge is one of the most successful political gambits of recent decades—and a big reason for today’s gridlock.


    HILARIOUS!!!!

     
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    Alter was born into a socialist family and he is versed in how to be a fascist. 

    He is of the same ilk as Thomas Friedman who opined that he wished that 

    o had the power for just one day of the chineses dictator,  well maybe he would need more than one

     

    I'm telling you these people hate the constitution

    they are against freedom of speech, religion, the press, the second amendment and the14th

    They are into thought police and here, free markets

    i

    Now the FBI is going to monitor news companies to see measure how critical they are of the government, Alter fits right in. 

    I guess they never heard of the alien and sedition act? But no worries they will pack the court with advocates in the DOJ and judges

    these people know no bounds, and O  and his Dems are in the middle of it all

     

     

    the 

    liberals I respected would not tolerate this, but now liberals are of this

     

     

     
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    When was the last time we had a nationalistic movement tied to socialism? Maybe we should call it national socialism. Gotta find a way to shorten that into something catchy....

     

    Good point. You'd also need some kind of symbol to rally the troop around, have children sing songs glorifying the leader, and, most especially, identify a group living within your country that you can demonize and blame for all of society's ills. Good thing we've evolved way beyond that sort of thing.

     

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    In response to seawolfxs' comment:

    Alter was born into a socialist family and he is versed in how to be a fascist. 

    He is of the same ilk as Thomas Friedman who opined that he wished that 

    o had the power for just one day of the chineses dictator,  well maybe he would need more than one

     

    I'm telling you these people hate the constitution

    they are against freedom of speech, religion, the press, the second amendment and the14th

    They are into thought police and here, free markets

    i

    Now the FBI is going to monitor news companies to see measure how critical they are of the government, Alter fits right in. 

    I guess they never heard of the alien and sedition act? But no worries they will pack the court with advocates in the DOJ and judges

    these people know no bounds, and O  and his Dems are in the middle of it all

     

     

    the 

    liberals I respected would not tolerate this, but now liberals are of this

     

     



    This is the kind of reality detachment that Democrats are up against.  

     
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    Now the FBI is going to monitor news companies to see measure how critical they are of the government

    They're also going to monitor religious sermons to make sure that there isn't any political content. Not creepy, not creepy at all.

     

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    Alter was born into a socialist family and he is versed in how to be a fascist. 


    He is of the same ilk as Thomas Friedman who opined that he wished that 


    o had the power for just one day of the chineses dictator,  well maybe he would need more than one


     


    I'm telling you these people hate the constitution


    they are against freedom of speech, religion, the press, the second amendment and the14th


    They are into thought police and here, free markets


    i


    Now the FBI is going to monitor news companies to see measure how critical they are of the government, Alter fits right in. 


    I guess they never heard of the alien and sedition act? But no worries they will pack the court with advocates in the DOJ and judges


    these people know no bounds, and O  and his Dems are in the middle of it all


     


     


    the 


    liberals I respected would not tolerate this, but now liberals are of this


     


     





    Yeah ... and don't forget the Dems and Obama are waging a war on whites Americans

     
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    Now the FBI is going to monitor news companies to see measure how critical they are of the government

    They're also going to monitor religious sermons to make sure that there isn't any political content. Not creepy, not creepy at all.

     

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    I call BS on both of these.

     
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    In response to seawolfxs' comment:


    Alter was born into a socialist family and he is versed in how to be a fascist. 


    He is of the same ilk as Thomas Friedman who opined that he wished that 


    o had the power for just one day of the chineses dictator,  well maybe he would need more than one


     


    I'm telling you these people hate the constitution


    they are against freedom of speech, religion, the press, the second amendment and the14th


    They are into thought police and here, free markets


    i


    Now the FBI is going to monitor news companies to see measure how critical they are of the government, Alter fits right in. 


    I guess they never heard of the alien and sedition act? But no worries they will pack the court with advocates in the DOJ and judges


    these people know no bounds, and O  and his Dems are in the middle of it all


     


     


    the 


    liberals I respected would not tolerate this, but now liberals are of this


     


     




    This is the kind of reality detachment that Democrats are up against.  



    another unbelievable dope


    It was one of YOU that want a loyalty oath - not us on the other side, you ought to get your head out of your backside and stop eating.

