More People Losing coverage under Obamacare than acquiring coverage

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    You keep parroting this line about the individual plans being dropped because they don't meet the minimum requirements of Obamacare.  So, you think this is acceptable collatoral damage, to lose your coverage and be forced into a more expensive plan that doesn't meet the customer's requirement?


    You prove once again you don't know what you're talking about.

     

    Millions of people who are self-employed could not get insurance through the individual market.

    Now they can, thanks in part to the ACA.  

    Those who could get coverage in that market were paying for nominal coverage, at best.  No preventive care. No guaranteed issue. No community rating.

    Now they'll get better coverage for a little bit more money thanks to a definable standard of coverage throughout the market.

    And the more people who buy into that market, premiums will stabilize, and so will costs, necause the risk will be spread out, just like it is at comanies who buy into group plans.

     

     

     



    "Now they can, thanks in part to the ACA.  "

    But, sadly, they can't afford it.

    Open your eyes.  Obamacare isn't working.  We have been telling you this from the jump, and you said we were wrong.  now, it's not working, and you cling to the same old talking points which are not materializing.



    Since when do you care about what people can afford?  Your attitude has been that it's their problem, not yours or the govt's.  

    When the alternative is no insurance, the new plans are indeed more affordable.  Of course, it depends where you live, because some states don't care about covering their citizens and allowed the fed to do everything for them.

    You can't distinguish talking points from facts, because again, you're ignorant of how the law works.

    Obamacare has barely begun.  Even so, insurance companies have already changed their underwriting models in anticipation of reform, so the benefits of the law have already begun, and people like it.  Exchange plans don't take effect until Jan. 1, 2014.  Maybe after a year you can guess what's working or not.

    Even the repubs, in trying to repeal it, actually made the law MORE popular than ever.

    If anything, people are starting to understand how rigged the markets have been and how many people have been getting the shaft from the system.  

     

     

     
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    The old system was cleaner.


    "Cleaner", when you can ignore all of the people without coverage, who can't buy it, who get dropped or denied on a whim...?

    Sorry, those days are gone.  But you can dream....

     

     
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    Open your eyes.  Obamacare isn't working.




    How does a law that begins on January 1, 2014 fail to work on October 28, 2013?

     
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    Open your eyes.  Obamacare isn't working.




    How does a law that begins on January 1, 2014 fail to work on October 28, 2013?




     

    Kenyan muslims have mastered time travel.


    You think things are messed up now?

    One of these days they'll kill his grandma, before his mother was even born. Then we'll see about all this hopey-changey stuff.

     
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    The old system was cleaner.


    "Cleaner", when you can ignore all of the people without coverage, who can't buy it, who get dropped or denied on a whim...?

    Sorry, those days are gone.  But you can dream....

     



    More people will not have coverage now!!! That's the point, Its doesnt work.

    It was not thought out, planned or a well written bill turned law, and then too many waivers and special considerations were given to cronies and now the website doesnt work and most of the young that the system in dependent on will just say f-it!

     
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    The old system was cleaner.


    "Cleaner", when you can ignore all of the people without coverage, who can't buy it, who get dropped or denied on a whim...?

    Sorry, those days are gone.  But you can dream....

     



    More people will not have coverage now!!! That's the point, Its doesnt work.

    That's not the point, because it's not true.

    Say it with me now: 

    People could not buy insurance before because of pre-existing conditions.

    Now they can, ergo, more people will have insurance.

    In addition, people will be able to get subsidies to help them purchase private insurance on the expanded market, so more poor people will have coverage.

     

    All indicators point to MORE people with insurance, not less.

    And you still can't prove a negative.

     

     
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    Getting real tired of explaining a law that's been in the books for a couple of years now to people who have no idea how insurance works.

    It makes me wonder where the opponents are getting all of these crackpot ideas and nutball scenarios from.

    Or maybe they're just thinking about themselves and about preserving the privilege of health care coverage for the well-off only.

     

     

     

     
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    That's not the point, because it's not true.

    Say it with me now: 

    People could not buy insurance before because of pre-existing conditions.

    Now they can, ergo, more people will have insurance.

    In addition, people will be able to get subsidies to help them purchase private insurance on the expanded market, so more poor people will have coverage. 

    All indicators point to MORE people with insurance, not less.

    And you still can't prove a negative.

     




    I know for a fact people TODAY are losing insurance at a rate higher than those with the ability to sign up!

