Liberal program "Head Start" now scientifically certified as a $180 billion massive failure. Time for more "investment"!

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    Liberal program "Head Start" now scientifically certified as a $180 billion massive failure. Time for more "investment"!

    Wash Examiner:

    "There are few institutions more sacrosanct in Washington than President Johnson's Head Start program. The federal government spent more than $7.9 billion on the program in 2012 alone to provide preschool services for nearly 1 million low-income Americans.

    The program represents everything that is supposedly great about the liberal welfare state. It redistributes resources from wealthy to poor. It uses the power of the federal government to combat inequality by giving poor and minority students an educational boost before they fall behind their wealthier peers.

    There's just one problem: It doesn't work.

    Until recently, no one even conducted a scientific test of Head Start's effectiveness. Republicans demanded one in 1998, and the Department of Health and Human Services commissioned it four years later. The ongoing randomized study of Head Start was based on a nationally representative sample of 5,000 children who applied for the program in 2002. Approximately half of the subjects received Head Start services, while the other half did not. The students were then tested on their language, literacy, math and school performance skills.

    The initial results were supposed to be published by the HHS in March 2009. But the Obama administration delayed this until January 2010, at which point the reason became obvious. As the 2010 Head Start Impact Study report notes, "the benefits of access to Head Start at age four are largely absent by 1st grade for the program population as a whole." Specifically, the language, literacy, math and school performance skills of the Head Start children all failed to improve.

    Since 1965, the federal government has spent $180 billion on Head Start. Democrats have used the program as a partisan political weapon for decades. President Obama's 2012 stump speech even included a specific line about evil Republicans wanting to "kick children out of Head Start programs."

    Soon after he was sworn into office, Obama promised that when it came to education, his administration would "use only one test when deciding what ideas to support with your precious tax dollars: It's not whether an idea is liberal or conservative, but whether it works." Head Start doesn't work. Will Obama follow through on his promise and end (or reform!) the program, or will he cling to it as a "liberal idea"?

     
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     HHS has finally published a follow-up to its 2010 study that follows the same children through the end of third grade. And again, the HHS has concluded that Head Start is ineffective, concluding that Heat Start resulted in "very few impacts ... in any of the four domains of cognitive, social-emotional, health and parenting practices." And those impacts that were found "did not show a clear pattern of favorable or unfavorable impacts for children."

    Does that sound like a program you'd want to spend $8 billion on next year?

     
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    CLC would prefer Head Start privatized into price gouging, germ-infested Day Care Centers, preferably with armed guards as is the NRA's wont.

    Funny how not a single parent can wait until their kids are old enough to get them into Head Start.

    The conservative answer for education is "you get what you pay for", and if you can't pay, then tough gazongas.

     

     

     

     
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    It seems clear that the program does not meet its stated goals.  It either needs to be reworked, reconfigured, or resomething or discontinued.  It seems the only purpose being served is glorified day care. 

     
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    Re: Liberal program

    While a program like Head Start desperately needs improvement, eliminating it is simply not going to affect our country's fiscal situation.

    But this isn't about fiscal restraint to Bobin. It is about punishing poor people. If he wanted to demonstrate fiscal restraint, he would post articles about unnecessary defense spending or tax loopholes.

     
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    Re: Liberal program

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    CLC would prefer Head Start privatized into price gouging, germ-infested Day Care Centers, preferably with armed guards as is the NRA's wont.

    Funny how not a single parent can wait until their kids are old enough to get them into Head Start.

    The conservative answer for education is "you get what you pay for", and if you can't pay, then tough gazongas.

     

     

     

     



    This is a typical response from a moonbat when confronted with the facts that the programs they support do not work. Ignore the facts and press on with the failed program. Such compassion! And when the poor kids want to go on to a wretched public school, deny them vouchers to give them the choice to attend a private school where they have a better shot at a good education. THen send your own kids to private schools.

     



    Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is hardly a solution.  More like an excuse.

    Vouchers and charter schools are other solutions, but not THE solutions. Merely pieces in the puzzle.  And fwiw, I never opposed either, so your blame is misdirected, as usual.

