Low-tax, energy-rich red state regions in the heartland charge ahead as economies in blue states stagnate

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    Low-tax, energy-rich red state regions in the heartland charge ahead as economies in blue states stagnate

    The stereotype of the South as an economic and cultural backwater remains useful for liberals, but reality is quite different. 

    Ambitious and willing to work hard in a private sector job? Pack your bags and head out of the Northeast.

    WSJ:

    Trends point to a U.S. economic future dominated by four growth corridors that are generally less dense, more affordable, and markedly more conservative and pro-business: the Great Plains, the Intermountain West, the Third Coast (spanning the Gulf states from Texas to Florida), and the Southeastern industrial belt.

    Overall, these corridors account for 45% of the nation's land mass and 30% of its population. Between 2001 and 2011, job growth in the Great Plains, the Intermountain West and the Third Coast was between 7% and 8%—nearly 10 times the job growth rate for the rest of the country. Only the Southeastern industrial belt tracked close to the national average.

    Historically, these regions were little more than resource colonies or low-wage labor sites for richer, more technically advanced areas. By promoting policies that encourage enterprise and spark economic growth, they're catching up.

    Over the past decade, Texas alone has added 180,000 mostly high-paying energy-related jobs, Oklahoma another 40,000, and the Intermountain West well over 30,000. Energy-rich California, despite the nation's third-highest unemployment rate, has created a mere 20,000 such jobs. In New York, meanwhile, Gov. Andrew Cuomo is still delaying a decision on hydraulic fracturing.

    Since 2000, the Intermountain West's population has grown by 20%, the Third Coast's by 14%, the long-depopulating Great Plains by over 14%, and the Southeast by 13%. Population in the rest of the U.S. has grown barely 7%. Last year, the largest net recipients of domestic migrants were Texas and Florida, which between them gained 150,000. The biggest losers? New York, New Jersey, Illinois and California.

    As a result, the corridors are home to most of America's fastest-growing big cities, including Charlotte, Raleigh, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Salt Lake City, Oklahoma City and Denver. Critically for the economic and political future, the growth corridor seems particularly appealing to young families with children.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323549204578315714070017932.html?KEYWORDS=corridor

     
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    Re: Low-tax, energy-rich red state regions in the heartland charge ahead as economies in blue states stagnate

    And you think growing city sizes in these states bodes well for these states to remain red?

     
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    Re: Low-tax, energy-rich red state regions in the heartland charge ahead as economies in blue states stagnate

    In response to airborne-rgr's comment:

    In fact, every one of the states you mentioned are well above the nat'l average for minimum wage workers.

    The Southwest, as a region averages 7.7% minimum wage workers.

    New England averages less than half that 3.5%.

     

    Ya, I guess if ya just ignore all the facts and statistics ......

     



    Minimum  wage buys a lot more in the SW then NE.  Just look at a $100K Texas home vs. a $200K Mass home, ones virtually a palace.  Do you know where that one is?

     
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    Re: Low-tax, energy-rich red state regions in the heartland charge ahead as economies in blue states stagnate

    Does this mean we won't have to continue to subsidize the Red States and that they'll soon be pulling their fair share?

    Ever think that taxes being taken from the Blue States and injected into the Red States might have something to do with the boom in the red states?

     

     
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    Re: Low-tax, energy-rich red state regions in the heartland charge ahead as economies in blue states stagnate

    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:

    Does this mean we won't have to continue to subsidize the Red States and that they'll soon be pulling their fair share?

    Ever think that taxes being taken from the Blue States and injected into the Red States might have something to do with the boom in the red states?

     



    No.  The tax welfare paid by the blue states will continue. 

    These states remove collective bargaining laws, then pony up huge tax advantages to lure businesses.  The employees get paid so little that they don't make enough to pay taxes, which gets them labeled as takers. 

    Somebody has to pay for their roads, teachers, and cops. 