    People slightly above poverty (middle class) are finding their premium have sky rocketed

    Young healthy people are not signing up and those are needed for balance in the system!

     

     
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    Getting real tired of explaining a law that's been in the books for a couple of years now to people who have no idea how insurance works.

    It makes me wonder where the opponents are getting all of these crackpot ideas and nutball scenarios from.

    Or maybe they're just thinking about themselves and about preserving the privilege of health care coverage for the well-off only.




     

    They're ignoring reality because they are committed to Obama(care) being a failure.

     
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    You keep parroting this line about the individual plans being dropped because they don't meet the minimum requirements of Obamacare.  So, you think this is acceptable collatoral damage, to lose your coverage and be forced into a more expensive plan that doesn't meet the customer's requirement?


    You prove once again you don't know what you're talking about.

     

    Millions of people who are self-employed could not get insurance through the individual market.

    Now they can, thanks in part to the ACA.  

    Those who could get coverage in that market were paying for nominal coverage, at best.  No preventive care. No guaranteed issue. No community rating.

    Now they'll get better coverage for a little bit more money thanks to a definable standard of coverage throughout the market.

    And the more people who buy into that market, premiums will stabilize, and so will costs, necause the risk will be spread out, just like it is at comanies who buy into group plans.

     

     

     



    "Now they can, thanks in part to the ACA.  "

    But, sadly, they can't afford it.

    Open your eyes.  Obamacare isn't working.  We have been telling you this from the jump, and you said we were wrong.  now, it's not working, and you cling to the same old talking points which are not materializing.



    What specficially (besides the web site) isn't working in regards to ACA? 



    Most people are losing their current coverage, and being forced to pay for plans with coverage not desired at a much higher cost.  

    I call that not working.

     
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    Obamacare, is just a socialst dre-distribution scheme

     

     

     

    Money and b!tches for all his dawgs?

     

     

    This is getting stranger all the time.



    Oh snap. A typo.  I guess that changes everything.  

     
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    You keep parroting this line about the individual plans being dropped because they don't meet the minimum requirements of Obamacare.  So, you think this is acceptable collatoral damage, to lose your coverage and be forced into a more expensive plan that doesn't meet the customer's requirement?


    You prove once again you don't know what you're talking about.

     

    Millions of people who are self-employed could not get insurance through the individual market.

    Now they can, thanks in part to the ACA.  

    Those who could get coverage in that market were paying for nominal coverage, at best.  No preventive care. No guaranteed issue. No community rating.

    Now they'll get better coverage for a little bit more money thanks to a definable standard of coverage throughout the market.

    And the more people who buy into that market, premiums will stabilize, and so will costs, necause the risk will be spread out, just like it is at comanies who buy into group plans.

     

     

     



    "Now they can, thanks in part to the ACA.  "

    But, sadly, they can't afford it.

    Open your eyes.  Obamacare isn't working.  We have been telling you this from the jump, and you said we were wrong.  now, it's not working, and you cling to the same old talking points which are not materializing.



    Since when do you care about what people can afford?  Your attitude has been that it's their problem, not yours or the govt's.  

    When the alternative is no insurance, the new plans are indeed more affordable.  Of course, it depends where you live, because some states don't care about covering their citizens and allowed the fed to do everything for them.

    You can't distinguish talking points from facts, because again, you're ignorant of how the law works.

    Obamacare has barely begun.  Even so, insurance companies have already changed their underwriting models in anticipation of reform, so the benefits of the law have already begun, and people like it.  Exchange plans don't take effect until Jan. 1, 2014.  Maybe after a year you can guess what's working or not.

    Even the repubs, in trying to repeal it, actually made the law MORE popular than ever.

    If anything, people are starting to understand how rigged the markets have been and how many people have been getting the shaft from the system.  

     

     



    You are in complete denial.

     
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    Getting real tired of explaining a law that's been in the books for a couple of years now to people who have no idea how insurance works.

    It makes me wonder where the opponents are getting all of these crackpot ideas and nutball scenarios from.

    Or maybe they're just thinking about themselves and about preserving the privilege of health care coverage for the well-off only.

     




     

     

    They're ignoring reality because they are committed to Obama(care) being a failure.



    It is a failure.  You can't keep your coverage if you like it, and, for most people, it is way more expensive.

    Considering that was the promise, it is a complete failure.

     
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    Oh snap. A typo.  I guess that changes everything.


