Michigan leads the nation

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    Re: Michigan leads the nation

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    Right to work states attract large manufacturing jobs.  Why do you think that Toyata, Nissan and BMW have plants in TN and GA.

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    Low wages are another reason.  Big tax breaks are another.

    Both have more of an effect to the company bottom line than the labor unions.

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    ....and how much union legacy burden is on Ford and GM vs. Toyota?

     

    example of legacy costs

     

     I googled it and came up with this:

    http://chryslerlabortalks07.com/Economic_Data.pdf

    Which shows how much it is costing the company per hour for each labor worker when factoring in base salary, benefits, and various other compensations:

    DaimlerChrysler $75.86
    General Motors $73.26
    Ford $70.51

    Toyota $47.60
    Honda $42.95
    Nissan $41.97

     
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    Re: Michigan leads the nation

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    Right to work states attract large manufacturing jobs.  Why do you think that Toyata, Nissan and BMW have plants in TN and GA.

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    Low wages are another reason.  Big tax breaks are another.

    Both have more of an effect to the company bottom line than the labor unions.

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    ....and how much union legacy burden is on Ford and GM vs. Toyota?

     

    example of legacy costs

     

     I googled it and came up with this:

    http://chryslerlabortalks07.com/Economic_Data.pdf

    Which shows how much it is costing the company per hour for each labor worker when factoring in base salary, benefits, and various other compensations:

    DaimlerChrysler $75.86
    General Motors $73.26
    Ford $70.51

    Toyota $47.60
    Honda $42.95
    Nissan $41.97

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    That's not a direct comparison.  Retirees earned their pensions and benefits - both of which would have been impossible without union representation in the first place.  

    Legacy costs are another matter entirely; however, they DO help offset senior benefits from other areas, namely medicare.  Those were the days, huh?  Now, they're long-gone and a BIG reason why need for services will be spiking in the near future.

    Incidentally, my father-in-law is one of those retirees.  Worked the line at Ford's Dearborn plant for over 30 years without fail.  It's not huge, but between that and a part-time job, he gets by.

    And the difference between salaries and total compensation is a canard, depending on the issue at-hand.

     

     
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    Re: Michigan leads the nation

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    There is significant research that shows 'right-to-work' laws have no postive impact on job creation and in some cases even decreases job opportunities.

    As far as I know, nobody, anywhere, is "forced" to unionize, per state and federal law, and the decision to do so cannot be held against the employee's status of employment.

     

    If anything, some industries could use more unions, not fewer.

     

     

     

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    Matty is right obviously but let me add more - if its so important for a person to be able to "draft" (like NASCAR cars do) on to the benefits won by unions, then in return shouldn't unions be able to freely fight for their existance. A right to work law should also imply a right to unionize without impedence as well.

    On additional thought: Michigan has a full GOP death grip on the government - full one party rule - this action was done by breaking every rule, following every twisty path to ram this thru in the dark of night witout any debate public or otherwise. 

    Shouldn't you wingnuts OBJECT to this? - this is being rammed down the states throats....this is being done by a one party rule that you object to so passionately - oh wait, its not the Democratic Party - so its all OK! 

    BS and hypocrisy cubed!

     

     
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    There is significant research that shows 'right-to-work' laws have no postive impact on job creation and in some cases even decreases job opportunities.

    As far as I know, nobody, anywhere, is "forced" to unionize, per state and federal law, and the decision to do so cannot be held against the employee's status of employment.

     

    If anything, some industries could use more unions, not fewer.

     

     

     

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    Matty is right obviously but let me add more - if its so important for a person to be able to "draft" (like NASCAR cars do) on to the benefits won by unions, then in return shouldn't unions be able to freely fight for their existance. A right to work law should also imply a right to unionize without impedence as well.

    On additional thought: Michigan has a full GOP death grip on the government - full one party rule - this action was done by breaking every rule, following every twisty path to ram this thru in the dark of night witout any debate public or otherwise. 

    Shouldn't you wingnuts OBJECT to this? - this is being rammed down the states throats....this is being done by a one party rule that you object to so passionately - oh wait, its not the Democratic Party - so its all OK! 

    BS and hypocrisy cubed!

     

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    I think they call that a dictatorship !

     
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    At Undead

     

    Who will stand guard over the prevailing wages, safety in your workplace, and a chance for a better life.....your employer whose history shows doesn't have a conscience?

     

    SOLADARITY BROTHERS AND SISTERS of MICHIGAN!

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    Every company I have worked for had no union and there has never been an issue with wages or safety. It is the job of Human Resources to take care of this stuff. No need for a union.

     

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    Sistah believes in the "priveleged"

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    Hey fool I believe that Young Americans don't have to settle to be a coerced, indentured work force without a chance for a better furture. That isn't the American Dream !

     
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    Re: Michigan leads the nation

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    Of the ten states with the HIGHEST POVERTY RATES, eight of them are so-called right to work(for less) states already.  They are as follows:  Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Arizona,Tennessee.  They fall in the order of highest to lower poverty rates.

    Thank you Michigan's gop for firing up the democratic base AGAIN and SO SOON!  We won't stand by and watch Michigan freefall to the bottom of that list!

     

    SOLADARITY BROTHERS AND SISTERS of MICHIGAN!

     

     

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    Even if it means spilling some blood. Yeaaaaaaaaa!!!!! 