    What I wonder though is what pre-school kids ever did to aggravate CLC and the WashEx so much as to make yet another ad hominem attack against the president for a program started over 40 years ago.

     

     

     
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    Re: Liberal program

    In response to NO MO O's comment:

    Is this a bigger Barry fiasco than the billions he pi55ed away on solar ?

    The federal government spent more than $7.9 billion on the program in 2012 alone to provide preschool services for nearly 1 million low-income Americans.

    Why that's ONLY $8K per kid.

    What does $8K get you these days?



    Bush signed the bill to increase the funds fivefold. 

    http://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/04/us/bush-signs-bill-to-expand-head-start-program-fivefold.html

     
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    Leave it to the trolls to only tell part of the story. I happen to be very familiar with this study. Not because I am an avid supporter of the Head Start model..but because I actually have a contract with a couple of their competitors.

    First...our resident troll's title aside...the Head Start program as we know it today is actually a result of the Head Start Act passed under Reagan, by a bipartisan vote of the House and Senate.

    Second....the study involved followed a cohort of 3 year olds and a cohort of 4 year olds from 2002-2006. The outcomes of these two groups of children were compared with control groups of the same age. 70 percent of the control group participants were enrolled in competing early education programs.

    It's important to note that last statement..because this really becomes an issue not of whether Headstart is effective or not..but is it more effective than other early childhood programs that have since been implemented. There are...literally..thousands of studies which show that preschoolers who participate in quality early education programs are more successfull in later years than children who don't. This is especially true of children in poverty.

    I would not expect there to be considerable differences in between the control group and the cohort group. What's more significant about the study is that the 3 year old cohort group did better than the 4 year old group..indicating that early educational intervention is more effective.

    Anyone interested in the facts should read the study.

    I personally think that in terms of educational value the Head Start model is outdated. I also think it is inconsistent and not properly monitored...from an educational standpoint. From a holistic standpoint of assisting in a child's overall well being they do a good job...but educationall..with the advent of subsidized child care..poor families have opportunities to send their children to other..higher performing early education programs.

    The Head Start model is not a liberal versus conservative thing. It's certainly not an "Obama thing". It is an outdated program that needs be revamped...monitored better and run with better focus.

    Studies like these take years to put together..and when done properly can take years to analyze the data..check..recheck..etc. It is not remotely out of the ordinary for it to take years to test and design a scientific study to the point where you can carry out the actual research.

    When Obama stated he the GOP wanted to kick kids out of Head Start programs..I am sure he was speaking with a broader brush. Of course..ironically..the number of subsidized child care slots has actually decreased under Obama. I see that as a bad thing...but I am sure some see it as a good thing.

     
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    "The Head Start model is not a liberal versus conservative thing. It's certainly not an "Obama thing". It is an outdated program that needs be revamped...monitored better and run with better focus"

    Better focus? Spend $180 billion to fail and it needs 'focus"? Yes, by all means, rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic ....

    If it was a private sector program, parents would expect results for the money they paid. If the program didnt produce what it promised, it would have to change radically or  go out of business. What a concept.

    But as Reagan said, the nearest thing to eternal life on earth is a government program. Failure only leads to more wasted spending.

    Most importantly, Head Start is 'social service pork', providing jobs to the entitled public sector , part of the Democrat redistribution machine. Of course just spending $180 billion itself  gives liberals a warm fuzzy feeling. Like the Chevy Volt, whether it actually succeeds is not the goal. 

     
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    Re: Liberal program

    In response to UserName99's comment:

    While a program like Head Start desperately needs improvement, eliminating it is simply not going to affect our country's fiscal situation.

    But this isn't about fiscal restraint to Bobin. It is about punishing poor people. If he wanted to demonstrate fiscal restraint, he would post articles about unnecessary defense spending or tax loopholes.



    Yes, with an alphabet soup of dozens of massively failed, corrupt, dependency-creating , outdated dinosaur federal programs to "fight poverty", touching one of them "wont affect the country's fiscal situation".

