Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities???

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    I'm so sick and tired of the "illegal immigrants take jobs" BS.  They take low, low paying unskilled labor jobs.
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover

    You may want to talk to the construction guys about that claim!
     
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    Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities???

    Reuben, you are implying misuse of the law.

    And as you know, being a lawyer, potential abuses are not reason to block a law.  I asked you before, and I am guessing you know, what is the Supreme Court case that addressed this?
     
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    In Response to Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities??? : If Reuben is right that could be one reason, "Sanctuary cities don't really amount to much as the authorities don't stop the Feds from doing their job." If you combine that with the Constitution's command that the federal government is Supreme in all powers appointed to it (immigration?), well, then you have a situation in which states cannot regulate immigration, and a federal decision not to go after something that isn't an actual problem. Of course....the courts are the ones that will determine whether or not AZ's law violates the Supremacy Clause.  And if you love the Constitution and love America, you'll be happy with that answer.  (unless of course you think the courts can't interpret the constitutoin and it's really just your personal opinion of its meaning that counts: A non-lawyer knowing more about the Constitution than the Supreme Court.) But don't take it from him.  Use common sense.  If you have identified such a horrible non-sensical combination of positions by Obama, why haven't Republican politicians also identified it?  Maybe there's a reason they aren't yelling and screaming about it. After all, they yell and scream about everything else they seem to think is a problem or conspiracy to destroy America.
    Posted by WhatIsItNow

    And Reuben would be wrong on this! Sanctuary cities are illegal and do block the federal government fro doing their Constitutional duty!
    “Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State or local law, a Federal, State, or local government entity or official may not prohibit or in any way restrict any government entity or official from sending to or receiving … information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual.”

    In general, section 404 of PRWORA, which is entitled "Notification and Information Reporting," requires state and federal agencies implementing certain federal benefits programs to report to the INS identifying information concerning aliens whom they know to be illegally in the United States.

    § 642 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (IIRIRA).

    SEC. 642. COMMUNICATION BETWEEN GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND THE
    IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE.

    (a) In General.--Notwithstanding any other provision of
    Federal, State, or local law, a Federal, State, or local
    government entity or official may not prohibit, or in any way
    restrict, any government entity or official from sending to,
    or receiving from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service
    information regarding the citizenship or immigration status,
    lawful or unlawful, of any individual.
    (b) Additional Authority of Government Entities.--
    Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or
    local law, no person or agency may prohibit, or in any way
    restrict, a Federal, State, or local government entity from
    doing any of the following with respect to information
    regarding the immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any
    individual:
    (1) Sending such information to, or requesting or receiving
    such information from, the Immigration and Naturalization
    Service.
    (2) Maintaining such information.
    (3) Exchanging such information with any other Federal,
    State, or local government entity.
    (c) Obligation to Respond to Inquiries.--The Immigration
    and Naturalization Service shall respond to an inquiry by a
    Federal, State, or local government agency, seeking to verify
    or ascertain the citizenship or immigration status of any
    individual within the jurisdiction of the agency for any
    purpose authorized by law, by providing the requested
    verification or status information.
     
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    Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities???

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    In Response to Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities??? : What was the Massachusetts seat belt law? It was a SECONDARY enforcement law that COULD NOT be used to stop a vehicle. Only after a vehicle was stopped for a primary infraction could the officer investigate the seatbelts. It is now a primary enforcement law which means you can be stopped for not wearing one. If a person is stopped in RI and doesn't have a valid license, the officer can and will ask the passenger if they have a valid license. Happens every day all over the country. They need to establish whether they would need to tow the vehicle or call a kin to gather the vehicle or have a passenger drive it away. As for the people on foot, in the AZ law an officer CANNOT stop anyone that is walking unless a provable crime was committed near by and they fit the description of the perpetrator. SAME AS IN MASSACHUSETTS TODAY (see Charles Stuart case)! It is called probable cause. If you are walking around in a state park you cannot be stopped because you look illegal. That is a liberal scare tactic and protected in the law.
    Posted by brat13


    Seat belt laws are a civil infaction, not a criminal law.  There are no "secondary criminal laws".  Cops approach people all the time and check on their status.  They do this under the guise of well being investigations or just checking on folks being in the "wrong place" at the "wrong time".  In my experience in the courts and with kids there is a lot of evidence on the matter.  You need to get out more.
     
