Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

    Safety has improved tremendously for coal miners over the past few decades, ambulance chasing trial lawyer hype notwithstanding...



    Miners in a coal mine are far safer than those  just walking the streets of the inner city progressive paradises of Chicago, Detroit, Newark etc...


    Maybe we need nanny state regulations against the danger of failed liberal policies...

     
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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

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    Safety has improved tremendously for coal miners over the past few decades, ambulance chasing trial lawyer hype notwithstanding..

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    It's specifically because of regulations and said lawyers that safety has improved over time.

    Are you really so stupid and/or dishonest that you think mine operators improved safety out of the goodness of their hearts? 

     

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    LOL...personal injury lawyers  doing good...that's a funny one!!!

     
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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

    Regulations that ensure the safety of coal miners are not bad regulations. Regulations that are designed to put coal miners out of their jobs are very bad regulations.

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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

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    Regulations that ensure the safety of coal miners are not bad regulations. Regulations that are designed to put coal miners out of their jobs are very bad regulations.

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    SB,

    I do not really think you believe that any regulation is "designed" to put coal miners out of work.

    The companies are not going to make the changes out of the goodness of their hearts so the regulations are absolutely necessary.

    If we do not do it it is akin to "blood diamonds". We will be continuing to get energy derived from coal mining at the expense of the deaths of our fellow human beings..."blood energy" so to speak.

     
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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

    Shall we say "regulations that necessarily put coal miners out of their jobs" then?

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/207942-democrats-new-coal-headache" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/207942-democrats-new-coal-headache

     

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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

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    Shall we say "regulations that necessarily put coal miners out of their jobs" then?

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/207942-democrats-new-coal-headache" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/207942-democrats-new-coal-headache" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/207942-democrats-new-coal-headache

     

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    SB,

    Improved phrasing. :)

    Read the article you cited. Noted that for opponents of the EPA's new regulation on carbon pollution there is a possibility that their opposition may backfire on them.

     

    "And despite the potential damage the move could do to Democratic prospects in red and purple states, it’s likely to offer somewhat of a boost as it enlivens environmentalists.

    The League of Conservation Voters lauded the move as “the biggest step we’ve ever taken for the biggest challenge we’ve ever faced.”

    “The American people support these commonsense safeguards and are sick of the lie that pollution has to be the fuel of our economic engine. The desperate and dirty opponents of these safeguards are using a failed, outdated playbook to protect their profits,” said LCV President Gene Karpinski in a statement."

     

    Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/207942-democrats-new-coal-headache#ixzz37crtxJxl

     
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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

    Uh huh, tell that to the victims of President Obama's war on coal.

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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

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    Shall we say "regulations that necessarily put coal miners out of their jobs" then?

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/207942-democrats-new-coal-headache" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/207942-democrats-new-coal-headache" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/207942-democrats-new-coal-headache" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/207942-democrats-new-coal-headache" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/207942-democrats-new-coal-headache

     

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    SB,

    Improved phrasing. :)

    Read the article you cited. Noted that for opponents of the EPA's new regulation on carbon pollution there is a possibility that their opposition may backfire on them.

     

    "And despite the potential damage the move could do to Democratic prospects in red and purple states, it’s likely to offer somewhat of a boost as it enlivens environmentalists.

    The League of Conservation Voters lauded the move as “the biggest step we’ve ever taken for the biggest challenge we’ve ever faced.”

    “The American people support these commonsense safeguards and are sick of the lie that pollution has to be the fuel of our economic engine. The desperate and dirty opponents of these safeguards are using a failed, outdated playbook to protect their profits,” said LCV President Gene Karpinski in a statement."

     

    Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/207942-democrats-new-coal-headache#ixzz37crtxJxl" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/207942-democrats-new-coal-headache#ixzz37crtxJxl

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    Sounds like social engineering to me. 

    I didn't know that going back to candles and riding horses constitutes a step forward.

     
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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

    "I didn't know that going back to candles and riding horses constitutes a step forward."

     

    ron,

    That is one of the GOP talking points I have read. You are much better than that.

