Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?

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    Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?

    Obama is at it again, usurping the role of power of Congress:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-20/obama-aides-say-more-to-gain-coverage-under-aca-than-canceled.html

    Americans whose health plans are being canceled because their coverage doesn’t meet Obamacare rules will be exempt from the mandate that they carry insurance, under a change announced by the Obama administration.

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    Where the bleep are the Republicans? Why are they not attacking this imperial President for acting outside his powers as prescribed by the Constitution?

    They ALL took oaths to defend the Constitution.

    DO SOMETHING YOU CLOWNS!


     
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    Re: Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?

    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

    Obama is at it again, usurping the role of power of Congress:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-20/obama-aides-say-more-to-gain-coverage-under-aca-than-canceled.html

    Americans whose health plans are being canceled because their coverage doesn’t meet Obamacare rules will be exempt from the mandate that they carry insurance, under a change announced by the Obama administration.

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    Where the bleep are the Republicans? Why are they not attacking this imperial President for acting outside his powers as prescribed by the Constitution?

    They ALL took oaths to defend the Constitution.

    DO SOMETHING YOU CLOWNS!

     



    Hansorribrother,

    Below is the article connected to the link you provided:

    "Obama Lifts Health Mandate for Those With Canceled Plans

    By Margaret Talev and Alex Wayne   Dec 20, 2013 12:05 AM ET  

    Save Photographer: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg

    Copies of the application for the Health Insurance Marketplace from the Department of... Read More

    Americans whose health plans are being canceled because their coverage doesn’t meet Obamacare rules will be exempt from the mandate that they carry insurance, under a change announced by the Obama administration.

    Officials estimated the change will affect fewer than 500,000 people as a Dec. 23 deadline looms to purchase health policies to be eligible for coverage beginning Jan. 1. People losing coverage also will be eligible to buy high-deductible “catastrophic” insurance the law usually limits to those younger than age 30.

    Insurers warned that the new exemptions, which would last a year and potentially longer for consumers granted hardship exceptions, risk destabilizing the new marketplaces if younger, healthier people who now carry cheap policies opt out of buying replacement coverage.

    “This latest rule change could cause significant instability in the marketplace and lead to further confusion and disruption for consumers,” Karen Ignagni, the president of America’s Health Insurance Plans, the industry’s Washington lobby group, said in an e-mail from a spokesman.

    The Obama also administration yesterday gave its first estimate of the number of people who may be without coverage after their policies were canceled for failing to meet the requirements of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, known as Obamacare. Fewer than 500,000 Americans will lose insurance starting Jan. 1 because their policies don’t meet the law’s requirements and they haven’t found new coverage, according to administration officials who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity.

    Guidance Issued

    The exemption from the law’s individual mandate was announced separately yesterday in guidance issued by the U.S. Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight, a division of theDepartment of Health and Human Services.

    “This is a common-sense clarification of the law,” Joanne Peters, a spokeswoman for U.S. Health Secretary, Kathleen Sebelius, said in an e-mail. “For the limited number of consumers whose plans have been canceled and are seeking coverage, this is one more option.”

    In California, more than 1 million policy holders received letters from their current insurers saying their coverage will be canceled after Dec. 31 because their plans don’t comply, and hundreds of thousands were canceled in other states.

    That has stoked the political backlash against President Barack Obama’s signature health-care law and came on top of the botched October rollout of the government-run insurance exchange where people are supposed to shop for health coverage.

    Policy Changes

    Obama has responded with a flurry of last-minute policy changes to give people more time to sign up for insurance and blunt the effect of cancellations.

    He announced Nov. 14 that states could allow plans to extend current policies for a year. At least 22 states, including California and New York, have said they won’t allow insurers to extend expiring plans, according to Ignagni’s group. Instead, people in those states will have to buy new policies that comply with the law, either directly from insurers or through government-run marketplaces.

    A week later, he pushed back the deadline to sign up for coverage effective Jan. 1 by eight days, to Dec. 23.

    On Dec. 13 the administration urged insurers to provide more leniency to people shopping for new coverage by allowing them to pay for plans later in January and sign up retroactively for coverage beginning Jan. 1. The government also asked insurers to cover care from any doctor or hospital in January and to cover refills of prescriptions during the month regardless of any network restrictions.

    Payment Window

    The industry said this week that it would allow payment for coverage beginning Jan. 1 as late as Jan. 10. While insurers haven’t agreed to the other requests, they are automatically enrolling in new plans many policy-holders who would otherwise lose coverage..