    You socialists didnt support Hobby Lobby, You want to break Fox news and take conservative talk off the radio, You went agtert a fox reporter by implying he broke a law. you want to take gumns awya from everybody - except your own body guards and Secret Service, You have an AG who only protects blacks civil liberties


    So tell me what the hell do you read - Johnathon Alder? who wants companies to take a loyalty oath - maybe Ohole should be the first


    Please try reading (W Wilson, the first Dem Progresssive , and someone HRC identifies with) and you will find that he wasnt a fan of the Constituition , i mean he was a bigot, anti woman and treated returning vets like chyt).


    try reading Obams - dreams of my FAther - his father was dreaming of a Socialist Kenya - hmmmmmm


    No - we are frustrated cause you are so indoctrinated into your own byle that you cannot see what total and complete hypocrites you are.


    We are frustrtd becasue you cannot see and then defend incomptence at evry turn - O does not have one policy that has worked


    You are Hamas in drag


     

     
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    In response to UserName9's comment:

    In response to seawolfxs' comment:

    Alter was born into a socialist family and he is versed in how to be a fascist. 

    He is of the same ilk as Thomas Friedman who opined that he wished that 

    o had the power for just one day of the chineses dictator,  well maybe he would need more than one

     

    I'm telling you these people hate the constitution

    they are against freedom of speech, religion, the press, the second amendment and the14th

    They are into thought police and here, free markets

    i

    Now the FBI is going to monitor news companies to see measure how critical they are of the government, Alter fits right in. 

    I guess they never heard of the alien and sedition act? But no worries they will pack the court with advocates in the DOJ and judges

    these people know no bounds, and O  and his Dems are in the middle of it all

     

     

    the 

    liberals I respected would not tolerate this, but now liberals are of this

     

     



    This is the kind of reality detachment that Democrats are up against.  

    another unbelievable dope

    It was one of YOU that want a loyalty oath - not us on the other side, you ought to get your head out of your backside and stop eating.





    Have you ever heard of Kyle Sampson ?

     
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    In response to Sistersledge's comment:

    In response to seawolfxs' comment:

    In response to UserName9's comment:

    In response to seawolfxs' comment:

    Alter was born into a socialist family and he is versed in how to be a fascist. 

    He is of the same ilk as Thomas Friedman who opined that he wished that 

    o had the power for just one day of the chineses dictator,  well maybe he would need more than one

     

    I'm telling you these people hate the constitution

    they are against freedom of speech, religion, the press, the second amendment and the14th

    They are into thought police and here, free markets

    i

    Now the FBI is going to monitor news companies to see measure how critical they are of the government, Alter fits right in. 

    I guess they never heard of the alien and sedition act? But no worries they will pack the court with advocates in the DOJ and judges

    these people know no bounds, and O  and his Dems are in the middle of it all

     

     

    the 

    liberals I respected would not tolerate this, but now liberals are of this

     

     



    This is the kind of reality detachment that Democrats are up against.  

    another unbelievable dope

    It was one of YOU that want a loyalty oath - not us on the other side, you ought to get your head out of your backside and stop eating.





    Have you ever heard of Kyle Sampson ?

    Yes and i am not going to taken down some rat hole debate about waht he did as opposed to clinton firing all the  District AGs


    And I repeat myself :::

    It was one of YOU that want a loyalty oath - not us on the other side, you ought to get your head out of your backside and stop eating.

    You socialists didnt support Hobby Lobby, You want to break Fox news and take conservative talk off the radio, You went agtert a fox reporter by implying he broke a law. you want to take gumns awya from everybody - except your own body guards and Secret Service, You have an AG who only protects blacks civil liberties


    So tell me what the hell do you read - Johnathon Alder? who wants companies to take a loyalty oath - maybe Ohole should be the first


    Please try reading (W Wilson, the first Dem Progresssive , and someone HRC identifies with) and you will find that he wasnt a fan of the Constituition , i mean he was a bigot, anti woman and treated returning vets like chyt).


    try reading Obams - dreams of my FAther - his father was dreaming of a Socialist Kenya - hmmmmmm

    He has even said aht the Constitution says what it cannot do but alos it doesnt say waht it can do" Sound like he loves the Constitution - yeah right


    No - we are frustrated cause you are so indoctrinated into your own byle that you cannot see what total and complete hypocrites you are.


