Obama admin. knew about WWII veterans’ request and rejected it

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    Obama admin. knew about WWII veterans’ request and rejected it

    The White House and the Department of the Interior rejected a request from Rep. Steven Palazzo’s office to have World War II veterans visit the World War II memorial in Washington, the Mississippi Republican told The Daily Caller Tuesday.

    Palazzo helped the veterans commit an act of civil disobedience against the Park Service Tuesday, when the heroes stormed through barricades around the closed memorial. The veterans were visiting the memorial as part of Honor Flight, a non-profit that provides veterans free transport to the nation’s capital to visit the memorials to the wars they fought in.



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    Likely a staged PR event; so they could betray it as mean ole repubs kicking out of hero's!

    Typical politics over substance

     
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    Re: Obama admin. knew about WWII veterans’ request and rejected it

    The request came in on Tuesday from Rep Palazzo, who though taking actions himself to ensure the goivernment would shutdown, doesn't apparently understand the ramifications of what a government shutdown entails.  Since the area is a national park, no workers were on site to maintain the area, there was no running water, no bathrooms, etc.  This insignificant "pin prick" of a shutdown, as Sarah Palin called it, has real consequences and the GOP doesn't get to pick who gets to skirt by jkust so they can have a photo op.  

     
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    The request came in on Tuesday from Rep Palazzo, who though taking actions himself to ensure the goivernment would shutdown, doesn't apparently understand the ramifications of what a government shutdown entails.  Since the area is a national park, no workers were on site to maintain the area, there was no running water, no bathrooms, etc.  This insignificant "pin prick" of a shutdown, as Sarah Palin called it, has real consequences and the GOP doesn't get to pick who gets to skirt by jkust so they can have a photo op.  



    Yah, I would say the preprinted closure signs and the assigning of guards to that monument in particular tells you all you need to know about who was driving this as a PR event:  Obama.

    But, the problem with the shutdown is larger than this, despite Obama trying to rattle everyone's cage by making the shutdown as painful as possible (gee, where has he done this before?  the sequester?)

    The problem is that we are borrowing 40 cents on every dollar spent. We have been doing so for five years, and apparently will continue to do so until people stop loaning us money.

    Obamacare is just onne straw on this camel's back.  Without getting into the merits/problems, the real problem is that we can't pay for this stuff.  People have got to wake up to this fundamental truth.

     
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    Re: Obama admin. knew about WWII veterans’ request and rejected it

    Damain,

    The WWII memorial is an open air park with a huge wide open entrance. That means that they had to go out of their way to set up barriers to prevent a bunch of octogenarian WWII veterans from visiting a park set up in their honor.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20121108195139/http://www.nps.gov/wwii/planyourvisit/hours.htm

    The public may visit the World War II Memorial 24 hours a day. Rangers are on duty to answer questions from 9:30 a.m. to 11:30 p.m. daily and to provide interpretive programs every hour on the hour from 10:00 a.m. until 11:00 p.m.

    The only consequence should have been no Rangers to answer questions or perform their interpretive dances.

     

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    In response to tvoter's comment:


    Likely a staged PR event




     

    Has anyone looked into why a large group of Octagenarian veterans picked the day of the shutdown in particular to visit the memorial?

    Who'd been talking to them?

     
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    Damain,

    The WWII memorial is an open air park with a huge wide open entrance. That means that they had to go out of their way to set up barriers to prevent a bunch of octogenarian WWII veterans from visiting a park set up in their honor.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20121108195139/http://www.nps.gov/wwii/planyourvisit/hours.htm

    The public may visit the World War II Memorial 24 hours a day. Rangers are on duty to answer questions from 9:30 a.m. to 11:30 p.m. daily and to provide interpretive programs every hour on the hour from 10:00 a.m. until 11:00 p.m.

    The only consequence should have been no Rangers to answer questions or perform their interpretive dances.

     

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    There have been numerous reports of the Obama Administration trying to make this more difficult then what a partial shutdown is.

    As stated above the Mall and memorial is an open air plaza that is monitored by HSA cameras.  The government spent more money to barricade it off versus just posting a sign that due to shuut down theier are no park guides to answer questions.

    National Zoo, went to the effort of turning off the Panda Cam which is completely sponsored by Ford Corporation; turning it off was extra work.

    I listened to WGBH Radio yesterday afternoon interview a US Park Ranger who along with another had been deployed to Fanuiel Hall to pick up the kiosk display of walking maps associated with the Freedom Trail.  Once again they spent money to remove the display and maps when all they should have done was place a sign that due to the partial shutdown of the government that there would be no Park Rangers to answer questions and that specific federal sites were closed.

    But no the government spent extra money to make the shutdown more difficult.

     
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    Re: Obama admin. knew about WWII veterans’ request and rejected it

    In response to NowWhatDoYouWant's comment:

    In response to tvoter's comment:

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    Likely a staged PR event

     




     

     

    Has anyone looked into why a large group of Octagenarian veterans picked the day of the shutdown in particular to visit the memorial?

