NBC's Andrea Mitchell: Trust Obama, He's Going to Bomb Syria 'From A Very Cautious Anti-War Perspective'

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    I dont know who it was that set off the chemical attack

     



    And yet you keep saying or implying that it was the rebels. Right.

    As always, the best advice is for you to shut your mouth and take a good long look in the mirror.

     

    I don't know who did it and that's why I don't pretend to know. Unlike you.



    lol, try to keep up and not get so emotional.

     

    I have asked the question "who benefits the most from the US blaming and bombing assad"?

    That is clearly the rebels and sunnis suporters.

    That is not an implication it is a matter of fact.

    Maybe assad is so stupid he said "you know what; we are doing well against the rebels but, if we set off a chemical weapon and get the US to bomb us and possibly shift the momentum to the rebels that will make it much more interesting" yea lets do that!!

     

     



     

    Or maybe Assad is more desparate than we think.

    Or maybe Assad thought he could keep it quiet long enough to prevent us from determining whether they were used or who used them.

    Or maybe Assad was gambling that we wouldn't intervene.

    Or maybe some hot-head military official gave the order without Assad's knowledge.

    Or maybe the Al Queda branch of the rebels did it to implicate Assad because they just don't give a ____, but the other rebels don't know about it.

    Who knows?

     

     

    No matter what, I will say again: Before we do anything, we need to do what I know we won't do.....

    ...which is to make some serious decisions about what lines there should be.

     

     

    Is it worth it in blood and treasure to have an absolute rule about use of WMDs?

    Do we want to start down the slope of requiring a certain body count before responding to use of WMDs?

    Do we want distinctions between use against citizens vs. use against rebels vs. use against another country in a hot war?

     

    Etc.

     

    Either way, if we strike and it turns out the rebels did it, Obama will have messed up as bad as Bush - the only plus being that the consequences are likely to be far less expensive in blood and treasure.

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    I agree with you first part about we do not know who did it.

    So, if we bomb assad's people and they did not actually do it??? that seems very detrimental to us and vwery useful to the actual perpetrators.

    I do not put anything past alqeida type islamic terrorist including bombing their own people to get a response.

     
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    I believe, for better of worse, that as the strongest military in the world the US has assumed the role, if not explicity then implicitly, of enforcing international law. As signatories to those treaties we have pledged to uphold them.

    The huge military capabilities that we have developed goes far beyond what we would need for just our own national defense. It also allows for a wide range of responses, in proportion to any breach of those treaties.

    In the case of Syria, we have the ability to utilize our stand-off capabilities without having boots on the ground which allows for limited responses to what appears to be limited use of chemical weapons.

     I think a much more pressing concern is the unpredictable consequences of a prolonged strike that would topple Assad and the fact that neither side in the conflict can be considered pro-West.

    Sen McCain is adamant that the Syrian rebels are people we can deal with and we should help them topple Assad.

    Others say that they are al Queda rebels and terrorists.

     



    When you do not know what happened or the who the biggest threat is from; you should stay out of it militarily until you do!

     

     
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    Thats an excellent example of the hypocricy

     
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    Well if you won't pipe up, I will: Anyone who supported Bush's war in Iraq when Bush said there were WMDs (and there weren't) is a massive hypocrite if they don't support a limit strike in Syria when WMDs were used and Obama says Assad did it.

    lol, I supported the war because saddam was shooting at our soldiers flying planes in the no fly zone, was firing scud missles into israel and ignored 16 UN resolutions along with his desire for WMD program which he maintained the capability oif quick restart as the wikileaked documents show and we now know.

     

    But somehow, I think tvoter and CLC are ignoring those - the real hypocrites - to titter about libruls.

    Hypocrites are those from the left that protested and screamed about war until the POTUS had a D behind his name and now boom escalation in afagan and not a peep, go into libya and not a peep, now into syria and not a peep.

    why is the media not putting cindy sheehan or another stooge on the news every night anyomore???

    That is hypocricy!