    We are frustrated because you cannot see and then defend incomptence at every turn - O does not have one policy that has worked


    You are Hamas in drag

     


     
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    seawolf .... I'm speechless

     
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    Once again the wingnuts are running fast and far from their own ideas ... they were for oaths, before they were against oaths ... but apparently only certain oaths.


     


    There was a time when loyalty oaths were all the rage with the wingnuts ... they still are to a large degree .... but like every other wingnut bass ackwards idea ... it's only a 'good' idea if they do it.


     


    From the article:


     


    Sign what? If Republicans cared about this issue, which most don’t, they would revive McCarthy-era loyalty oaths, where people were forced to swear that they weren’t communists.


     


    Remembering those dark days, Democrats don’t like oaths, or even pledges, which have proven enormously effective. Grover Norquist’s ability to get nearly every Republican in Congress to sign a no-new-taxes pledge is one of the most successful political gambits of recent decades—and a big reason for today’s gridlock.


     


    HILARIOUS!!!!





    High road looking for his usual "they did it too" , and digging real deep,  going back to McCarthy-era antiCommunist oaths (supported by both parties including Robert Kennedy) and  claiming that a mere political pledge by candidates not to raise taxes if elected,  is somehow comparable ...


    Delusional.

     
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    Before I decide whether to waste any time on this thread, is it really what it looks like?


    A conservative publication going off about a single writer, identified by either CLC or the conservative publication as a "liberal" - not a politician or person in a position of power, just a random blogger - who wrote something dumb?

     
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    another unbelievable dope It was one of YOU that want a loyalty oath - not us on the other side, you ought to get your head out of your backside and stop eating. You socialists didnt support Hobby Lobby, You want to break Fox news and take conservative talk off the radio, You went agtert a fox reporter by implying he broke a law. you want to take gumns awya from everybody - except your own body guards and Secret Service, You have an AG who only protects blacks civil liberties So tell me what the hell do you read - Johnathon Alder? who wants companies to take a loyalty oath - maybe Ohole should be the first Please try reading (W Wilson, the first Dem Progresssive , and someone HRC identifies with) and you will find that he wasnt a fan of the Constituition , i mean he was a bigot, anti woman and treated returning vets like chyt). try reading Obams - dreams of my FAther - his father was dreaming of a Socialist Kenya - hmmmmm No - we are frustrated cause you are so indoctrinated into your own byle that you cannot see what total and complete hypocrites you are. We are frustrtd becasue you cannot see and then defend incomptence at evry turn - O does not have one policy that has worked You are Hamas in drag





     


     


    Did you run out of crack immediately before you wrote this or something?


    Two words: Anger Management.


    Or just one word: Civility.

     
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    In response to NowWhatDoYouWant's comment:

    Before I decide whether to waste any time on this thread, is it really what it looks like?

     

    A conservative publication going off about a single writer, identified by either CLC or the conservative publication as a "liberal" - not a politician or person in a position of power, just a random blogger - who wrote something dumb?



    AKA: A well known. respected in some circles, liberal Democrat "thought leader."

     
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    To save myself some time, I went to the article that is subject of CLC's rant and ignored CLC's rant.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/04/the-united-states-needs-corporate-loyalty-oaths.html

     

    I then searched that article for "Obama", because if the thread title is true, the article would contain some statement to the effect that there should be a loyalty oath to Obama.

    The only two mentions of Obama's name were in these sentences:

     

    "That bill, sponsored by Sen. Carl Levin in the Senate and by his brother, Rep. Sander Levin, in the House, recently won the backing of President Obama, who made a good speech in Los Angeles blasting these companies as “corporate deserters.”"

    " Obama has already used that leverage to raise the minimum wage for companies doing business with the government and, in a little-noticed move, to force government contractors to pay their suppliers on time."

     

     

    Where is this "Obama loyalty oath"? 

     

     
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    Turns out the author suggested:

    1. Obama require that companies receiving federal contracts - ie, your tax dollars - not shelter money overseas to avoid paying taxes on the profits they make from your tax dollars; and that

    2. IF that happened, then MAYBE owners of businesses - who have the right to do what they please so long as legal - would put up "non-desertion" pledges promising to keep their money here, at risk of public shaming if they change their mind later or don't sign in the first place.