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    I think it was the queen of your party that used the Jefferson quote about the Tree of Liberty being  watered with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants.

    BTW we will wage our war with tyrants at the ballot box .

     
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    Anyone watch that palooka almost have a heart attack while taking a swing at the kid from FOX? The kid took a full shot on the face from the blow hard that suckered him and walked away almost laughing. Meanwhile the rest of the union canned Hams with hard hats tried to tear down a tent with woman and old people inside. If the overweight palookas in the union are going to show up at these rallies maybe they should have paramedics on hand for Them. 

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    You would be amazed at the phyiscal shape of my Union Brothers and Sisters.

     
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    Anyone watch that palooka almost have a heart attack while taking a swing at the kid from FOX? The kid took a full shot on the face from the blow hard that suckered him and walked away almost laughing. Meanwhile the rest of the union canned Hams with hard hats tried to tear down a tent with woman and old people inside. If the overweight palookas in the union are going to show up at these rallies maybe they should have paramedics on hand for Them. 

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    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/11/1169038/-BREAKING-Americans-for-Prosperity-stages-phony-altercation-at-Mich-Right-to-Work-rally-interview

     
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    Re: Michigan leads the nation

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    There is significant research that shows 'right-to-work' laws have no postive impact on job creation and in some cases even decreases job opportunities.

    As far as I know, nobody, anywhere, is "forced" to unionize, per state and federal law, and the decision to do so cannot be held against the employee's status of employment.

     

    If anything, some industries could use more unions, not fewer.

     

     

     

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    Matty is right obviously but let me add more - if its so important for a person to be able to "draft" (like NASCAR cars do) on to the benefits won by unions, then in return shouldn't unions be able to freely fight for their existance. A right to work law should also imply a right to unionize without impedence as well.

    On additional thought: Michigan has a full GOP death grip on the government - full one party rule - this action was done by breaking every rule, following every twisty path to ram this thru in the dark of night witout any debate public or otherwise. 

    Shouldn't you wingnuts OBJECT to this? - this is being rammed down the states throats....this is being done by a one party rule that you object to so passionately - oh wait, its not the Democratic Party - so its all OK! 

    BS and hypocrisy cubed!

     

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    I think they call that a dictatorship !

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    Funny, isn't that we have here in MA under democrats? I wouldn't be complaining if I were you, unless you wish to argue that being under one party (no matter which party it may be) is a bad thing.

     

     
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    Re: Michigan leads the nation

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    There is significant research that shows 'right-to-work' laws have no postive impact on job creation and in some cases even decreases job opportunities.

    As far as I know, nobody, anywhere, is "forced" to unionize, per state and federal law, and the decision to do so cannot be held against the employee's status of employment.

     

    If anything, some industries could use more unions, not fewer.

     

     

     

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    You must have not read the IBD this morning.

    Right to work states pay more, hire more.  Source:U.S. Commerce department.

    HAH!  I love it.  Government source n'all.

     

    Stop listening to your union propaganda.  the union is simply a tool of an agenda that is destroying your freedoms.

     

     
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    Of the ten states with the HIGHEST POVERTY RATES, eight of them are so-called right to work(for less) states already.  They are as follows:  Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Arizona,Tennessee.  They fall in the order of highest to lower poverty rates.

    Thank you Michigan's gop for firing up the democratic base AGAIN and SO SOON!  We won't stand by and watch Michigan freefall to the bottom of that list!

     

    SOLADARITY BROTHERS AND SISTERS of MICHIGAN!

     

     

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    So, forcing fewer workers into higher paying jobs serves these states, how?

     
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    Of the ten states with the HIGHEST POVERTY RATES, eight of them are so-called right to work(for less) states already.  They are as follows:  Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Arizona,Tennessee.  They fall in the order of highest to lower poverty rates.

    Thank you Michigan's gop for firing up the democratic base AGAIN and SO SOON!  We won't stand by and watch Michigan freefall to the bottom of that list!

     

    SOLADARITY BROTHERS AND SISTERS of MICHIGAN!

     

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    And their neighborhoods and communities suffer from the worst schools in the nation, the most toxic air, soil and water, the worst roads, the most abject poverty. Not coincidentally, these mudholes are the reddest states in the nation.

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    Right.  Freedom  is such a bad thing, it causes pollution and poverty.  sigh.

    What a union slug.

     
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    The GOP still hasn't learned it's lesson !

     

     
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    Re: Michigan leads the nation

    O what is going on in these right to work states is the GOP is limiting the ability of unions to engage in poltical activities .......... you know to make sure that corporations will always have the upper hand.

    BTW are you gainfully employed ?

     
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    Did you ever consider that each individual has a right to donate to a political campaign on their own?

     After all, just because someone in a union doesn't mean they're going to vote for the guy the bosses want.

     

     
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    This isn't going to stop.  The purpose of this legislation is to depress wages and benefits, that's it.  Powerful forces in this country want to level the playing field for labor internationally. They won't be satisfied until the pay scale and benefits for the average American worker are on par with what workers get paid in Latin American or Southern Asia. 

     
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    Re: Michigan leads the nation

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    Did you ever consider that each individual has a right to donate to a political campaign on their own?

     After all, just because someone in a union doesn't mean they're going to vote for the guy the bosses want.

     

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    That's not how it works. Your dues are not used for political contributions, because it's not legal. Unions have separate PAC, to which members may contribute IF THEY WISH

     
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