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    In Response to Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities??? : You are right. I apologize. It was childish and uncalled for. I will remove the post.
    Posted by brat13


    Thanks.  We all have bad days.
     
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    Long time reader 1st time poster, enjoy the debate... "The Supremacy Clause & the argument that the federal government has already 'entered the field' in regulating immigration is the argument why the State's law is unconstitutional." Whatisitnow - Using this argument and applying the same logic, could the case be made than that all state and local income tax legislation has been null and void since the inception of the 16th amendment.  The fed's were given the perview to tax income.  An extreme measure I admit, but interpreting the Supremacy in such an absolute manner is a slippery slope 
    Posted by sshore123

    The Supremacy clause is a straw-man. The Supremacy Clause states that federal law is supreme and cannot be contradicted or over ruled by state law. The AZ law doesn't over rule or contradict the federal law. It supports it.
     
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    Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities???

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    Reuben and whoever else is still unaware of what the AZ law is about. . . Just read this.  You can even see the pdf of the law itself.  But this site breaks down the law very well. http://www.arizonaguide.com/arizona-travel-info/identification-requirements
    Posted by whatnow3


    Here is the actual language:

    B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT STOP, DETENTION OR ARREST MADE BY A LAW

    21 ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A LAW

    22 ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN

    23 OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF ANY

    24 OTHER LAW OR ORDINANCE OF A COUNTY, CITY OR TOWN OR THIS STATE WHERE

    25 REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO AND IS

    26 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE

    27 MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON,

    28 EXCEPT IF THE DETERMINATION MAY HINDER OR OBSTRUCT AN INVESTIGATION.

    Any "stop" would include a "Terry Stop" where there is reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.  This is a pretty vague standard that if applied to suspected trespassers opens the door to all kinds of questionable intrusions.  From the language, it does not have to be a stop for some other kind of investigation: the focus can be alleged trespassing itself.

     
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    In Response to Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities??? : Seat belt laws are a civil infaction, not a criminal law.  There are no "secondary criminal laws".  Cops approach people all the time and check on their status.  They do this under the guise of well being investigations or just checking on folks being in the "wrong place" at the "wrong time".  In my experience in the courts and with kids there is a lot of evidence on the matter.  You need to get out more.
    Posted by Reubenhop

    You are now changing the argument! I never said they were "secondary criminal law" I said they are secondary enforcement! Which means they are not valid reasons for a stop!
     
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    In Response to Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities??? : And Reuben would be wrong on this! Sanctuary cities are illegal and do block the federal government fro doing their Constitutional duty! “Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State or local law, a Federal, State, or local government entity or official may not prohibit or in any way restrict any government entity or official from sending to or receiving … information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual.” In general, section 404 of PRWORA, which is entitled "Notification and Information Reporting," requires state and federal agencies implementing certain federal benefits programs to report to the INS identifying information concerning aliens whom they know to be illegally in the United States. § 642 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (IIRIRA). SEC. 642. COMMUNICATION BETWEEN GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND THE IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE. (a) In General.--Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, a Federal, State, or local government entity or official may not prohibit, or in any way restrict, any government entity or official from sending to, or receiving from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual. (b) Additional Authority of Government Entities.-- Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, no person or agency may prohibit, or in any way restrict, a Federal, State, or local government entity from doing any of the following with respect to information regarding the immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual: (1) Sending such information to, or requesting or receiving such information from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service. (2) Maintaining such information. (3) Exchanging such information with any other Federal, State, or local government entity. (c) Obligation to Respond to Inquiries.--The Immigration and Naturalization Service shall respond to an inquiry by a Federal, State, or local government agency, seeking to verify or ascertain the citizenship or immigration status of any individual within the jurisdiction of the agency for any purpose authorized by law, by providing the requested verification or status information.
    Posted by brat13


    I am not an expert on the laws creating "sanctuaries".  But I believe they only indicate the authorities will not assist the Feds in immigration matters.  They, of course, have no power to stop the Feds from pursuing their immigration obligations.  This is similar to the fact that Massachusetts police do not (generally) investigate immigration status while Rhode Island does.
     