    The regulation is clearly about saving coal miners' lives even at the cost of perhaps some vulnerable Democratic senate seats.



     
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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

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    Uh huh, tell that to the victims of President Obama's war on coal.

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    SB,

    Tell what to the "victims of President Obama's war on coal"?

     
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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

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    Uh huh, tell that to the victims of President Obama's war on coal.

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    SB,

    Tell what to the "victims of President Obama's war on coal"?

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    “The American people support these commonsense safeguards and are sick of the lie that pollution has to be the fuel of our economic engine. The desperate and dirty opponents of these safeguards are using a failed, outdated playbook to protect their profits,” said LCV President Gene Karpinski in a statement."

     

     

    Tell that to the "desperate and dirty" coal miners that have and will be losing their jobs,

     

     
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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

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    “The American people support these commonsense safeguards and are sick of the lie that pollution has to be the fuel of our economic engine. The desperate and dirty opponents of these safeguards are using a failed, outdated playbook to protect their profits,” said LCV President Gene Karpinski in a statement."

    Tell that to the "desperate and dirty" coal miners that have and will be losing their jobs,

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    Are we not allowed to switch away from coal until coal reserves are exhausted?

    Is there no societal value to, say, not getting cancer from pollution?

     
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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

     We're not allowed to switch from coal to satisfy a stridently vocal minority Democrat voting block without an equal or better alternative available to take it's place.

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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

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    “The American people support these commonsense safeguards and are sick of the lie that pollution has to be the fuel of our economic engine. The desperate and dirty opponents of these safeguards are using a failed, outdated playbook to protect their profits,” said LCV President Gene Karpinski in a statement."

    Tell that to the "desperate and dirty" coal miners that have and will be losing their jobs,

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    Are we not allowed to switch away from coal until coal reserves are exhausted?

    Is there no societal value to, say, not getting cancer from pollution?

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    Who is "we"?? Does the Constitution allow the federal Government the unlimited power to dictate what type of energy citizens must use, regardless of cost or efficiency?

     

     
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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

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    Does the Constitution allow the federal Government the unlimited power to dictate what type of energy citizens must use, regardless of cost or efficiency?


    What Supreme Court cases have you personally read regarding the scope of the government's authority to legislate in such areas and what is your opinion of them?


     

     
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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

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     We're not allowed to switch from coal to satisfy a stridently vocal minority Democrat voting block without an equal or better alternative available to take it's place.




    I thought it was supposed to be Democrats trying to stop coal use. You know, your own line "Obama's war on coal" ?

     
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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

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     Does the Constitution allow the federal Government the unlimited power to dictate what type of energy citizens must use, regardless of cost or efficiency?

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    It does when the pollution from the energy source in one state ends up in another state.

     
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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

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     We're not allowed to switch from coal to satisfy a stridently vocal minority Democrat voting block without an equal or better alternative available to take it's place.

     

     

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    I thought it was supposed to be Democrats trying to stop coal use. You know, your own line "Obama's war on coal" ?

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    Many are, excepting some whose states are adversely impacted, in order to please one of the more egregiously stupid special interest groups that make up the Democrat party base.

     

     
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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

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    Does the Constitution allow the federal Government the unlimited power to dictate what type of energy citizens must use, regardless of cost or efficiency?



    What Supreme Court cases have you personally read regarding the scope of the government's authority to legislate in such areas and what is your opinion of them?

     

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    Using the law school card, eh? Been a while since law school for me....give me a few weeks to draft a brief.

     
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    Re: Masters of Mars' future coal factors take brave stand against nanny-state regulations

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    Does the Constitution allow the federal Government the unlimited power to dictate what type of energy citizens must use, regardless of cost or efficiency?


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    What Supreme Court cases have you personally read regarding the scope of the government's authority to legislate in such areas and what is your opinion of them?


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    Using the law school card, eh? Been a while since law school for me....give me a few weeks to draft a brief.




    Law school card? That's a card now?


    More like I'm asking you to demonstrate that you have the slightest clue of what you're trying to talk about.


     


     


    You seem to think that merely invoking the Constitution makes an argument.


     


     


     


    It doesn't.

     

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