Obama forces women to undergo medical procedure AGAIN!

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    [QUOTE]Clearly unconstitutional
    Posted by GreginMeffa[/QUOTE]

    Only if punishment.
     
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    11 states require verbal counseling or written materials to include information on accessing ultrasound services.

    20 states regulate the provision of ultrasound by abortion providers.

    7 states mandate that an abortion provider perform an ultrasound on each woman seeking an abortion, and require the provider to offer the woman the opportunity to view the image.

    9 states require that a woman be provided with the opportunity to view an ultrasound image if her provider performs the procedure as part of the preparation for an abortion.

    5 states require that a woman be provided with the opportunity to view an ultrasound image

     
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    NY Times:

    In one of the few studies of the issue — there have been none in the United States — two abortion clinics in British Columbia found that 73 percent of patients wanted to see an image if offered the chance. Eighty-four percent of the 254 women who viewed sonograms said it did not make the experience more difficult, and none reversed her decision.

     
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    january 2012: The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the constitutionality of a new law in Texas requiring that abortion providers do ultrasound exams and that a woman listen to the physician’s description of her unborn child and to the heartbeat before deciding whether to abort....

     
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    An ultrasound is not an "invasive" procedure.
     
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    It is a little weird..in a creepy sort of way that they are mandating a transvaginal ultrasound ( the more invasive) ..when really the same images can be obtained with a traditional ultrasound. In fact those images are usually better.
    See..this is where the GOP comes across as incredibly hypocritical. In my mind..the only person qualified to determine the appropriate kind of ultrasound to perform is the ultrasound tech.

    Also..am I reading this right that the VA GOP wants to even include the use of things like the morning after pill?
     
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    [QUOTE]An ultrasound is not an "invasive" procedure.
    Posted by BetheKoolaid[/QUOTE]

    The type being proposed in the VA legislatture is invasive, a probe has to be inserted into the patients birth canal. 
     
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    [QUOTE]NY Times: In one of the few studies of the issue — there have been none in the United States — two abortion clinics in British Columbia found that 73 percent of patients wanted to see an image if offered the chance. Eighty-four percent of the 254 women who viewed sonograms said it did not make the experience more difficult, and none reversed her decision.
    Posted by BetheKoolaid[/QUOTE]

    If only our health care delivery system took more cues from our congenial neighbors to the north....
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama forces women to undergo medical procedure AGAIN! : If only our health care delivery system took more cues from our congenial neighbors to the north....
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]

    Right because Canada's system has no issues at all....
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama forces women to undergo medical procedure AGAIN! : Right because Canada's system has no issues at all....
    Posted by WhichOnesPink[/QUOTE]

    Your specious exaggeration aside...I never said it was perfect.

    That said, we could still learn a lot from them.
     
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    [QUOTE]The government forcing you to have a medical procedure is bad, but the government forcing you to purchase insurance for that medical procedure is hunky-dory. Do I have this right?
    Posted by GreginMeffa[/QUOTE]

    I don't know, the two issues are separate and distinct, and unrelated to the topic at hand. 

    In my mind the question boils down to: why is that the government can mandate an unnecessary procedure just so a woman can obtain legal medical services?  At this point why doesn't VA just write a law that would allow abortion protestors to be in the room with the patient during the procedure, or publish the names and addresses of women who get abortions? 
     
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    I do not think the govt should mandate contraceptives or this procedure.
    Govt should mandate, require, tax, over-regulate and bother people and business much less in alot of areas.
     
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    Government didnt mandate contraceptives.  No one will be forced to use birth control pills.  This VA initiative isn't the "other side of the coin", the two matters are not even related. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama forces women to undergo medical procedure AGAIN! : Your specious exaggeration aside...I never said it was perfect. That said, we could still learn a lot from them.
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]

    YOUR specious exaggeration aside...I never said that you said it was perfect ; )


     
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    [QUOTE]Government didnt mandate contraceptives.  No one will be forced to use birth control pills.  This VA initiative isn't the "other side of the coin", the two matters are not even related. 
    Posted by DamainAllen[/QUOTE]

    haha true! But mandating that private industry MUST provide them to you for free is imo not within the govt's power!!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama forces women to undergo medical procedure AGAIN! : you moonbats
    Posted by Newtster[/QUOTE]

    The only "Moonbat" is Mr. Gingrich, who campaigned for the title in Florida.

    Go, Mr. Gingrich!
     
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    Governor McDonnell will sign the ultrasound bill. There are other states that have this law, most notably Texas.
     
    There is another bill, which may or may not pass, a "personhood" bill which, like the "Personhood Amendment" turned down by voters in Mississippi, states that human life begins at fertilization.

    If it passes, Gov McDonnell likely wont sign it, in my opinion.
     
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    [QUOTE]Governor McDonnell will sign the ultrasound bill. There are other states that have this law, most notably Texas.   There is another bill, which may or may not pass, a "personhood" bill which, like the "Personhood Amendment" turned down by voters in Mississippi, states that human life begins at fertilization. If it passes, Gov McDonnell likely wont sign it, in my opinion.
    Posted by BetheKoolaid[/QUOTE]
    ...and no doubt it will be eventually challenged in court and overturned.
     
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