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    Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities???

    Sanctuary cities are refusing to enforce federal law.  AZ is enforcing fed laws that the feds refuse to enforce.

    Obama will lose this suit, and then he will say he loves hispanics and repubs hate them, and make sure you vote in Nov.

    You watch!
     
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    In Response to Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities??? : I am not an expert on the laws creating "sanctuaries".  But I believe they only indicate the authorities will not assist the Feds in immigration matters.  They, of course, have no power to stop the Feds from pursuing their immigration obligations.  This is similar to the fact that Massachusetts police do not (generally) investigate immigration status while Rhode Island does.
    Posted by Reubenhop

    Sanctuary Cities refuse to provide any information to federal agencies on known illegal aliens. Which is in direct violation of at least 2 federal statutes.
     
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    Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities???

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    In Response to Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities??? : Sanctuary Cities refuse to provide any information to federal agencies on known illegal aliens. Which is in direct violation of at least 2 federal statutes.
    Posted by brat13

    Ohh but they are... special. Wink.
    Selective enforcement
     
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    How does that make any sense? He sues AZ for supremacy, and the Feds having the right to determine policy, and yet, he ignores every city that set immigration policy by establishing sanctuary cities. Obama is insane, and this country is a joke.  No intelligent, thinking person would ever see this as being reasonable. Obama is doing nothing but pandering to hispanics for votes.  I cannot wait to capmaogn against Obama.  I am ashamed of my vote for him.   
    Posted by whatnow3


    Pandering for votes??? NAW!

    But, honestly ask yourself this: If the illegals were Republican leaning voters, do you think the borders would have been closed, no, make that SEALED UP a long time ago?

    ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS = UNDOCUMENTED DEMOCRATS.

    I am now calling them Undocumented Democrats for good reason.
     
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    In Response to Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities??? : You may want to talk to the construction guys about that claim!
    Posted by brat13



    OOOOO!!!! OOOOO!!  OOOOO!!! PICK ME! PICK ME!

    Non union shops hire them for menial labor. They rarely get close to minimum wage (Who's to complain that an illegal isn't getting paid paid via US law?). They do the lifting and toting for long hours and get no benefits. How can they? To get reportable wages (to IRS) and benefits, they need ID. Now, with them being illegal and all, you tell me where and how they get this ID?

    These illegals are far from being the "master craftsmen" you may want to believe them to be. It's almost like serfdom. They have no where to turn to if they have any labor complaints. Who'd listen? THEY'RE ILLEGAL!
     
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    In Response to Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities??? : Pandering for votes??? NAW! But, honestly ask yourself this: If the illegals were Republican leaning voters, do you think the borders would have been closed, no, make that SEALED UP a long time ago? ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS = UNDOCUMENTED DEMOCRATS. I am now calling them Undocumented Democrats for good reason.
    Posted by AZPAT

    No they wouldn't. The Repubs love illegals as much as the Dems. If they wanted to close the border, it would be done. Don't confuse this with a D Vs R thing! It is We the People Vs. Them the politicians!
     
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    In Response to Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities??? : OOOOO!!!! OOOOO!!  OOOOO!!! PICK ME! PICK ME! Non union shops hire them for menial labor. They rarely get close to minimum wage (Who's to complain that an illegal isn't getting paid paid via US law?). They do the lifting and toting for long hours and get no benefits. How can they? To get reportable wages (to IRS) and benefits, they need ID. Now, with them being illegal and all, you tell me where and how they get this ID? These illegals are far from being the "master craftsmen" you may want to believe them to be. It's almost like serfdom. They have no where to turn to if they have any labor complaints. Who'd listen? THEY'RE ILLEGAL!
    Posted by AZPAT

    Not sure who you are talking to but the people I have spoken to tell a different tale. They are telling me they are making @2/3 what the American works get on the same jobs. Far from minimum wage. @$20 an hour compared to @$30 an hour.
     
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    Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities???

    BRAT13, you must have missed my post responding to yours.  Sorry, but many AZ police are opposed to the new law. 