     




     

     
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    skeeter when you travel down memory lane ... it's only a selective memory lane for you ..... are you talking about the oil company that bin Laden half brother invested $50,000 in and are you talking about the baseball team that had a new stadium built on land that was acquired by eminent domain and built with taxpayers money ... is that what you are talking about

     




    The point, other than the one on top of your head, is travelling down memory lane isn't helping us with the current situation.

     

    Running a baseball team beats selling your family cookie recipes by a country mile, but both have spent most of their lives drinking at the public trough.    The gold-plated trough, not the old wooden one you drink out of.

    You won't see me defending Bush other than that he seemed to be a decent person.  He was a disaster of a president.

    But, I guess oyu think going back into the archives justifies this completely insane box Obama has painted us all into.

     

     




    Obama has painted us into a box .... how ? I want to you to explain that statement ...... Hey Mr Wizard if don't we don't learn from history and respect it we will be bound to repeat it ..... America is expected to do what is right .... which is to punish Assad and expedite his downfall from within ...... btw don't come back about what Russia and China will do .... they ain't going to do nothing ...... all they are going to do is whine .

     

     

    dubya was a decent person ... "HA".... explain that statement to 4,600 KIA and 30,000 WIA American Service members families and the untold wounded or killed Iraqis families and explain why we went to war over lies

     

     

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    two words for you:

     

    "red line"

    We went to war over lies?  When?

    Stop being such a sanctimonious blank.  You are in denial, and without facts.

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    skeeter ... the red line that you speak of is a international agreement which outlaws the use , production and the stock piling of chemical weapons ...

    skeeter ... dubya wanted to attack Iraq days after 9/11 .. ... in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq the dubya's administration made it's case for war by presenting intelligence that was unsubstantiated , contradicted or non existent in other words they lied about how great of a threat that Iraq really was ....

     
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    [QUOTE]Obama has painted us into a box .... how ?

     

     

     

    He said that the use of WMD by the Syrian regime was a red line that, if crossed, would provoke an American military response.

    It was a really dumb thing to say on a lot of levels but mostly because now he has to act or look weak. As I read somewhere, it's like he's playing checkers while everyone else is playing 3-dimentional chess.

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    Think for yourself, question authority.

     

     



    ^^^^ that was when Obama basically said if, you want the US to take action in syria; set off a chemical attack and blame assad!

     

     

    where did that come from

     
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    Obama has painted us into a box .... how ?

     

     

    He said that the use of WMD by the Syrian regime was a red line that, if crossed, would provoke an American military response.

    It was a really dumb thing to say on a lot of levels but mostly because now he has to act or look weak. As I read somewhere, it's like he's playing checkers while everyone else is playing 3-dimentional chess.

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    are you implying that he has to act now because of his own selfish reasons and not because a chemical attack is a war crime and is outlawed by an international agreement .... I grant you being killed by a conventional weapon or an unconventional weapon produces the same results ..  dead is dead

     
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    Obama is pursuing a policy of regime change and nation building

     




     

    You tripped out of the gate. Try again.

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    Really? What did he do in Egypt? What did he do in Libya?

     

     
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    Thats an excellent example of the hypocricy

     

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    Reminds me of the human shields who went to Bagdahd.  They were, like, all shocked and stuff, that the military dropped the bombs, even though they were there, speaking truth to power.

     
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    Hypocrites are those from the left that protested and screamed about war until the POTUS had a D behind his name and now boom escalation in afagan and not a peep, go into libya and not a peep, now into syria and not a peep.

     



    To your mind, it doesn't matter what the basesof "those" who are doing the protesting and screaming?

     

    How many of them are you able to identify anyway?

    If you take BDC as an example, you don't have anything like a consensus between those you consider liberal, and those who do support the strike have staked out a reasoned position.

    Hint: The two major differences between Syria and Iraq are:

    1. One of them used a WMD immediately before intervention was being discussed.

    which one do we know used WMD's?

    If some goes to a country and sets off a bomb do we say that country set off a bomb?

    Im not saying that is what happened but, it sounds to me a lot more like something an alqeida type fighter would do opposed to a govt.

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