Obama falsely claims credit for America's energy boom

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    Obama falsely claims credit for America's energy boom

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/editorial-obama-falsely-claims-credit-for-americas-energy-boom/article/2524616

    During the Friday event at which President Obama announced $2 billion in new green energy subsidies, he erroneously credited his administration's "all of the above" energy policy for the nation's increased oil and gas production. "We produce more oil than we have in 15 years," he said. "We import less oil than we have in 20 years. We're producing more natural gas than we ever have before -- with hundreds of thousands of good jobs to show for it."

    The numbers and facts that Obama cited were all correct. But his claim is still false, unless he can somehow claim credit (and we wouldn't necessarily put it past him) for placing massive shale deposits below ground stretching from Texas to North Dakota and from the mountain West to western Maryland.

    Between fiscal 2010 and 2012, total U.S. oil production rose by about 1.1 million barrels per day. U.S. production will likely eclipse that of Saudi Arabia by the end of the decade. Natural gas production is an even bigger story. It rose by 20 percent during the same period, driving down prices and revolutionizing the way Americans generate their electricity. This all comes thanks to advances in technology and hydraulic fracturing techniques.

    Obama's energy policy has done nothing positive for the current boom in the "unconventional" (shale and tar sands) oil and gas extraction industry -- a boom that has providentially boosted employment, improved the nation's balance of trade, and probably saved the incumbent president from defeat last November. Further, Obama's policy has actually reduced oil and gas production on federal lands, where it genuinely falls under Obama's power. A recent study by the Congressional Research Service found that all of the increased production from fiscal years 2007 to 2012 took place on nonfederal lands.

    During the same period, oil and gas production on federal lands fell sharply, both in absolute terms and as a percentage of production. Federal lands accounted for more than a quarter of U.S. gas production as recently as 2009, but in 2012 made up only 15 percent. Federal offshore gas production in 2012 was less than half what it was in 2007.

    Obama has made no secret of his goal of getting America off oil completely. His latest plan to subsidize green energy is funded by $2 billion in fees on oil and gas companies. He announced in his Saturday radio address that his goal is to "shift our cars and trucks off of oil for good."

    How much more important will American oil production have to become to the health of the economy before Obama gives up on his ideologically charged defiance of economics and embraces oil and gas as the fuels of America's next century?

     
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    Re: Obama falsely claims credit for America's energy boom

    The wide majority of the shale deposits aren't on federal lands.

    Drilling in general is way up, everywhere.

    Renewables are at all-time production highs and rising with no end in sight.

    The #1 one way to reduce our dependence on foreign oil is to use LESS of it...a concept so simple, even an oil exec can understand it.

    5 years ago, there were two hybrid models on the market.  Today, there are well over 30.

    It's no wonder some on the right need disinformation houses like Heartland and ALEC to fudge the numbers...they can't do it on their own.

     

    Nice try, though....

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Re: Obama falsely claims credit for America's energy boom

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    How much more important will American oil production have to become to the health of the economy before Obama gives up on his ideologically charged defiance of economics and embraces oil and gas as the fuels of America's next century?



    A false choice if there ever was one.

    Weak.

     

     
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    Re: Obama falsely claims credit for America's energy boom

    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

    LOL.  Bush increases oil production and calls for more nuke power, and he's in the pockets of Big Oil.

    Obambi does the same and he's green and wonderful.



    Well, Bush was in the pockets of big oil, as was/is his daddy and his saudi connections.  As was Cheney.  The Iraq Invasion punctuated that like a bomb.

    So is the rest of DC to some degree...WH included.

    But yeah, Obama is the one who is "ideologically" killing oil and gas jobs, acc'ding to the OP.

     

     
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    "Well, Bush was in the pockets of big oil, as was/is his daddy and his saudi connections.  As was Cheney.  The Iraq Invasion punctuated that like a bomb."

    The delusional libs still go with the conspiratorial "we went to war in Iraq to steal oil" meme...how pathetic.

    At least Big Oil gives us real energy and powers the economy.  A growing economy need energy. 

    Big Green Crony Capitalist Plutocrats give us Solyndras and other bankruptcies...and endless lectures about the burning planet and such. Real efficient energy? Nada.

    "5 years ago, there were two hybrid models on the market.  Today, there are well over 30."

    If a rich liberal wants to pay much higher prices for a green status symbol, fine, the actual impact on the environment and the economy is trivial.

     
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    The delusional libs still go with the conspiratorial "we went to war in Iraq to steal oil" meme...how pathetic.

    At least Big Oil gives us real energy and powers the economy.  A growing economy need energy. 

