Mitt: Caught on Tape

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    Mitt: Caught on Tape

    Romney Talks Bluntly of Those Dependent on Government

    Mitt Romney described almost half of Americans as “dependent upon government” during a private reception with donors earlier this year and said those voters will likely support President Obama because they believe they are “entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it.”

    The recordings surfaced even as Mr. Romney sought to retool his campaign message amid internal campaign sniping and calls from Republicans outside the campaign for him to be more specific about how his policies will fix the nation’s economy.

    The video clips raised the possibility that his campaign would once again be sidetracked by Mr. Romney’s own words, a problem that has plagued the former Massachusetts governor since his hard-fought battle with Republican rivals during the nominating contests earlier this year.

    The video of Mr. Romney making the comments was posted on the Internet Monday afternoon by Mother Jones, a liberal magazine, which said it had obtained the recording and had confirmed its authenticity. The magazine said it was concealing the identity of the person who took the video and the location and time of the recording.

    The New York Times is unable to confirm where or when the clips were taken. The author of the article on the Mother Jones Web site, David Corn, said the video was taken after Mr. Romney won the Republican nominating contest, but he declined to comment further.

    In one video segment, Mr. Romney described how his campaign is writing off “47 percent of the people” who will vote for Mr. Obama “no matter what.” He adds that those people “are people who pay no income tax” and says “so our message of low taxes doesn’t connect.”

    Mr. Romney said that “my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

    The comments by Mr. Romney were more stark than usual, though he typically talks in public about supporters of Mr. Obama wanting big government to take care of their problems. He often accuses Mr. Obama and his supporters of wanting to bring a European-style socialism to the United States.

    In the videos, Mr. Romney says that his campaign is concentrating on the “5 to 10 percent in the center” whom he describes as “thoughtful” when it comes to deciding who to vote for.

    Jim Messina, Mr. Obama’s campaign manager, said in a statement Monday evening that it was “shocking” that Mr. Romney would “go behind closed doors” to describe nearly half of the country in such terms.

    “It’s hard to serve as president for all Americans when you’ve disdainfully written off half the nation,” Mr. Messina wrote.

    Gail Gitcho, the communications director for Mr. Romney, said in a statement that Mr. Romney is “concerned about the growing number of people who are dependent on the federal government, including the record number of people who are on food stamps, nearly one in six Americans in poverty, and the 23 million Americans who are struggling to find work.”

    The videos, which are blurry, nonetheless clearly show Mr. Romney as he engages in a lengthy discussion about his quest to win the White House from Mr. Obama.

    In other segments of the fund-raiser, Mr. Romney speaks candidly — and confidently — about the challenges that he faces going up against an incumbent president. He dismisses the idea of providing more specifics about his policy proposals, saying providing a “highly intellectual” discussion of such issues “typically doesn’t win elections.”

    He said his campaign had put out “white papers” on a series of subjects, but added: “I have to tell you, I don’t think this will have a significant impact on my electability. I wish it did.”

    Mr. Romney also predicted that stock markets would likely rise if he wins in November.

    “There will be a great deal of optimism about the future of this country,” he said. “We’ll see capital come back and we’ll see — without actually doing anything — we’ll actually get a boost in the economy,” he said. “If the president gets re-elected, I don’t know what will happen. I can­, I can never predict what the markets will do.”

    But the most striking part of the video is Mr. Romney’s characterization of nearly half of the country. His assessment of the “47 percent” echoes a line of conservative thinking that has been championed by his running mate, Representative Paul D. Ryan. Mr. Ryan has long argued that nearly half of the people in America are either “dependent” or “reliant” on the federal government.

    “A full 70 percent of Americans get more benefits in dollar value from the federal government than they pay back in taxes,” Mr. Ryan said in a speech at the American Enterprise Institute, according to The New Republic.

    Mr. Romney’s figure of 47 percent may come from the Tax Policy Center, which found that 46.4 percent of households paid no federal income tax in 2011. But most households did pay payroll taxes. Of the 18.1 percent of households that paid neither income taxes nor payroll taxes, the center
    found that more than half were elderly and more than a third were not elderly but had incomes under $20,000. Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the center, wrote in a blog post last summer that about half of those were off the rolls
    because they had low incomes.

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/romney-faults-those-dependent-on-government/?hp

     
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    NY Times, NBC, Mother Jones...a regular liberal sewing circle....

    "Mr. Ryan has long argued that nearly half of the people in America are either “dependent” or “reliant” on the federal government"

    It is not an argument, it is a fact.

    Simple choice.  If healthy government dependents want to get a job and be self reliant, they will vote for Republicans. If they want to be helpless lifetime dependents mooching off taxpayers, they will vote Democrat.

     
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    Ouch.  Wonder if he's including some of his colleagues.  Tax expenditures could amount to a lot of money.  But he's probably not.  And we'll never know.

