Obama forces women to undergo medical procedure AGAIN!
posted at 2/15/2012 10:06 AM EST
Va House set to enact mandatory invasive ultrasound probe for women who seek abortions
RICHMOND, Va. — House of Delegates Republicans have rejected a last-ditch bid by Democrats to allow women seeking abortions to opt out of an invasive ultrasonic procedure under anti-abortion legislation set for a final House vote Tuesday.
Legislation that has advanced on the strength of a GOP majority would force women to undergo a “transvaginal ultrasound” that produces fetal images.
An amendment by Del. David Englin, D-Alexandria, would have allowed medical professionals to determine whether images can be obtained without being penetrated by equipment used in the ultrasound.
Women would have to give written consent to such a probe under Englin’s amendments, but not to sonograms that are not invasive. The amendment failed on 64-34 vote, setting the bill up for final House passage.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/va-house-set-to-enact-mandatory-invasive-ultrasound-probe-for-women-who-seek-abortions/2012/02/13/gIQA56vnBR_story.html
Forcing people to undergo medical procedures is perfectly fine because it is using government to further a religion's purposes.
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posted at 2/15/2012 10:15 AM EST
- GreginMeffa
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Clearly unconstitutional
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posted at 2/15/2012 10:17 AM EST
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Clearly unconstitutional
Posted by GreginMeffa
Only if punishment.
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posted at 2/15/2012 10:18 AM EST
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Posted by Firewind
Huh?
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posted at 2/15/2012 10:24 AM EST
11 states require verbal counseling or written materials to include information on accessing ultrasound services.
20 states regulate the provision of ultrasound by abortion providers.
7 states mandate that an abortion provider perform an ultrasound on each woman seeking an abortion, and require the provider to offer the woman the opportunity to view the image.
9 states require that a woman be provided with the opportunity to view an ultrasound image if her provider performs the procedure as part of the preparation for an abortion.
5 states require that a woman be provided with the opportunity to view an ultrasound image
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posted at 2/15/2012 10:27 AM EST
NY Times:
In one of the few studies of the issue — there have been none in the United States — two abortion clinics in British Columbia found that 73 percent of patients wanted to see an image if offered the chance. Eighty-four percent of the 254 women who viewed sonograms said it did not make the experience more difficult, and none reversed her decision.
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posted at 2/15/2012 10:28 AM EST
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11 states require verbal counseling or written materials to include information on accessing ultrasound services. 20 states regulate the provision of ultrasound by abortion providers. 7 states mandate that an abortion provider perform an ultrasound on each woman seeking an abortion, and require the provider to offer the woman the opportunity to view the image. 9 states require that a woman be provided with the opportunity to view an ultrasound image if her provider performs the procedure as part of the preparation for an abortion. 5 states require that a woman be provided with the opportunity to view an ultrasound image
Posted by BetheKoolaid
Thank you.
And the disconnect in the minds of those who rage mercilessly against the Obama contraceptive mandate, but express defeaning silence about government-mandated v*ginal spelunking, is quite astounding.
No?
Re: Obama forces women to undergo medical procedure AGAIN!
posted at 2/15/2012 10:29 AM EST
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none reversed her decision.
Posted by BetheKoolaid
So not only is it a government-mandated invasive procedure, it doesn't actually do anything to discourage abortion.
Great "defense".
Re: Obama forces women to undergo medical procedure AGAIN!
posted at 2/15/2012 10:42 AM EST
january 2012: The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the constitutionality of a new law in Texas requiring that abortion providers do ultrasound exams and that a woman listen to the physician’s description of her unborn child and to the heartbeat before deciding whether to abort....
Re: Obama forces women to undergo medical procedure AGAIN!
posted at 2/15/2012 10:58 AM EST
An ultrasound is not an "invasive" procedure.
Re: Obama forces women to undergo medical procedure AGAIN!
posted at 2/15/2012 10:59 AM EST
- miscricket
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It is a little weird..in a creepy sort of way that they are mandating a transvaginal ultrasound ( the more invasive) ..when really the same images can be obtained with a traditional ultrasound. In fact those images are usually better.
See..this is where the GOP comes across as incredibly hypocritical. In my mind..the only person qualified to determine the appropriate kind of ultrasound to perform is the ultrasound tech.
Also..am I reading this right that the VA GOP wants to even include the use of things like the morning after pill?
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posted at 2/15/2012 11:07 AM EST
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An ultrasound is not an "invasive" procedure.
Posted by BetheKoolaid
The type being proposed in the VA legislatture is invasive, a probe has to be inserted into the patients birth canal.
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posted at 2/15/2012 11:45 AM EST
- GreginMeffa
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The
government forcing you to have a
medical procedure is bad, but the government forcing you to purchase insurance for that medical procedure is hunky-dory.
Do I have this right?
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posted at 2/15/2012 12:20 PM EST
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NY Times: In one of the few studies of the issue — there have been none in the United States — two abortion clinics in British Columbia found that 73 percent of patients wanted to see an image if offered the chance. Eighty-four percent of the 254 women who viewed sonograms said it did not make the experience more difficult, and none reversed her decision.
Posted by BetheKoolaid
If only our health care delivery system took more cues from our congenial neighbors to the north....
Re: Obama forces women to undergo medical procedure AGAIN!
posted at 2/15/2012 12:27 PM EST
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Posted by MattyScornD
Right because Canada's system has no issues at all....
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posted at 2/15/2012 12:35 PM EST
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Posted by WhichOnesPink
Your specious exaggeration aside...I never said it was perfect.
That said, we could still learn a lot from them.
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posted at 2/15/2012 12:44 PM EST
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The government forcing you to have a medical procedure is bad, but the government forcing you to purchase insurance for that medical procedure is hunky-dory. Do I have this right?
Posted by GreginMeffa
I don't know, the two issues are separate and distinct, and unrelated to the topic at hand.
In my mind the question boils down to: why is that the government can mandate an unnecessary procedure just so a woman can obtain legal medical services? At this point why doesn't VA just write a law that would allow abortion protestors to be in the room with the patient during the procedure, or publish the names and addresses of women who get abortions?
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posted at 2/15/2012 12:44 PM EST
- sk8ter2008
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I do not think the govt should mandate contraceptives or this procedure.
Govt should mandate, require, tax, over-regulate and bother people and business much less in alot of areas.
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posted at 2/15/2012 12:46 PM EST
- DamainAllen
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Government didnt mandate contraceptives. No one will be forced to use birth control pills. This VA initiative isn't the "other side of the coin", the two matters are not even related.
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posted at 2/15/2012 12:49 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Obama forces women to undergo medical procedure AGAIN! : Your specious exaggeration aside...I never said it was perfect. That said, we could still learn a lot from them.
Posted by MattyScornD
YOUR specious exaggeration aside...I never said that you said it was perfect ; )
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posted at 2/15/2012 12:53 PM EST
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Government didnt mandate contraceptives. No one will be forced to use birth control pills. This VA initiative isn't the "other side of the coin", the two matters are not even related.
Posted by DamainAllen
haha true! But mandating that private industry MUST provide them to you for free is imo not within the govt's power!!