    Big Green Crony Capitalist Plutocrats give us Solyndras and other bankruptcies...and endless lectures about the burning planet and such. Real efficient energy? Nada.

     

    If a rich liberal wants to pay much higher prices for a green status symbol, fine, the actual impact on the environment and the economy is trivial.



    At least you admit the economy is growing.  Only took three years.

    Of course, Iraq was invaded partly for oil...or more to the point because of oil and our dependence upon it.  There was no other mission.  Saddam was just the goat.

    This isn't even a question.  "Dependence on foreign oil" was its own meme in 2008 and is now permanently a part of the lexicon...imports from "countries that don't like us"...remember?  The natural gas boom is also a product of it.

    What also aren't questions are the 'impacts' from not using so much coal and oil to keep the economy running.  Like the tech boom of the 90s, the green boom will not only bear fruit, but partially sustain the economy in the near future.

    You're saying that no rich conservatives drive hybrids...?  Are you freakin' high?!

     

     
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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    A democrat in time said something about Bush and oil. Therefore, no one is allowed to dispute CLC's misinformation.

     

    Thems the rules. Deal.



    Holy Petroleum, Batman.  The guy was BORN into oil money. 

     

     
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    Re: Obama falsely claims credit for America's energy boom

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    The wide majority of the shale deposits aren't on federal lands.

    Drilling in general is way up, everywhere.

    Renewables are at all-time production highs and rising with no end in sight.

    The #1 one way to reduce our dependence on foreign oil is to use LESS of it...a concept so simple, even an oil exec can understand it.

    5 years ago, there were two hybrid models on the market.  Today, there are well over 30.

    It's no wonder some on the right need disinformation houses like Heartland and ALEC to fudge the numbers...they can't do it on their own.

     

    Nice try, though....

     

     

     

     

     



    Production of gas and oil  is way off on federal lands.  7%, i beleive.  Permits are being slow-walked, and expanded offshore drilling is at a virtual standstill.

     

    but, tho ther than that....you are spot on.

     
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    Production of gas and oil  is way off on federal lands.  7%, i beleive.  Permits are being slow-walked, and expanded offshore drilling is at a virtual standstill.

     



    Repeat: most of the largest, most accessible shale deposits are on private land.  Can't drill for what isn't there.  Like looking for beachfront property in Omaha.

     

    Off-shore drilling involves the respective states, too.  

    Ibid., Shell tried off-shore drilling in the Arctic and tripped over their own d**ks in the process.  They didn't know what they were doing and messed it up to where other companies are pulling out of the area completely.

    And yeah, there was this thing in the Gulf a few years ago.  Explosions, tar balls, deaths, tens of billions in damage and fines...some folks are a little squeamish.

    "7%"   

    Wow.  Tragic.

     

     
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    Re: Obama falsely claims credit for America's energy boom

    Interesting.  So Obama gets the blame for the garbage economy created by his predessor, but doesn't get the credit for the energy boom that most certainly started before he was elected but continued under his leadership?

    That doesn't square, now does it?

     
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    "Like the tech boom of the 90s, the green boom will not only bear fruit, but partially sustain the economy in the near future..."

    Sure, any day now......just $50 billion more in payoffs, er "investments" in solar, wind, cow flatul*nce, or biofuels...

    And progressives claim to be rational and fact-based. There is zero evidence of your statement becoming fact, no matter how many taxpayer dollars are wasted by paying off green energy investors like Al Gore...

    Solar, wind, biofuel green energy has failed. There is no such green boom, there is a green bust.

    The real green energy is natural gas.

     
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    Re: Obama falsely claims credit for America's energy boom

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    And progressives claim to be rational and fact-based. There is zero evidence of your statement becoming fact

     



    Here's some evidence, from deepinahearta red state Texas:

    http://www.reporternews.com/news/2013/mar/01/texas-wind-energy-sets-record-grid-expansion-in/

    Texas set a record for the percentage of electricity generated by wind power — a staggering 28 percent of total supply across the state’s main grid system — with wind generation providing 9,481 megawatts of power at 7:08 p.m. Feb. 9, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas said Friday....

    ERCOT has more than 10,400 MW of commercial wind power capacity, and wind power comprised 9.2 percent of total energy used in the ERCOT region last year, compared with 8.5 percent in 2011, according to ERCOT, which manages the grid for the state’s total electric load, matching supply and demand for 23 million customers across 40,500 miles of transmission lines.

     

    @ CLC: The capacity of the wind turbines is maxed out.  This means that there's not enough infrastructure to transmit all of the power being generated at these farms.