    During the Occupy action, wasn't the iconic counter from Murdoch&Ailes and EIB network sales forces "53%"? "53%" "53%"?  A discrepancy.  But the loyal opposition here is rising to support the new number.

    Anyway, this one's too early.  Too many news cycles left.  Unless there are a series of these to keep him from getting back on his feet.

     
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    And this prediction again: He'll fire his campaign staff and hire a new one.  It will be described as agonizing, but occurring despite his fabled loyal personality as illustrated by keeping Mr. Fehrnstrom ("Etch-a-Sketch") on somewhere.

     
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    This morning..I heard the tape in its entirety. All I can say is wow....I mean wow...Romney better bring his A game to the debates.

     

     
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    The focus has been on the "47%".  The 2 of the 1-2 was "If I was latino, I'd have had a better chance."

     
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    What Romney said is a fact.  I don't know why the left doesn't want to talk about the "success" of their policies.

    Look, all the "clever" comments by Angry aside, there are two visions.  the Democrats want more people dependent on the government, the Repubicans want less. 

    Why are the Democrats so unwilling to have this discussion?

     
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    In response to 12-Angry-Men's comment:
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    Sorry to slap you idiots around with facts but someone has to do it.

    Gawd knows ya'll are idealogically ignorant and fight hard to stay that way.

    The fact is that the states with the highest percentage of residents who pay no income taxes are whacko wingnut states.

    Mississippi 45%, Georgia 41%, Arkansas 41%, New Mexico 40%, Alabama 40%

    South Carolina 40%, Louisiana 39%, Texas 39%, Florida 39%, Idaho 39%

    Tennessee 39%, North Carolina 38%

     

    http://taxfoundation.org:81/article/states-vary-widely-number-tax-filers-no-income-tax-liability

     

     

    Reality is a biyatch!!!

     

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    What on Earth is your point? 

     
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    In response to skeeter20's comment:
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    What Romney said is a fact.  I don't know why the left doesn't want to talk about the "success" of their policies.

    Look, all the "clever" comments by Angry aside, there are two visions.  the Democrats want more people dependent on the government, the Repubicans want less. 

    Why are the Democrats so unwilling to have this discussion?

     

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    Skeeter..just because you say it's a fact doesn't mean it is a fact. This morning..people on both sides of the aisle are "fact checking" his claims..and they are not holding up very well. 

     
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    Romney is correct; but..........he forgot about the elderly Social security crowd and he forgot about the many active military who pay taxes just not income taxes and the 8.3% unemployed.

    The portion of the 46.4%, truly in the entitled the government owes me mentality is most likely half that amount. That means he is writing off 23% of the electorate, made up of Dems, GOP and independents.

    Romney was stupid with his remarks which were caught surreptitiously on a Smartphone.  This was as stupid as Obama’s similar swipe at the bitter Midwesterners who cling to their guns and bibles, but not nearly as damning as Obama’s open mic moment with Putin this past spring when he said he could be more flexible after the election on nuclear arms.

    The debate this morning is do these open mic issues have staying power; well Obama’s does with the GOP and Romney’s does with the Dems; but how does it read with the middle?  I think the 47% comment will hurt Romney more as he sounds less caring and the more liberal press will keep it in the press longer.

    Romney needs to get back to the economy and tell us what he’ll do different with some specificity vs. I’ll do better than the guy that is failing.  I fear Romney is succeeding in losing a election that was his to lose.

     

     
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    Income taxes aren't the only taxes. Everyone who earns a paycheck pays medicare and social security taxes. Throw in state and county level taxes, which are indifferent to income, you'll find that every individual contributes a substantial percentage of their income towards taxes.

    People who don't pay income taxes tend to be citizens who are already so poor that any additional taxes would put them at the risk of starvation. To say that these people are simply hopeless dependents who never want to live a self-sufficient life is the height of ignorance.

    Mitt Romney also failed to mention that his business practices helped to contribute to that 47%. He made a career out of taking over small companies and milking their solvency to the point of bankruptcy. To Romney, all those people who lost their jobs in the wake of his actions are simply losers who didn't work hard enough. Why would any of them vote for him?

     
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    "Caught on tape!!"  Telling the truth....how scandalous!!!!

    The truth is that people don't bite the hand that feeds them.  Obama's failure has created record numbers of Americans on welfare, food stamps and entitlement programs.

     

     
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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:
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    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    What on Earth is your point



    It's too painfully obvious to point out to you. But I'll give you a clue: The point is similar to the point people make when they note that the federal government enables a huge flow of money from blue states to the red states that complain about federal government handouts.

     


    Second clue: Both points have something to do with the R being full of a brown substance with a nose predominantly of methane and sulfur.

     

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    So, in other words, you have no point.  you pick a handful of states, assign them to the republicans, then complain.

    The real message might be why is liberal policies hurting the people in these states so much?

     
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    Income taxes aren't the only taxes. Everyone who earns a paycheck pays medicare and social security taxes. Throw in state and county level taxes, which are indifferent to income, you'll find that every individual contributes a substantial percentage of their income towards taxes.