    The government is trying to reach people seeking new policies who may have experienced bugs or errors in the federal enrollment system before the Dec. 23 deadline, said the officials who briefed reporters. More than 2 million e-mails have been sent to people who tried to sign up in October and November and hit technical problems, the officials said, and government call centers have placed more than 600,000 phone calls to those customers.".

     

    I see where "People losing coverage also will be eligible to buy high-deductible “catastrophic” insurance the law usually limits to those younger than age 30."

    I also see where people buying policies not meeting the rules will be exempt from the individual mandate.

     

    What I do not see is anything that suggests that President Obama is doing anything unconstitutional.

    So my question here is for you to lay out the grounds where our President is violating our Constitution?

     
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    Re: Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?

    andie, if the law says one thing and he changes it to something else without it being authorized by Congress then his action is unconstitutional. If the law specifies that the executive branch has the leeway to make those changes then it's not.

     

     
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    In response to StalkingButler's comment:
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    andie, if the law says one thing and he changes it to something else without it being authorized by Congress then his action is unconstitutional. If the law specifies that the executive branch has the leeway to make those changes then it's not.

     

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    SB,

    May I assume the law you refer to is the ACA?

    And these"audibles" (football talk, right) to provide relief to those who would otherwise be hurt due to the very rocky rollout of the website is the basis of deeming Obama's action's unconstitional?

    These audibles that do nothing but help the individuals affected by the messy website.

    Would Congress have say no, you have to pay the mandate anyway?

    Would Congress have said no, you cannot purchase this high-deductible catostrastrphich health insurance because you have aged out?

    Or more to the topic, throw it to Congress and let both sides do their current usual job of nothing. Meanwhile these people are the ones that will be hurt.

    Maybe that is why the Republicans are silent on this...referring to the OP.

    Or maybe is just is not an unconstitutional exercise of power.

     

     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from StalkingButler. Show StalkingButler's posts

    Re: Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?

    andie, the question isn't whether the action being taken is a good one or not, that's a separate debate. The question is whether or not the President of the unitede States has the authority, under the Constitution, to change a law without authorization from Congress.

     
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    Re: Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?


    IMO, the republicans are staying away from anything to do with Obamcare. I feel their philosophy is, no republican voted for this law and they are not going to hitch their wagon to this colossal mess with the 2014 elections looming. 

     
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  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from StalkingButler. Show StalkingButler's posts

    Re: Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?

    I think that they're afraid of crossing President Obama due to his perceived personal popularity and the charges of RACISM!!!111!!! that usually follow any criticism of the President's policies.

     
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    Re: Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?

    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
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    Obama is at it again, usurping the role of power of Congress:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-20/obama-aides-say-more-to-gain-coverage-under-aca-than-canceled.html

    Americans whose health plans are being canceled because their coverage doesn’t meet Obamacare rules will be exempt from the mandate that they carry insurance, under a change announced by the Obama administration.

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    Where the bleep are the Republicans? Why are they not attacking this imperial President for acting outside his powers as prescribed by the Constitution?

    They ALL took oaths to defend the Constitution.

    DO SOMETHING YOU CLOWNS!

     

    [/QUOTE]Certainly AGREE !!!!!  We have 5 years of the "BIG O's" screw ups.....  IMO, on purpose has he trys to "TRANSFORM" the USA into a 3rd world country !!!!  He treats the Congress like a bunch of dog catchers.... WHY we have not heard the IMPEACH word is beyond what the Founders had in mind for IMPERIAL PRESIDENTS  !!!!    What say you ???


     
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  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from Hansoribrother. Show Hansoribrother's posts

    Re: Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?

    Who is the buttmunch removing perfectly legit posts?

    Getting annoying. Why bother to come here if you can't have legitimate debate?

    Apparently Obama is not the only person exhibiting tyrannical behavior.

     
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  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from MattyScornD. Show MattyScornD's posts

    Re: Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?

    "out of control" = the least productive congress in history

     

     

     
  14. You have chosen to ignore posts from slomag. Show slomag's posts

    Re: Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?

    In response to StalkingButler's comment:
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    andie, the question isn't whether the action being taken is a good one or not, that's a separate debate. The question is whether or not the President of the unitede States has the authority, under the Constitution, to change a law without authorization from Congress.

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    The executive branch has a lot of leeway when it comes to enforcement of laws.  He can't tell insurance carriers every plan now has to cover dental - that would be changing the law.  He can say we're not going to apply this penalty to people who meet this criteria.  

    It's directly constitutional - the President has the power to grant reprieves or pardons for offenses against the United States.

     

     
  15. You have chosen to ignore posts from MattyScornD. Show MattyScornD's posts

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    Apparently Obama is not the only person exhibiting tyrannical behavior.

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    Rank hyperbole.