    Who'd been talking to them?

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    I read that they were on a Seniors trip from Miss or LA, planned well in advance.

     
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    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

    In response to NowWhatDoYouWant's comment:

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    Likely a staged PR event

     

     




     

     

     

    Has anyone looked into why a large group of Octagenarian veterans picked the day of the shutdown in particular to visit the memorial?

    Who'd been talking to them?

     

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    I read that they were on a Seniors trip from Miss or LA, planned well in advance.

     

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    You are right.  It has become quite a thing, these trips.  They are fairly expensive, privately funded (I think) and focus on giving WW2 vets a chance to see the monument before they pass on.

    There are also trips to the Vietnam War Memorial, though many of those veterans are still more mobile than the WW2 vets.  Fewer of these true heroes every day.

    In the very least, Obama and the progressives here are showing a tin ear to our vets.

     

     
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    Damain,

    The WWII memorial is an open air park with a huge wide open entrance. That means that they had to go out of their way to set up barriers to prevent a bunch of octogenarian WWII veterans from visiting a park set up in their honor.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20121108195139/http://www.nps.gov/wwii/planyourvisit/hours.htm

    The public may visit the World War II Memorial 24 hours a day. Rangers are on duty to answer questions from 9:30 a.m. to 11:30 p.m. daily and to provide interpretive programs every hour on the hour from 10:00 a.m. until 11:00 p.m.

    The only consequence should have been no Rangers to answer questions or perform their interpretive dances.

     

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    Think for yourself, question authority.

     



    Every federally funded department had to go through great lengths to prepare for the shutdown, those preparations began a couple weeks ago as department mangers were instructed to indentify staff that could be furloughed and to implement shut down plans.  That the park is open air is significant in what way?  All outdoor parks are open air.  They still have to be maintained as people require access to water fountains, bathrooms (which have to be cleaned and restocked), the park grounds have to be cleaned, trash disposed of, and maintained, hence why they have funding in the first place.  

     

    Again, these heart tugging emotional instances of the effects of the shutdown could have easily been contemplated and dealt with by the congresscritters who instead chose to make their last stand to derail ACA by shutting down the government on 9/30 - despite the fact that Obamacare was going live the 10/1.  40+ attempts have been made despite the reaffirmed legal standing of the law.  These vets are just pawns so that craven sacks of flesh like Louie Goehmert, Michelle Bachman, Steve Palazzo, and Steve King can get some nice photo ops to send home to distract their constituents from looking too closely at their abdication of their congressional duties to fight a political battle with no chance of being won, and to do so on the backs of the very Americans they claim to represent.  

    So lets not argue the common sense involved with letting some 80 and 90 year old vets into an open air park, when the very congress that funds the park couldn't see past their own noses and acknowledge what was plainly clear - that the battle for ACA was won and thowing a legislative temper tantrum won't change that.  That's the real common sense argument that should have been made.  

     
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    Re: Obama admin. knew about WWII veterans’ request and rejected it

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

     the Obama Administration trying to make this more difficult



    In the words of a younger generation, "like, oh my GOD!"

     

     

    Let's see. Dems are so evil that it doesn't matter what the GOP does to fight Dems, as long as they're fighting them. And Dems are so very evil that no matter what the GOP does to fight the Dems, it's still the Dems fault, because the Dems made the GOP fight them.

    Moreover, Dems are so evil that its the Dems fault for not making the damage the GOP is deliberately causing in order to fight the Dems.....    

    ...less damaging

     

     

     

     

     
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    I read that they were on a Seniors trip from Miss or LA, planned well in advance.



    Allright, and people are having to cancel their trips to all the national parks. States are losing millions by the day in tourism dollars.


    Is that Obama's fault too?

     
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    All outdoor parks are open air.  They stilkl have to be maintained as people require access to water fountains, bathrooms (which have to be cleaned and restocked), the park grounds have to be cleaned, trash disposed of, and maintained, hence why they have funding in the first place. 




     
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    They still have to be maintained as people require access to water fountains, bathrooms (which have to be cleaned and restocked), the park grounds have to be cleaned, trash disposed of, and maintained, hence why they have funding in the first place.

    I think that this bunch of veterans of some of the most unbelievabley brutal warfare in history would find a way to manage without water fountains.

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    In response to NowWhatDoYouWant's comment:

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

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     the Obama Administration trying to make this more difficult

     



     

    In the words of a younger generation, "like, oh my GOD!"

     

     

    Let's see. Dems are so evil that it doesn't matter what the GOP does to fight Dems, as long as they're fighting them. And Dems are so very evil that no matter what the GOP does to fight the Dems, it's still the Dems fault, because the Dems made the GOP fight them.

    Moreover, Dems are so evil that its the Dems fault for not making the damage the GOP is deliberately causing in order to fight the Dems.....    

    ...less damaging

     

     

     

     

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    You do understand the point I've made on a number of posts over the last 24 hrs; its just that they are an inconvenient truth.