    The future is now.  This is just one tech example from one state in one country.

    Thanks for letting me prove you wrong, however.

     

     

     
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    Re: Obama falsely claims credit for America's energy boom

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    The real green energy is natural gas.



    Natural gas is better than coal and oil in terms of greenhouse gas emissions.  That's true.

    However, the dangers to groundwater supply and of excess methane escaping into the atmosphere have not been properly vetted, and some of the fracking companies have been too opaque about their methods and chemicals used.  

    I'm all for using more natural gas, but the extraction process must be safe and equitable for it to be worth it.  If they can figure out how to recycle water and use sequestration technologies on the resultant by-product gasses, then go for it.

     

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

    And progressives claim to be rational and fact-based. There is zero evidence of your statement becoming fact

     

     



    Here's some evidence, from deepinahearta red state Texas:

     

    http://www.reporternews.com/news/2013/mar/01/texas-wind-energy-sets-record-grid-expansion-in/

    Texas set a record for the percentage of electricity generated by wind power — a staggering 28 percent of total supply across the state’s main grid system — with wind generation providing 9,481 megawatts of power at 7:08 p.m. Feb. 9, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas said Friday....

    ERCOT has more than 10,400 MW of commercial wind power capacity, and wind power comprised 9.2 percent of total energy used in the ERCOT region last year, compared with 8.5 percent in 2011, according to ERCOT, which manages the grid for the state’s total electric load, matching supply and demand for 23 million customers across 40,500 miles of transmission lines.

     

    @ CLC: The capacity of the wind turbines is maxed out.  This means that there's not enough infrastructure to transmit all of the power being generated at these farms.

    The future is now.  This is just one tech example from one state in one country.

    Thanks for letting me prove you wrong, however.

     

     



    Any data on the cost of producing this wind power?  Studies I have seen in the past indicate that is is the single most costly method of producing electricity, primarily due to maintenance costs.  I would be interested in seeing data that Texas has in this regard.

    That being said, I am a big proponent of wind power.  it is a great resource for less populated areas.

     
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    Re: Obama falsely claims credit for America's energy boom

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    Oh dear. We just keep slamming into the invisible walls of the invisible obstacle course that is a response to a greginmeffa zing. (Or, one of those posts that smells like a zing, looks like a zing, but is, in fact, a duck).



    Facepalm

     
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    Re: Obama falsely claims credit for America's energy boom

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    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

     

    Production of gas and oil  is way off on federal lands.  7%, i beleive.  Permits are being slow-walked, and expanded offshore drilling is at a virtual standstill.

     



    Repeat: most of the largest, most accessible shale deposits are on private land.  Can't drill for what isn't there.  Like looking for beachfront property in Omaha.

     

    Off-shore drilling involves the respective states, too.  

    Ibid., Shell tried off-shore drilling in the Arctic and tripped over their own d**ks in the process.  They didn't know what they were doing and messed it up to where other companies are pulling out of the area completely.

    And yeah, there was this thing in the Gulf a few years ago.  Explosions, tar balls, deaths, tens of billions in damage and fines...some folks are a little squeamish.

    "7%"   

    Wow.  Tragic.

     



    So, you are not denying my points, you are just saying they are insignificant?

    i guess that means you agree that your points are incorrect, but, while mine are correct, they are of no concern.

    did I get that right?

     
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    Re: Obama falsely claims credit for America's energy boom

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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

     

    Production of gas and oil  is way off on federal lands.  7%, i beleive.  Permits are being slow-walked, and expanded offshore drilling is at a virtual standstill.

     



    Repeat: most of the largest, most accessible shale deposits are on private land.  Can't drill for what isn't there.  Like looking for beachfront property in Omaha.

     

    Off-shore drilling involves the respective states, too.  

    Ibid., Shell tried off-shore drilling in the Arctic and tripped over their own d**ks in the process.  They didn't know what they were doing and messed it up to where other companies are pulling out of the area completely.

    And yeah, there was this thing in the Gulf a few years ago.  Explosions, tar balls, deaths, tens of billions in damage and fines...some folks are a little squeamish.

    "7%"   

    Wow.  Tragic.

     

     



    So, you are not denying my points, you are just saying they are insignificant?

     

    i guess that means you agree that your points are incorrect, but, while mine are correct, they are of no concern.

    did I get that right?



    Your points are both incorrect and insignificant.

    Otherwise, they're fine.