     

    And it's disingenuous to complain about enforcement of a law that you don't think should have been enacted in the first place.

    Take it up with Congress.  They passed it into law, and the Court said "OK".

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Re: Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
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    Apparently Obama is not the only person exhibiting tyrannical behavior.

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    Rank hyperbole.

     

    And it's disingenuous to complain about enforcement of a law that you don't think should have been enacted in the first place.

    Take it up with Congress.  They passed it into law, and the Court said "OK".

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    I'm with Matty...people voted for Obama and get what they deserve...they asked for their insurance to be cancelled, for increased debt, skyrocketing health costs and this mess called Obamacre and its far reaching consequences.....people need to stop whining.

    Elections have consequences. 

     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from MattyScornD. Show MattyScornD's posts

    Re: Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?

    In response to macnh1's comment:
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
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    Apparently Obama is not the only person exhibiting tyrannical behavior.

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    Rank hyperbole.

     

    And it's disingenuous to complain about enforcement of a law that you don't think should have been enacted in the first place.

    Take it up with Congress.  They passed it into law, and the Court said "OK".

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    I'm with Matty...people voted for Obama and get what they deserve...they asked for their insurance to be cancelled, for increased debt, skyrocketing health costs and this mess called Obamacre and its far reaching consequences.....people need to stop whining.

    Elections have consequences. 

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    Except I didn't say that.

    But far be it from me to stop you from agreeing with what you think I said.

     

     

     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from slomag. Show slomag's posts

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    In response to macnh1's comment:
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:
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    Apparently Obama is not the only person exhibiting tyrannical behavior.

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    Rank hyperbole.

     

    And it's disingenuous to complain about enforcement of a law that you don't think should have been enacted in the first place.

    Take it up with Congress.  They passed it into law, and the Court said "OK".

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    I'm with Matty...people voted for Obama and get what they deserve...they asked for their insurance to be cancelled, for increased debt, skyrocketing health costs and this mess called Obamacre and its far reaching consequences.....people need to stop whining.

    Elections have consequences. 

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    If I'm understanding you correctly, the smart voter would vote for the party that was not in power when insurance policies could be canceled at any time, when health care costs skyrocketed and deficits spiraled out of control?  

    I don't want to alarm you, but you are about to become a Democrat.

     

     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from newman09. Show newman09's posts

    Re: Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?

    In response to slomag's comment:

    In response to macnh1's comment:
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
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    Apparently Obama is not the only person exhibiting tyrannical behavior.



    Rank hyperbole.

     

    And it's disingenuous to complain about enforcement of a law that you don't think should have been enacted in the first place.

    Take it up with Congress.  They passed it into law, and the Court said "OK".

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    I'm with Matty...people voted for Obama and get what they deserve...they asked for their insurance to be cancelled, for increased debt, skyrocketing health costs and this mess called Obamacre and its far reaching consequences.....people need to stop whining.

    Elections have consequences. 

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    If I'm understanding you correctly, the smart voter would vote for the party that was not in power when insurance policies could be canceled at any time, when health care costs skyrocketed and deficits spiraled out of control?  

    I don't want to alarm you, but you are about to become a Democrat.

     

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    I think you missed the sarcasm.

     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from andiejen. Show andiejen's posts

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    In response to newman09's comment:
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    In response to slomag's comment:
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    In response to macnh1's comment:
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:
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    Apparently Obama is not the only person exhibiting tyrannical behavior.

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    Rank hyperbole.

     

    And it's disingenuous to complain about enforcement of a law that you don't think should have been enacted in the first place.

    Take it up with Congress.  They passed it into law, and the Court said "OK".

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    I'm with Matty...people voted for Obama and get what they deserve...they asked for their insurance to be cancelled, for increased debt, skyrocketing health costs and this mess called Obamacre and its far reaching consequences.....people need to stop whining.

    Elections have consequences. 

    [/QUOTE]

    If I'm understanding you correctly, the smart voter would vote for the party that was not in power when insurance policies could be canceled at any time, when health care costs skyrocketed and deficits spiraled out of control?  

    I don't want to alarm you, but you are about to become a Democrat.

     

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    I think you missed he sarcasm.

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    newman,

    Maybe so, but, after he articulated his thoughts he did sound like an evolving Democrat.

    As Oprah would say, "A lightbulb moment". 

     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from andiejen. Show andiejen's posts

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    In response to StalkingButler's comment:
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    andie, the question isn't whether the action being taken is a good one or not, that's a separate debate. The question is whether or not the President of the unitede States has the authority, under the Constitution, to change a law without authorization from Congress.