     
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    Re: Low-tax, energy-rich red state regions in the heartland charge ahead as economies in blue states stagnate

    In response to airborne-rgr's comment:

    Heh, heh, heh.... Now that's hilarious. 

    So why then does Texas, a state which by luck alone, is sitting on a wealth of energy yet they are one of the leaders in the country of workers at the minimum wage 8%. And California, which doesn't have the luxury of being born with a silver spoon in it's mouth, has the lowest rate of minimum wage workers 1.6%. The nat'l average is 5.2%.

    Is that what you wingnuts call 'good paying jobs'?

     



    Texas wealth was most certainly not Luck? It was exploration, entrepreneuralship, hard work and dedication to refining and energy!

    Luck did not build the pipelines that bring energy from other regions and the gulf of mexico, luck did not create the 7th largest deep water port in the world in Houston. Luck did not build the refining capacity that exceeds every other state combined!

    That accompamied by low taxes and a govt that promotes business is why Texas has boomed the last half century or longer virtually uninterrupted!

    It is also why states like Wyoming, the Dakotas, Pennsyvania and others are starting to discover shale oil and improve fracking technology to safely meet the energy demand of our nation!

    Not sitting around trying to build solar panels or green cars no one wants!!

     
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    Re: Low-tax, energy-rich red state regions in the heartland charge ahead as economies in blue states stagnate

    Wait until all of the fracking being done to make the oil/natural gas contaminates the drinking water and cancer rates in the Red States go spiking up.

     
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    Re: Low-tax, energy-rich red state regions in the heartland charge ahead as economies in blue states stagnate

    In response to tvoter's comment:

    In response to airborne-rgr's comment:

     

    Heh, heh, heh.... Now that's hilarious. 

    So why then does Texas, a state which by luck alone, is sitting on a wealth of energy yet they are one of the leaders in the country of workers at the minimum wage 8%. And California, which doesn't have the luxury of being born with a silver spoon in it's mouth, has the lowest rate of minimum wage workers 1.6%. The nat'l average is 5.2%.

    Is that what you wingnuts call 'good paying jobs'?

     



    Texas wealth was most certainly not Luck? It was exploration, entrepreneuralship, hard work and dedication to refining and energy!

     

    Luck did not build the pipelines that bring energy from other regions and the gulf of mexico, luck did not create the 7th largest deep water port in the world in Houston. Luck did not build the refining capacity that exceeds every other state combined!

    That accompamied by low taxes and a govt that promotes business is why Texas has boomed the last half century or longer virtually uninterrupted!

    It is also why states like Wyoming, the Dakotas, Pennsyvania and others are starting to discover shale oil and improve fracking technology to safely meet the energy demand of our nation!

    Not sitting around trying to build solar panels or green cars no one wants!!



    Moron - no amount of exploration and hardwork is going to find oil that doesn't exist.

     

     
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    Re: Low-tax, energy-rich red state regions in the heartland charge ahead as economies in blue states stagnate

    I'm still trying to figure out how growing cities in red states is good news for the GOP.

    What would an urban environment have to offer a Republican anyway?

    Museums and art galleries? The Republicans revise history and dismiss art as the masturbatory dabblings of an elite class.

    Parks? What good are woods if you can't hunt and shoot in them?

    Municipal transit? Communism!

    Gay couples? It's the End of Days.

    Urban populations have more university graduates--but higher education leads to more progressive, informed voters--and that's anathema to the Republican base, to the point that one former Republican candidate targeted it as unpatriotic and elite.

    The urban environment by definition mixes classes, races, and cultures, and promotes an acceptance of a wide range of attitudes and ideologies. The Republicans insist on a vision of the country based on a stage-set from "Father Knows Best."

    You can only gerrymander your population so much.

     
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    Re: Low-tax, energy-rich red state regions in the heartland charge ahead as economies in blue states stagnate

    In response to airborne-rgr's comment:

    Of course the reality is pretty simple.

    The wingnut states stumbled upon the natural resources which is the only reason they have anything of value. They don't create anything, they exploit it.