    "Punishing poor people"?  The Democrats love poor people, since they help create so many of them, and encourage them to stay poor and dependent..

    The government doesnt solve problems, it subsidizes them. Subsidizing poor people and encouraging this dependency  keeps them poor, it is a fact.

     
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    Funny how not a single parent can wait until their kids are old enough to get them into Head Start.



    They cant wait because it's free day care!!

     
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    Re: Liberal program

    In response to NO MO O's comment:

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

     

    In response to NO MO O's comment:

    You really think these mothers have any interest in participating in the economy? Geepers.. that means .... (shudder).. working !!! are you nuts ? Get real.

     


    Go away.

     




    You can't take the TRUTH sonny... or elect to deny it.

     

    More government dependency for the lazypaid for and sponsored by working Americans.




    You're just another astonishly ignorant wingnut who believes that "welfare" is a bottomless pit of unlimited cash, available free of any rules, to anyone who wants it, for as long as they want to take it.   And you just "know" that all welfare recipients are lazy, illiterate, drug-addicted minority criminals who refuse to work and bear children simply for the "rewards" of higher welfare benefits.

    Go away!


     

     
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    Re: Liberal program

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    They cant wait because it's free day care!



    Which then allows them to participate in the economy rather than staying home with the kid. Those without trust funds often cannot afford nannies.

     


    If the program isn't showing any meaningful cognitive gains, then it should jettison that part of it and simply become free day care for the disadvantaged. Simply make active work a requirement to participate.

     



    You really think these mothers have any interest in participating in the economy?

     

    Geepers.. that means .... (shudder).. working !!! are you nuts ?

    Get real.




    You are nothing but a troll who knows nothing what you are talking about. My nephew did 2 years of Head Start. At the time, my sister was working her a** off at McDonalds. She was lucky enough to be working full time there. Some weeks 50 or 60 hours. I bet she worked harder then you ever worked in your life. For crap pay. So losers like you can fill your face with 50 cent cheeseburgers. Don't dare imply she didn't participate in the economy.

     
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    They cant wait because it's free day care!



    Which then allows them to participate in the economy rather than staying home with the kid.


    If that were only true!!

     
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    Re: Liberal program

    Giving people free stuff, NEVER makes them more independent or accountible...EVER!!!

     
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    They cant wait because it's free day care!



    Which then allows them to participate in the economy rather than staying home with the kid.

     

     

     

    If that were only true!!




    Another  troll. It is true you clown. Look around. Who do you think is working at places like Mickey D, Dunkin, Wendys, Walmart.

    Easy to pick on the poor single moms isn't it. Easier then picking on the "men" who fathered the children in the first place- right?

     
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    Re: Liberal program

    In response to FaolanofEssex's comment:

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    They cant wait because it's free day care!
    Which then allows them to participate in the economy rather than staying home with the kid.

     If that were only true!!

    Another  troll. It is true you clown. Look around. Who do you think is working at places like Mickey D, Dunkin, Wendys, Walmart.

    Easy to pick on the poor single moms isn't it. Easier then picking on the "men" who fathered the children in the first place- right?




    Mostly part time students!! not single mother and fathers!!!

     
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    Re: Liberal program

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    If that were only true!!

    If only you had a basis of knowledge from which to issue that judgment!

    Unfortunately it seems all you know is Limbaughian rants and political propoganda from the Reagan era.

     




    Out of debate material so, just throw a weak slander out there. WINNING!!

    BTW: I never listen to limbaugh. lol

     
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    Re: Liberal program

    In response to tvoter's comment:

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    They cant wait because it's free day care!
    Which then allows them to participate in the economy rather than staying home with the kid.

     If that were only true!!

    Another  troll. It is true you clown. Look around. Who do you think is working at places like Mickey D, Dunkin, Wendys, Walmart.

    Easy to pick on the poor single moms isn't it. Easier then picking on the "men" who fathered the children in the first place- right?

     




    Mostly part time students!! not single mother and fathers!!!

     




    Wrong again spanky!

     
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