    I was trying to eek a tiny bit of humor out of yet another worthlessly stupid one-liner trolling attempt from you ...      sheesh

     
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    You keep parroting this line about the individual plans being dropped because they don't meet the minimum requirements of Obamacare.  So, you think this is acceptable collatoral damage, to lose your coverage and be forced into a more expensive plan that doesn't meet the customer's requirement?


    You prove once again you don't know what you're talking about.

     

    Millions of people who are self-employed could not get insurance through the individual market.

    Now they can, thanks in part to the ACA.  

    Those who could get coverage in that market were paying for nominal coverage, at best.  No preventive care. No guaranteed issue. No community rating.

    Now they'll get better coverage for a little bit more money thanks to a definable standard of coverage throughout the market.

    And the more people who buy into that market, premiums will stabilize, and so will costs, necause the risk will be spread out, just like it is at comanies who buy into group plans.

     

     

     



    "Now they can, thanks in part to the ACA.  "

    But, sadly, they can't afford it.

    Open your eyes.  Obamacare isn't working.  We have been telling you this from the jump, and you said we were wrong.  now, it's not working, and you cling to the same old talking points which are not materializing.



    What specficially (besides the web site) isn't working in regards to ACA? 



    Most people are losing their current coverage, and being forced to pay for plans with coverage not desired at a much higher cost.  

    I call that not working.



     Most? I assume you have factual data backing this up? Can you share? Thanks 

     
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    Getting real tired of explaining a law that's been in the books for a couple of years now to people who have no idea how insurance works.

    It makes me wonder where the opponents are getting all of these crackpot ideas and nutball scenarios from.

    Or maybe they're just thinking about themselves and about preserving the privilege of health care coverage for the well-off only.

     




     

     

    They're ignoring reality because they are committed to Obama(care) being a failure.



    It is a failure.  You can't keep your coverage if you like it, and, for most people, it is way more expensive.

    Considering that was the promise, it is a complete failure.



    Um...I like my coverage AND I get to keep it

     
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    700,000 people now covered thanks to Obamacare

     

    LOWER COSTS


    MORE LIVES SAVED!

     
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    Oh snap. A typo.  I guess that changes everything.


    I was trying to eek a tiny bit of humor out of yet another worthlessly stupid one-liner trolling attempt from you ...      sheesh

     



    Sheesh back at you.  It is too hard to see when you are trying to be funny. I'll lighten up if you will.

     
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    700,000 people now covered thanks to Obamacare

     

    LOWER COSTS


    MORE LIVES SAVED!



    Lower costs? In what way? And how do you know those 700,000 were people who were in danger of dying but now as a result of just signing up for coverage their lives are now saved? Bit of hyperbole maybe???

     
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    You keep parroting this line about the individual plans being dropped because they don't meet the minimum requirements of Obamacare.  So, you think this is acceptable collatoral damage, to lose your coverage and be forced into a more expensive plan that doesn't meet the customer's requirement?


    You prove once again you don't know what you're talking about.

     

    Millions of people who are self-employed could not get insurance through the individual market.

    Now they can, thanks in part to the ACA.  

    Those who could get coverage in that market were paying for nominal coverage, at best.  No preventive care. No guaranteed issue. No community rating.

    Now they'll get better coverage for a little bit more money thanks to a definable standard of coverage throughout the market.

    And the more people who buy into that market, premiums will stabilize, and so will costs, necause the risk will be spread out, just like it is at comanies who buy into group plans.

     

     

     



    "Now they can, thanks in part to the ACA.  "

    But, sadly, they can't afford it.

    Open your eyes.  Obamacare isn't working.  We have been telling you this from the jump, and you said we were wrong.  now, it's not working, and you cling to the same old talking points which are not materializing.



    What specficially (besides the web site) isn't working in regards to ACA? 



    Most people are losing their current coverage, and being forced to pay for plans with coverage not desired at a much higher cost.  

    I call that not working.



     Most? I assume you have factual data backing this up? Can you share? Thanks 



    Here's a link. I put the link to that the WH knew, as that is more relevant, but there is an estimate in there. 

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/10/28/affordable-care-act-cancellations/3293001/

    additionally, there are reports of cancellations rolling in, over a million so far, with an expectation of somewhere around 75% of these individual plans will be cancelled.

    not only is it a failure, but Obama lied about it. The facts show he knew.

     
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    Getting real tired of explaining a law that's been in the books for a couple of years now to people who have no idea how insurance works.