    These two suggestions flowed from his recognition that his real first suggestion - tax reform that restructures the code to avoid and/or disincentivize desertion - is an impossibility in this toxic political climate.

     

     

     

     

    There was nothing about a loyalty oath to Obama.

    CLC lied. Again.

     

     

     

    (and again and again and AGAIN.)

     

     
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    another unbelievable dope It was one of YOU that want a loyalty oath - not us on the other side, you ought to get your head out of your backside and stop eating. You socialists didnt support Hobby Lobby, You want to break Fox news and take conservative talk off the radio, You went agtert a fox reporter by implying he broke a law. you want to take gumns awya from everybody - except your own body guards and Secret Service, You have an AG who only protects blacks civil liberties So tell me what the hell do you read - Johnathon Alder? who wants companies to take a loyalty oath - maybe Ohole should be the first Please try reading (W Wilson, the first Dem Progresssive , and someone HRC identifies with) and you will find that he wasnt a fan of the Constituition , i mean he was a bigot, anti woman and treated returning vets like chyt). try reading Obams - dreams of my FAther - his father was dreaming of a Socialist Kenya - hmmmmm No - we are frustrated cause you are so indoctrinated into your own byle that you cannot see what total and complete hypocrites you are. We are frustrtd becasue you cannot see and then defend incomptence at evry turn - O does not have one policy that has worked You are Hamas in drag




     

     

     

     

     

    Did you run out of crack immediately before you wrote this or something?

     

    Two words: Anger Management.

     

    Or just one word: Civility.

    i lost that awhil ago with you boneheads

    You jo and fiddle & didle while rome burns

    Your policies all fail

    Ecomomically -   Make the 1% richer (Beffet et al), bring in more poor screech about the inequality

                                                        Think Detroit

    Internationally - Our friends dont trust the USA and our enemies laugh at us -

                                           Think Libya, Isreal,Russai, China and on and onSyria

                            You Speak Loud and carry a twig tah draws nonexitent lines int he sand

                                                         Think Syria

    Social Issues :   Tolerance for only those Agree with you & who fall in line in with your Goose Step

                            Intolerance for all others and a demand that they not only give up their ideas but join the

                                Wagon

    Make arguments by stealing terminiolgy, making up Straw Men arguments, always make sure that the blame is somewhere else, never admit a mistake. make sure that the populace doesnt think, demonize anyone that gets in your way.

    You have nothing worthwhile to debate - I dont lsiten to craz people in th crazy houe i am not going to listn to you barf in the street

    Because your side cashed in on civility long ago and you dont deserve anything but to be reviled

    Stick it up your **s and go bak your your basement

     

     
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    The Internet Tough Guy Strikes Back?

    Doesn't have the same ring to it.....

     

     
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    another unbelievable dope It was one of YOU that want a loyalty oath - not us on the other side, you ought to get your head out of your backside and stop eating. You socialists didnt support Hobby Lobby, You want to break Fox news and take conservative talk off the radio, You went agtert a fox reporter by implying he broke a law. you want to take gumns awya from everybody - except your own body guards and Secret Service, You have an AG who only protects blacks civil liberties So tell me what the hell do you read - Johnathon Alder? who wants companies to take a loyalty oath - maybe Ohole should be the first Please try reading (W Wilson, the first Dem Progresssive , and someone HRC identifies with) and you will find that he wasnt a fan of the Constituition , i mean he was a bigot, anti woman and treated returning vets like chyt). try reading Obams - dreams of my FAther - his father was dreaming of a Socialist Kenya - hmmmmm No - we are frustrated cause you are so indoctrinated into your own byle that you cannot see what total and complete hypocrites you are. We are frustrtd becasue you cannot see and then defend incomptence at evry turn - O does not have one policy that has worked You are Hamas in drag




     

     

     

     

     

    Did you run out of crack immediately before you wrote this or something?

     

    Two words: Anger Management.

