Re: More Kerry flip flopping: Kerry was a fan of Assad just 2 years ago
posted at 9/3/2013 12:13 PM EDT
In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:
In response to DamainAllen's comment:
In response to StalkingButler's comment:
[QUOTE]because the previous admin cooked the books
Bing! Sorry, you just lost your credibility. There's a difference between getting incorrect (or dated) intelligence and running with it and "cooking the books." You can't be nuanced and diplomatic with the current administration while dropping all pretense of objectivity with the last one and not look like ACC.
And you don't want that.
Think for yourself, question authority.
Actually I can, because when the time came to assess our prewar intelligence versus what was found when were in there, the results came back as negative. Why is that? Was it a deliberate or was it just a huge, monumental screw up, that cost the US 10 years of war, thousands dead on our side, over 100,000 dead on the Iraqi side, destabilized the region leaving Iran as the strongest Arab power (one with an actual WMD program, BTW), and a couple trillion dollars? No, the previous admin doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because their error was big in scale that it can't simply be treated as inconsequential.
But the most important thing is that what happened then and what is happening now are not even close to being analagous if only for the fact that the president alledged WMD use, and we actually have concrete evidence that not only does the WMD 1) Exist but we also know Syria 2) used it, multiple times. Just on those two points your analogy goes from "strained" to "incomprehensible".
Apparently being wrong on vitually every justification for war, along with accruing 90% of the casualties to 'dend enders' after declaring mission accomplished is considered 'good leadership' to the wingnut faithful.
Well, if it is a comparativeyou are after, compare and contrast what Bush did with drawing a red line, then declaring you would respond with an attack, then indicating the attack wouldn't damage anything, declare you have sole authority to do this, then toss the ball to congress to tell you to do it.
Leadership, as I am sure you know, requires actually leading.