    It makes me wonder where the opponents are getting all of these crackpot ideas and nutball scenarios from.

    Or maybe they're just thinking about themselves and about preserving the privilege of health care coverage for the well-off only.

     




     

     

    They're ignoring reality because they are committed to Obama(care) being a failure.



    It is a failure.  You can't keep your coverage if you like it, and, for most people, it is way more expensive.

    Considering that was the promise, it is a complete failure.



    Um...I like my coverage AND I get to keep it

    Good for you. About 15 million of your fellow citizens are being forced out of their plans due to Obamacare, and forced into more expensive plans with coverage not wanted.


    So, the 15 to 18 million that are losing their plan, an acceptable sacrifice on the altar of this forced march to single payer?

    is it acceptable collateral damage?

    this is just the start of the damage that is being caused by this malformed, misunderstood, and sinister legislation.

     
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    700,000 people now covered thanks to Obamacare

     

    LOWER COSTS


    MORE LIVES SAVED!



    Wrong on the facts. That's the number of accounts, not enrollees.  Enrollees estimates have not been made public.  Best guesses seem to be in the 5 to 10 thousand range.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2013/10/14/how-many-people-have-enrolled-in-obamacare-an-early-look/

    Wrong on the costs, most plans have gone up.

    an unqualified statement. How has Obamacare saved lives?

    stop parroting the union talking point.  Heck, unions are exempt.

     
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    Getting real tired of explaining a law that's been in the books for a couple of years now to people who have no idea how insurance works.

    It makes me wonder where the opponents are getting all of these crackpot ideas and nutball scenarios from.

    Or maybe they're just thinking about themselves and about preserving the privilege of health care coverage for the well-off only.

     




     

     

    They're ignoring reality because they are committed to Obama(care) being a failure.



    It is a failure.  You can't keep your coverage if you like it, and, for most people, it is way more expensive.

    Considering that was the promise, it is a complete failure.



    Um...I like my coverage AND I get to keep it

    Good for you. About 15 million of your fellow citizens are being forced out of their plans due to Obamacare, and forced into more expensive plans with coverage not wanted.

    So you think people don't want unlimited coverage? Really? That's a bad thing is it? People don't want to have insurance that they CAN'T be dropped from if they get sick and run up high claims? Really? Not being able to be dropped by insurer is a bad thing?


    So, the 15 to 18 million that are losing their plan, an acceptable sacrifice on the altar of this forced march to single payer?

    I've been vocal about NOT going to single payer. That would be a disaster. We aren't there and there is no evidence we'll be going there anytime soon.

    is it acceptable collateral damage?

    this is just the start of the damage that is being caused by this malformed, misunderstood, and sinister legislation.




     
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    Those getting the cancellation letters are often shocked and unhappy.

    George Schwab, 62, of North Carolina, said he was "perfectly happy" with his plan from Blue Cross Blue Shield, which also insured his wife for a $228 monthly premium. But this past September, he was surprised to receive a letter saying his policy was no longer available. The "comparable" plan the insurance company offered him carried a $1,208 monthly premium and a $5,500 deductible.

    And the best option he’s found on the exchange so far offered a 415 percent jump in premium, to $948 a month.

    "The deductible is less," he said, "But the plan doesn't meet my needs. Its unaffordable."

    "I'm sitting here looking at this, thinking we ought to just pay the fine and just get insurance when we're sick," Schwab added. "Everybody's worried about whether the website works or not, but that's fixable. That's just the tip of the iceberg. This stuff isn't fixable."

    Heather Goldwater, 38, of South Carolina, is raising a new baby while running her own PR firm. She said she received a letter last July from Cigna, her insurance company, that said the company would no longer offer her individual plan, and promised to send a letter by October offering a comparable option. So far, she hasn't received anything.

    "I'm completely overwhelmed with a six-month-old and a business,” said Goldwater. “The last thing I can do is spend hours poring over a website that isn't working, trying to wrap my head around this entire health care overhaul."

    Goldwater said she supports the new law and is grateful for provisions helping folks like her with pre-existing conditions, but she worries she won’t be able to afford the new insurance, which is expected to cost more because it has more benefits. "I'm jealous of people who have really good health insurance," she said. "It's people like me who are stuck in the middle who are going to get screwed."

     
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    Resolved: Those unsophisticated Tea Party rubes had Obamacare figured out from the start while our gullible elites fell for it.

     
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