     

    Or just one word: Civility.

    i lost that awhil ago with you boneheads

    You jo and fiddle & didle while rome burns

    Your policies all fail

    Ecomomically -   Make the 1% richer (Beffet et al), bring in more poor screech about the inequality

                                                        Think Detroit

    Internationally - Our friends dont trust the USA and our enemies laugh at us -

                                           Think Libya, Isreal,Russai, China and on and onSyria

                            You Speak Loud and carry a twig tah draws nonexitent lines int he sand

                                                         Think Syria

    Social Issues :   Tolerance for only those Agree with you & who fall in line in with your Goose Step

                            Intolerance for all others and a demand that they not only give up their ideas but join the

                                Wagon

    Make arguments by stealing terminiolgy, making up Straw Men arguments, always make sure that the blame is somewhere else, never admit a mistake. make sure that the populace doesnt think, demonize anyone that gets in your way.

    You have nothing worthwhile to debate - I dont lsiten to craz people in th crazy houe i am not going to listn to you barf in the street

    Because your side cashed in on civility long ago and you dont deserve anything but to be reviled

    Stick it up your **s and go bak your your basement

     




    This is the kind of reality detachment that Democrats are up against.

     
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    When was the last time we had a nationalistic movement tied to socialism? Maybe we should call it national socialism. Gotta find a way to shorten that into something catchy....




     




    Good point. You'd also need some kind of symbol to rally the troop around, have children sing songs glorifying the leader, and, most especially, identify a group living within your country that you can demonize and blame for all of society's ills. Good thing we've evolved way beyond that sort of thing.




     




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    Think for yourself, question authority.




     





    Good idea.  Maybe something like this?


     


     


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp-ot_vChlU" rel="nofollow">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp-ot_vChlU" rel="nofollow">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp-ot_vChlU


     


    i think we ought to just admit  superiority to the progressives.  After all, aren't they always posting articles about how much smarter they are?


     

     
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    Yes, definitely keep replying to SB, rather than admitting that you were sucked into CLC's lie because you're ready, willing, and able to believe anything negative said about "teh left"

     
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    another unbelievable dope It was one of YOU that want a loyalty oath - not us on the other side, you ought to get your head out of your backside and stop eating. You socialists didnt support Hobby Lobby, You want to break Fox news and take conservative talk off the radio, You went agtert a fox reporter by implying he broke a law. you want to take gumns awya from everybody - except your own body guards and Secret Service, You have an AG who only protects blacks civil liberties So tell me what the hell do you read - Johnathon Alder? who wants companies to take a loyalty oath - maybe Ohole should be the first Please try reading (W Wilson, the first Dem Progresssive , and someone HRC identifies with) and you will find that he wasnt a fan of the Constituition , i mean he was a bigot, anti woman and treated returning vets like chyt). try reading Obams - dreams of my FAther - his father was dreaming of a Socialist Kenya - hmmmmm No - we are frustrated cause you are so indoctrinated into your own byle that you cannot see what total and complete hypocrites you are. We are frustrtd becasue you cannot see and then defend incomptence at evry turn - O does not have one policy that has worked You are Hamas in drag






     


     


     


     


     


    Did you run out of crack immediately before you wrote this or something?


     


    Two words: Anger Management.


     


    Or just one word: Civility.



    i lost that awhil ago with you boneheads


    You jo and fiddle & didle while rome burns


    Your policies all fail


    Ecomomically -   Make the 1% richer (Beffet et al), bring in more poor screech about the inequality


                                                        Think Detroit


    Internationally - Our friends dont trust the USA and our enemies laugh at us -


                                           Think Libya, Isreal,Russai, China and on and onSyria


                            You Speak Loud and carry a twig tah draws nonexitent lines int he sand


                                                         Think Syria


    Social Issues :   Tolerance for only those Agree with you & who fall in line in with your Goose Step


                            Intolerance for all others and a demand that they not only give up their ideas but join the


                                Wagon


    Make arguments by stealing terminiolgy, making up Straw Men arguments, always make sure that the blame is somewhere else, never admit a mistake. make sure that the populace doesnt think, demonize anyone that gets in your way.


    You have nothing worthwhile to debate - I dont lsiten to craz people in th crazy houe i am not going to listn to you barf in the street


    Because your side cashed in on civility long ago and you dont deserve anything but to be reviled


    Stick it up your **s and go bak your your basement


     





    This is the kind of reality detachment that Democrats are up against.




    I just want you to know, that I am an economic patriot.  Just in case you are part of the government.   Or believe in global warming. Or belong to a group of environmentalists that are planning to roam the streets smashing the storefronts of republicans.  Can't be too safe these days.

     
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