     

     
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    Re: Obama falsely claims credit for America's energy boom

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    I think we are making some serious mistakes in energy policy that will hamper our ability to find alternative sources of energy. THe problem with hybrids as of now is that they take far more energy to build than a gasoline powered car because of the batteries.  Then consider that the energy that is used to charge them comes largely from fossil fuel run power plants. So we are not getting the bang for the buck by throwing billions in taxpayer money to electric car companies. We should be using that money to improve the energy situation on the grid so when you charge up a battery you are doing it from a grid with much higher % of energy from clean sources like wind, solar, hydro. 

     

    But we have people in charge that are swayed by political supporters rather than what might be the best way to spend the taxpayers' hard earned money. Nothing new for sure. Just frustrating.



    Some valid points here.

    The problem is that they are all interdependent and require input and feedback from various stakeholders.  Different entities are involved in the generation, transmission and delivery of energy at all levels.

    The question is what do you build first? The wires to carry the electricity or the homes and businesses which will use it??  The charging stations or the cars to create demand for charging stations?

    As vague as it sounds (and is), "all-of-the-above" is really the only way to tackle the problems at-large - which are as diverse as the needs fueling them.

    Bill Gate, for example, said a while back that solar panels on homes are cute and all, but the real changes need to be large, expansive, and yes, a little risky.  That's why projects like Cape Wind and Northern Pass matter so much.  Even wildcatters know you've got to drill a whole lotta wells to find a gusher.  Point being that we can do our own individual parts for selfish reasons and still support the larger aims of sustainable energy.

     

     

     
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    Re: Obama falsely claims credit for America's energy boom

     "I can't fathom why the concept of getting the ball rolling is such an anathema to some.  Yes, we spent billions. Yes, some companies failed. But no one ever claimed all of it would be a smashing success from day one."

    Oh yes they did!!! See below.

    The Obama Administration continues to hype and overpromise, and deliver nothing but failures.

    The point is not that new technology wont give us new efficient cleaner energy. (It already has, with increased natural gas use from fracking). The point is the greatest engine for progress and invention has always been the capitalist sytem, the private sector, from the bottom up.

    The Government doesnt "get the ball rolling", it wants to rig the game. 

    Obama: "If We Create A New Energy Economy, We Can Create Five Million New Jobs, Easily, Here In The United States."

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    OBAMA: "And it is absolutely critical that we understand this is not just a challenge, it’s an opportunity, because if we create a new energy economy, we can create five million new jobs, easily, here in the United States." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Second Presidential Debate, Nashville, TN, 10/7/08)

     

    In 2008, Obama Promised As President To Put "One Million 150 Mile-Per-Gallon Plug-In Hybrid Cars On Our Roads Within Six Years."

     

     

     

     

    OBAMA: "First, we’ll commit ourselves to getting one million 150 mile-per-gallon plug-in hybrid cars on our roads within six years. And we’ll make sure these cars are built not in Japan, not in China, but right here in the United States of America." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At A Town Hall, Youngstown, OH, 8/5/08)

     

    Obama In 2009: "To Finally Spark The Creation Of A Clean-Energy Economy, We Will Double The Production Of Alternative Energy In The Next Three Years."

    (President-Elect Barack Obama, Speech On The Economy, Fairfax, VA, 1/8/09)

    BROKEN: Obama’s Claim To Have Doubled Use Of Renewable Energy Is "Not True" And Increase Is "Not Impressive."

    "President Barack Obama has been claiming that the United States has ‘doubled our use of renewable energy.’ Not true. Wind and solar have doubled, but total renewable energy consumption is up by about one quarter from 2008 to 2011. Plus, since wind and solar started at such a low level, a doubling may not be as impressive to voters as it sounds." (Lori Robertson, "Renewable Energy ‘Doubled?’" FactCheck.Org, 9/14/12)

     
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    Re: Obama falsely claims credit for America's energy boom

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

    The point is not that new technology wont give us new efficient cleaner energy. (It already has, with increased natural gas use from fracking). The point is the greatest engine for progress and invention has always been the capitalist sytem, the private sector, from the bottom up.

    The Government doesnt "get the ball rolling", it wants to rig the game. 

     

     


    The long list of inventions and innovations developed under the auspices of US government support would disagree with you out of hand.

    But, you're also correct on at least one score:

    The private insurance companies are already underwriting with an eye on catastrophic environmental events related to climate change...which is related to greenhouse gas emissions...which is directly related to the raw materials we burn for energy.

     

    As for Obama failing to reach his energy goals, it's sad, but that's what the second term is for...and no thanks to the house repubs for blocking every single effort he's put forth merely out of spite.

     

     

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