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    SB,

    I really did realize it was not whether the action was a good one or a bad one.

    That is why I wrote the below in my post. I guess my "Or maybe is just is not an unconstitutional exercise of power." was not as clear as it should have been.

    I guess a was a little sloppy in that post. I should have made it crystal clear what was to the constitutional point and what other points I was making, but were not constitutional in nature, such as the actions taken were good for thousands of people.

     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from Hansoribrother. Show Hansoribrother's posts

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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

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    Obama is at it again, usurping the role of power of Congress:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-20/obama-aides-say-more-to-gain-coverage-under-aca-than-canceled.html

    Americans whose health plans are being canceled because their coverage doesn’t meet Obamacare rules will be exempt from the mandate that they carry insurance, under a change announced by the Obama administration.

    ------------------------

    Where the bleep are the Republicans? Why are they not attacking this imperial President for acting outside his powers as prescribed by the Constitution?

    They ALL took oaths to defend the Constitution.

    DO SOMETHING YOU CLOWNS!

     

     

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    Care to site a USSC decision stating that this is beyond his powers?

    Or is simply asserting it enough for you?

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    Perhaps you might have something useful  to say instead of being an a o?

     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from Hansoribrother. Show Hansoribrother's posts

    Re: Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
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    Apparently Obama is not the only person exhibiting tyrannical behavior.

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    Rank hyperbole.

     

    And it's disingenuous to complain about enforcement of a law that you don't think should have been enacted in the first place.

    Take it up with Congress.  They passed it into law, and the Court said "OK".

     

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    Oh it is disengenuous to complain about a President that has taken over for Congress and makes his own law?

    Wait until a Republican does the same thing with a law  you don't like. Are you going sit there and shut up? I doubt it. 

    Take it up with Congress? Maybe you should go to a reading class with your pal WDYWN. That is what this is all about, not Obamacare. Can you read the title? You don't drive with those eyes do you?

    Emote much?

     

     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from andiejen. Show andiejen's posts

    Re: Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?

    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
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    Apparently Obama is not the only person exhibiting tyrannical behavior.

    [/QUOTE]

    Rank hyperbole.

     

    And it's disingenuous to complain about enforcement of a law that you don't think should have been enacted in the first place.

    Take it up with Congress.  They passed it into law, and the Court said "OK".

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Oh it is disengenuous to complain about a President that has taken over for Congress and makes his own law?

    Wait until a Republican does the same thing with a law  you don't like. Are you going sit there and shut up? I doubt it. 

    Take it up with Congress? Maybe you should go to a reading class with your pal WDYWN. That is what this is all about, not Obamacare. Can you read the title? You don't drive with those eyes do you?

    Emote much?

     

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    Hansoribrother,

    If I read you correctly, you are not as much disturbed about the ACA/Obamacare as you are about President Obama's actions in general.

    You believe he has exceeded his presidential authority...perhaps to the point a case for impeachment can be brought. Hence your reference to the title of this thread.

    And maybe you are a little ticked off by the way a couple of posters have phrased their posts to you.

    If I have got the gist of it, then let me say, yes, of course, almost all of us sometimes escalate our posts during exchanges until they get pretty heated, personal, sarcastic, etc. It is the nature of political exchanges to get heated.

    How nasty they get is very much dependent on the participants but also on the heat of the moment and sometimes the history of the posters.

    Less personal, you want the GOP to get off their behinds and maybe find a way, anyway , to impeach Obama.

    If so, Hansoribrother, it is just not that easy, even if the majority, esp. the GOP leaders were of a mind to do so.

    Thank goodness for that. We do not want to be impeaching our elected presidents left and right.

    That is why WDYWN stated in a post for you to cite a particular USSC decision that would support a call for impeachment.

    That is not snark. That is just a legal fact. 

    I do not know what you do. Of course he is a lawyer so maybe it is easier for him to work his way around the rules of impeachment.

    But, thanks to the internet, you can research the grounds for impeaching a sitting president far easier then before home computers, etc.

    That match Obama's actions with what you think would hold legal water for an impeachment.

    That is the legal side.

    Then there is the political side. Just because you may be able to do a thing, does not mean you want or will do a thing in politics.

     

     

     
  25. You have chosen to ignore posts from slomag. Show slomag's posts

    Re: Obama is out of control. Where are the Republicans?

    I don't understand the notion that Obama is acting outside his authority.   He has the power to pardon drug smugglers and terrorists, but not to excuse somebody from a fine?

    Article 2, Section 2 of the Constitution - he (the President) shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States

    Not having insurance is an Offence against the United States.  Waiving the fine is a reprieve.  What's the problem here?

     

     
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