Re: March 20, 2003 Operation Iraqi Freedom ... 10 years later , was it worth it ?
posted at 3/20/2013 12:19 PM EDT
In response to Newtster's comment:
In response to MattyScornD's comment:
In response to Newtster's comment:
Bush had multiple sources of information with different answers. He picked the one he wanted for whatever reason.
But what was the reason, exactly?
Until the relevant players fess up, it's speculation. And then there's this from Bush speechwriter David Frum:
"I was less impressed by Chalabi than were some others in the Bush administration. However, since one of those 'others' was Vice President Cheney, it didn't matter what I thought. In 2002, Chalabi joined the annual summer retreat of the American Enterprise Institute near Vail, Colorado. He and Cheney spent long hours together, contemplating the possibilities of a Western-oriented Iraq: an additional source of oil, an alternative to US dependency on an unstable-looking Saudi Arabia."
It's less-than-helpful to have some of those players, like Rummy and Wolf are doing today, continue to trump up the conflict as if they did nothing wrong and Iraq is a democratic paradise. It's just not true. And it's also the essence of much of the gop's detachment from the reality of the Bush Years that everyone else seems to agree upon.
What difference does it make? Sound familiar?
What exactly did Rummy et. al. do wrong? They made a bad decision, a mistake? Sure it was a very costly one in terms of $$ and lives, but that is another subject altogether.
I think your perspective is a bit warped when you say
"And it's also the essence of much of the gop's detachment from the reality of the Bush Years that everyone else seems to agree upon."
Do you get out much? everyone? Perhaps you forgot the Bush kicked Kerry's a55 to get re-elected after much of this stuff was exposed . How could that happen?
Well, why did Bush choose to cherry pick intelligence to do what he wanted to do? It is all speculation. It could have been anything from he wanted to keep Saddam Hussein and his resources seperate from Al Qaeda and the threat that might have posed to us to getting even for his father or some deal to enrich himself. Could have been all of the above. Who knows? Seems like everyone and anyone that enters public office in Washington emerges far wealthier than you would expect from their earnings for public office, including the dunce that is President now.
In reality we had every right to declare war on Iraq for shooting at our air force that was enforcing the no-fly zone. Doesn't mean we should have, but perhaps Bush's biggest mistake was making more of it than he had to. Scroo the WMD. They are shooting at us and are violating their peace agreement.
If you're hyperpartisan, you can make the case that Bush did not lie to the American people. Yes, he cited the testimony of a known liar and con-man (Curveball) as his first-hand account of biological weapons labs that turned out to be nothing close. Yes, the man had been discredited by German intelligence, and those within the CIA who actually knew "Curveball" were shocked that he was being presented as "evidence" of a WMD Program. And yes, he cited a Yellow Cake purchase in his SOTU address that had been dis-credited by the CIA a year earlier. So to most liberal and objective eyes, the man at the very least was woefully misleading to the American public, and to congress, but to the hyper-partisan conservative he was not technically lying.
But Cheney and Rumsfeld are another matter. They said not only were there WMDs in Iraq, but they knew exactly where they were. Cheney said we would be greeted as liberators. Rumsfeld said he could not see the conflict lasting six months. They said they had evidence of Al Qaeda working with Saddam Hussein to procure the WMDs that did not exist.
And, to your question of how Bush won the 2004 election, despite being trounced at every debate - Tom Ridge admitted to manipulating the terror level alerts to give Bush an advantage. What does that tell you about their strategy? Hmm, we have a sitting president who lost the popular vote presiding over the worst terrorist attack in the country's history. The efforts to find the perpetrators have been fruitless for two years, and primary season is heating up. I'm not saying Bush started the war for political reasons, but this was in March, 2003. What would conservatives be saying if Obama had invaded Iran in March of 2007?