    People who don't pay income taxes tend to be citizens who are already so poor that any additional taxes would put them at the risk of starvation. To say that these people are simply hopeless dependents who never want to live a self-sufficient life is the height of ignorance.

    Mitt Romney also failed to mention that his business practices helped to contribute to that 47%. He made a career out of taking over small companies and milking their solvency to the point of bankruptcy. To Romney, all those people who lost their jobs in the wake of his actions are simply losers who didn't work hard enough. Why would any of them vote for him?

     

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    Clueless.

     
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    Romney Talks Bluntly of Those Dependent on Government

    Mitt Romney described almost half of Americans as “dependent upon government” during a private reception with donors earlier this year and said those voters will likely support President Obama because they believe they are “entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it.”

    The recordings surfaced even as Mr. Romney sought to retool his campaign message amid internal campaign sniping and calls from Republicans outside the campaign for him to be more specific about how his policies will fix the nation’s economy.

    The video clips raised the possibility that his campaign would once again be sidetracked by Mr. Romney’s own words, a problem that has plagued the former Massachusetts governor since his hard-fought battle with Republican rivals during the nominating contests earlier this year.

    The video of Mr. Romney making the comments was posted on the Internet Monday afternoon by Mother Jones, a liberal magazine, which said it had obtained the recording and had confirmed its authenticity. The magazine said it was concealing the identity of the person who took the video and the location and time of the recording.

    The New York Times is unable to confirm where or when the clips were taken. The author of the article on the Mother Jones Web site, David Corn, said the video was taken after Mr. Romney won the Republican nominating contest, but he declined to comment further.

    In one video segment, Mr. Romney described how his campaign is writing off “47 percent of the people” who will vote for Mr. Obama “no matter what.” He adds that those people “are people who pay no income tax” and says “so our message of low taxes doesn’t connect.”

    Mr. Romney said that “my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

    The comments by Mr. Romney were more stark than usual, though he typically talks in public about supporters of Mr. Obama wanting big government to take care of their problems. He often accuses Mr. Obama and his supporters of wanting to bring a European-style socialism to the United States.

    In the videos, Mr. Romney says that his campaign is concentrating on the “5 to 10 percent in the center” whom he describes as “thoughtful” when it comes to deciding who to vote for.

    Jim Messina, Mr. Obama’s campaign manager, said in a statement Monday evening that it was “shocking” that Mr. Romney would “go behind closed doors” to describe nearly half of the country in such terms.

    “It’s hard to serve as president for all Americans when you’ve disdainfully written off half the nation,” Mr. Messina wrote.

    Gail Gitcho, the communications director for Mr. Romney, said in a statement that Mr. Romney is “concerned about the growing number of people who are dependent on the federal government, including the record number of people who are on food stamps, nearly one in six Americans in poverty, and the 23 million Americans who are struggling to find work.”

    The videos, which are blurry, nonetheless clearly show Mr. Romney as he engages in a lengthy discussion about his quest to win the White House from Mr. Obama.

    In other segments of the fund-raiser, Mr. Romney speaks candidly — and confidently — about the challenges that he faces going up against an incumbent president. He dismisses the idea of providing more specifics about his policy proposals, saying providing a “highly intellectual” discussion of such issues “typically doesn’t win elections.”

    He said his campaign had put out “white papers” on a series of subjects, but added: “I have to tell you, I don’t think this will have a significant impact on my electability. I wish it did.”

    Mr. Romney also predicted that stock markets would likely rise if he wins in November.

    “There will be a great deal of optimism about the future of this country,” he said. “We’ll see capital come back and we’ll see — without actually doing anything — we’ll actually get a boost in the economy,” he said. “If the president gets re-elected, I don’t know what will happen. I can­, I can never predict what the markets will do.”

    But the most striking part of the video is Mr. Romney’s characterization of nearly half of the country. His assessment of the “47 percent” echoes a line of conservative thinking that has been championed by his running mate, Representative Paul D. Ryan. Mr. Ryan has long argued that nearly half of the people in America are either “dependent” or “reliant” on the federal government.

    “A full 70 percent of Americans get more benefits in dollar value from the federal government than they pay back in taxes,” Mr. Ryan said in a speech at the American Enterprise Institute, according to The New Republic.

    Mr. Romney’s figure of 47 percent may come from the Tax Policy Center, which found that 46.4 percent of households paid no federal income tax in 2011. But most households did pay payroll taxes. Of the 18.1 percent of households that paid neither income taxes nor payroll taxes, the center
    found that more than half were elderly and more than a third were not elderly but had incomes under $20,000. Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the center, wrote in a blog post last summer that about half of those were off the rolls
    because they had low incomes.

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/romney-faults-those-dependent-on-government/?hp

     

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    Another shocking revelation.

     

    'I ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN REDISTRIBUTION'

     
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