    The West, NW and New England states don't have the benefit of a ready made income source yet they exceed the wingnut states in every business and income category and are net contributors to the federal budget where as the wingnut states are net welfare queens.

    So which takes more entrepreneurial spirit:

    Sitting on a lake of oil, sticking a pipe in it and selling a commodity who's value is dependent on the international market which you have no control over.

    Creating software companies that generate markets of their own, developing cutting edge medical technology or building the largest financial, market-maker institutions in the world... all out of nothing but ingenuity or hard work and not dependendent on location. These companies could be anywhere in the country but they are concentrated in the West, NW and New England states.

     




    I cannot have a battle of wits with some so obviously out of ammo!

     
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    Re: Low-tax, energy-rich red state regions in the heartland charge ahead as economies in blue states stagnate

    In response to airborne-rgr's comment:

    In fact, every one of the states you mentioned are well above the nat'l average for minimum wage workers.

    The Southwest, as a region averages 7.7% minimum wage workers.

    New England averages less than half that 3.5%.

     Ya, I guess if ya just ignore all the facts and statistics ......

     



    What does that statistic really mean?

    In Texas, people actually want to work their way up. In Mass., they dont bother, why work a minimum wage job to get experience, when you get on the government dole. 

     
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    Re: Low-tax, energy-rich red state regions in the heartland charge ahead as economies in blue states stagnate

    "yet they exceed the wingnut states in every business and income category and are net contributors to the federal budget where as the wingnut states are net welfare queens.."

    This lie about red states being moochers is pathetic. It is not true, a moonbat myth. 

    If you are poor, on welfare, get a government check, have a public sector job, or a government contractor, you will vote Democratic, no matter what state you live in !!

    If you are self-reliant ,  you will likely not vote for the Party of Government Dependency.

     
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    Re: Low-tax, energy-rich red state regions in the heartland charge ahead as economies in blue states stagnate

    The moonbats dont lilke the fact that liberal policies have devastasted inner cities like Detroit, Cleveland, DC, Boston..and mass migrations out of failed liberalism is well underway.

    Smug liberals in Mass. and other Northeast  blue states are being overtaken by the growing economies in Texas, Georgia, Virginia, North Carolina. Hurts to lose, doesnt it?

    Moonbats only judge the economy based on how many useless public sector unionized bureacrat jobs there are...

    Liberals live in the past, they still think it is 1960, where the South was a backwater racist enclave and the Northeast was booming..

     

     
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    That is all right, when Mass. fills the state up with illegals, welfare recipients and every relative through third cousin in the public sector , you may lose your job and need to find opportunity... we will still welcome you ...y'all come on down here..

     




     

     
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    Re: Low-tax, energy-rich red state regions in the heartland charge ahead as economies in blue states stagnate

     "the wingnut states are net welfare queens."

    Lie, lie, lie.

    Among the states that are net "tax takers", within standard statistical errors about half of them are blue and half are red. The absolute worst one is Washington, DC. (13 blue states and 17 red states are "net negative," looking like it gives an advantage to the red, but try flipping a coin 30 times and see whether you can consistently get 15 heads and 15 tails with every 30 trials).

    Meanwhile, looking at the states with the biggest "surpluses," what I see are 1) Delaware, New Jersey and Connecticut is a small state with lots of uber-rich people (not states with a burgeoning middle class), 2) New York and Illinois have banking/Wall Street ties, again skewing the income pareto toward the uber-rich, and 3) Minnesota breaks the mold of liberal-sanctioned diversity, with a roughly 90% white and 85% religious population, and also a higher rate of outdoor activity than any other state and therefore lower health expenditures.

    Also looking at the biggest deficits on red states, most of them are either old south or sparsely populated states. For the sparsely populated states, it would make sense if a significant part of the federal dollars were coming from farm subsidies and the tax status of farmers. Given where the uber-rich tend to live (hint: not rural) this skews the income pareto towards the poor.

     
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