     

    It's one thing to shut down nonesential operations; park guides aren't at work, bathrooms are locked because they can't be cleaned, access to our large Federal Parks are closed because Rangers can't patrol them.

    But there is no freakn reason to place barriers around the freakin Washington Mall and WWII memorial open air parks and others, as they are moitored by HSA and that continues when they are opened and closed.

    Just like turning off the Panda Cam, more effort to turn it off vs. letting it run. 

    Just like removing Fredom Trail Map pamplets vs. just not refilling them.

     
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    Re: Obama admin. knew about WWII veterans’ request and rejected it

    Why is it always so personal with you people...?!

     

     
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    Well I can't speak for them, but I see a vast gulf of difference between a difference of opinion on proper policy, and an outright lie about what is in fact going on under our noses.

    A lie is an insult to all towards whom it is directed. A lie expresses contempt: you are not worth of fair dealing, you are not worthy to be treated on equal footing with me.

     

     

     

    The GOP forced a shutdown to cause pain, to try to force Dems to repeal or defund Obamacare. Any soft retreat from that has no bearing on what in fact alraedy happened in reality.

    To blame Obama or Democrats for the shutdown or its effects is to express contempt for all listeners.

     

     

     

    Sort of like deliberately negotiating a sequester designed to hurt with the claimed intent to renegotiate it once the crisis passed, then not renegotiating it, then blaming Obama for not making the sequester hurt less than was intended.

    Whatever.

     
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    Re: Obama admin. knew about WWII veterans’ request and rejected it

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    Why is it always so personal with you people...?!

     



    "All politics is local" ............T.O.

     
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    Wow, Obama must be the most engaged leader in the history of the country if he's directing the removal of pamphlets in Beantown.


    He's the most competent mastermind in history, but only when he's doing something they disapprove of.

     
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    Re: Obama admin. knew about WWII veterans’ request and rejected it

    Can you just imagine what the headlines would be if, tomorrow, a group of poor single mothers who just lost their WIC benefits stormed the local supermarket looking to feed their kids?

    It's amazing the things we are talking about. So..congress voted to shut the government down..and somehow the consequences of that are Obama's fault? That is some strange and distorted logic.

    "It is not down in any map...trueplaces never are...." ( Melville)

     
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    Why is it always so personal with you people...?!

     

     



    "All politics is local" ............T.O.

     

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    I said personal, not local.

     

    Y'all take this stuff way too personally.  The character attacks have to stop.

     

     

     
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    Re: Obama admin. knew about WWII veterans’ request and rejected it

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    I read that they were on a Seniors trip from Miss or LA, planned well in advance.

     

     



    Allright, and people are having to cancel their trips to all the national parks. States are losing millions by the day in tourism dollars.

     


    Is that Obama's fault too?

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    Yes.

     
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    Re: Obama admin. knew about WWII veterans’ request and rejected it

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    Why is it always so personal with you people...?!

     




    Because, unlike you, we are not communitarians and beleive in individual rights and responsibilities.

    Why is it always personal?  Why don't you hunt down the closest WW2 vet and tell him that he really didn't put his life at risk or possibly suffer the brutality of watching his friends dies around him.  He could have really suffered a worse fate, having to listen to a loser like you with no sense of honor.

     
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     the Obama Administration trying to make this more difficult

     

     

     



     

     

     

    In the words of a younger generation, "like, oh my GOD!"

     

     

    Let's see. Dems are so evil that it doesn't matter what the GOP does to fight Dems, as long as they're fighting them. And Dems are so very evil that no matter what the GOP does to fight the Dems, it's still the Dems fault, because the Dems made the GOP fight them.

    Moreover, Dems are so evil that its the Dems fault for not making the damage the GOP is deliberately causing in order to fight the Dems.....    

    ...less damaging

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    You do understand the point I've made on a number of posts over the last 24 hrs; its just that they are an inconvenient truth.

     

     

     

    It's one thing to shut down nonesential operations; park guides aren't at work, bathrooms are locked because they can't be cleaned, access to our large Federal Parks are closed because Rangers can't patrol them.

    But there is no freakn reason to place barriers around the freakin Washington Mall and WWII memorial open air parks and others, as they are moitored by HSA and that continues when they are opened and closed.

    Just like turning off the Panda Cam, more effort to turn it off vs. letting it run. 

    Just like removing Fredom Trail Map pamplets vs. just not refilling them.

     

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     Wow, Obama must be the most engaged leader in the history of the country if he's directing the removal of pamphlets in Beantown.

     

    The truth is that these contigency plans are holdovers the last time the wingnuts shut down gov't in 96.

    But hey, if you need to tell yourselves that Obama is such a micro-manager that he is personally overseeing every aspect of this shutdown then you also have to admit that he is the most involved leader the country has ever seen.

     

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    Right.  All those "WE CLOSED" posters have been in storage for 18 years.

     

    You really are stupid, aren't you?

     

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