Re: Nobel Prize winner resigns over description of global warming being caused by man is incontrovertible!!
posted at 9/23/2011 12:37 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Nobel Prize winner resigns over description of global warming being caused by man is incontrovertible!!
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nobel Prize winner resigns over description of global warming being caused by man is incontrovertible!! : But that supports what we're saying about global warming. If those results hold, that is one set of scientists using one of two means to pull the rug out of established and accepted theory. In peer reviewed experiments. That's completely different from some politician calling 98% of scientists in the field liars who are committing fraud for funding, nevermind the coal dust wafting from the utter b*stard's pockets. And it's also completely different from some self-identified conservative popping on BDC and insisting that because he personally doubts man is causing global warming based on seven years of cool temperatures. The problem in the global warming debate is that the underlying theory has not been disproven, and the facts are still to be coming in for some time. They appear to have convinced 98% of scientists in the field that man is most likely causing some warming through emissions; there are disputes about how much warming; there are disputes about what its effects will be. That's not a dispute about the fundamentals. If the 2% dissenters want to be vindicated they need to either accumulate a lot more data, come up with a compelling reinterpretation of data, or pull the rug out from under some fundamental aspect of the theory. Sort of like how these people said "hey, um, we think we might have just broken special relativity; please try this at home and confirm whether or not we screwed up" THAT hasn't happened yet, and THAT is why it's dangerous to listen to the absolute deniers. The whole point is that the serious warming is just barely getting started, and we can't very well wait 50 years and see. Because if 98% of scientists in the field are right, it will be too late to reverse at that point. It won't matter if we stop all emissions. I'd rather not completely screw over my children, even if I may not be here to see it.
Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]
Excellent and very revelant points all around. I was simply pointing out that stating "it's settled science, everyone agrees with it" isn't necessarily a valid enough answer if it turns out that one of the cornerstones of physics for the past century is turned on its head
Having said that I agree that we need to heed the advice of our best and brightest, but we need to take into account that while 98% agrees man has an impact on climate, they can't quantify that impact. I think this helps fuel skepticsm from those middle of the road folks that are on the fence (the hard-core skeptics are a lost cause, true of any fringe group of deniers), we're told that its a certainity but we can't back it up with anything more concrete.
Without that knowledge, I think we need to tread lightly on what to/not to do and how it'll impact what is looking to be a fragile economy. Too draconian an plan that more of the extreme MMGW believers would propose could be devastating, and to quote your close "I'd rather not completely screw over my children, even if I may not be here to see it" if our impact turns out to be insignifican