    "There's been no shortage of show-me-some-ID jokes around Arizona this week, but the association of police chiefs from around the state does have serious objections to SB1070, the controversial new state law that requires police to ask for papers from anyone they suspect is in the country illegally. The law's main champions certainly include some law-enforcement figures, like Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio and the bill's state senate sponsor, Russell Pearce, a former cop whose son (also a policeman) was once shot by an illegal immigrant. But the official opposition of the Chiefs of Police Association — on the grounds that the law amounts to an unfunded mandate, that it could hurt community relationships and that it distracts attention and resources from more serious criminality — shows that in Arizona, cops are just as divided about the law as everyone else."
    So I guess it's not bs when the Chiefs of Police Association is officially opposed to this law.  From a purely rational standpoint, you might consider that police don't want any kind of additional burden placed on them.  This law requires police to ask for papers from any suspected illegals.

    The GOP really doesn't do anything for hispanics, and for that matter minorities in general.  It's pretty much the party of I've got mine, so screw you and let's cut taxes for the rich and wage war.  All the race-baiting you see from conservative leaders doesn't exactly endear the GOP to minorities.  That should be a scary thought for them considering the future demographics of this country.
     
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    Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities???

    Unfortunately for the country...neither the republicans nor the democrats will do anything to stop illegal immigration.  How quickly we forget the McCain/Kennedy, Bush supported amnesty bill from just a few years ago.

    The states are left with no option.  Eric Holder hates America almost as much as Obama.  November can't come fast enough!!!

     
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    So I guess it's not bs when the Chiefs of Police Association is officially opposed to this law.  From a purely rational standpoint, you might consider that police don't want any kind of additional burden placed on them.  This law requires police to ask for papers from any suspected illegals.


    Ding, Ding, Ding! There are many laws police don't bother with enforcing for many reasons. Most of which is not wanting the added work. This is why I find it comical that the Left is screaming about racial profiling. Most police aren't going to bother with this law.
     
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    Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities???

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    How does that make any sense? He sues AZ for supremacy, and the Feds having the right to determine policy, and yet, he ignores every city that set immigration policy by establishing sanctuary cities. Obama is insane, and this country is a joke.  No intelligent, thinking person would ever see this as being reasonable. Obama is doing nothing but pandering to hispanics for votes.  I cannot wait to capmaogn against Obama.  I am ashamed of my vote for him.   
    Posted by whatnow3

    Obama Commits Act of High Treason; Sides with Foreign Power Against Arizona

     
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    So I guess it's not bs when the Chiefs of Police Association is officially opposed to this law.  From a purely rational standpoint, you might consider that police don't want any kind of additional burden placed on them.  This law requires police to ask for papers from any suspected illegals. Ding, Ding, Ding! There are many laws police don't bother with enforcing for many reasons. Most of which is not wanting the added work. This is why I find it comical that the Left is screaming about racial profiling. Most police aren't going to bother with this law.
    Posted by hawkeye01


    You have to assume that a law will actually be enforced.   After all, didn't they pass this law because of a feeling they are being overrun by illegals?  It wont be "comical" if you are dragged away because of lack of identification.
     
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    Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities???

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    In Response to Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities??? : You have to assume that a law will actually be enforced.   After all, didn't they pass this law because of a feeling they are being overrun by illegals?  It wont be "comical" if you are dragged away because of lack of identification.
    Posted by Reubenhop


    Once again, you've demonstrated why you coudn't cut it as a lowly
    "public defender".........

    The AZ law, mirrors the US FED LAW, Comrade.

    I always feel badly for the poor people that happened to have the misfortune of having you  "represent" them in any way, shape or form. It would't surprise me if one of them was executed for jay-walking.
     
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    Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities???

    If the law were enforced to the extent it is written, the federal court and penal system would be absolutely overrun.  And the AZ courts will be swamped with civil suits.

    "The Major Cities Chiefs Association, which includes the Chiefs of "the 56 largest municipal police departments" in the U.S., has stated that "[i]mmigration enforcement by local police would likely negatively effect and undermine the level of trust and cooperation between local police and immigrant communities", and "[e]nforcement of federal immigration laws would be a burden that most major police agencies would not be able to bear under current resource levels."


    Does it hurt the out of control immigration argument that crime in AZ has gone down?

    "One of the clinching arguments for Arizona’s tough new law aimed at illegal immigration has been the perception in that state that crime has been rising, and that undocumented workers are largely to blame. Yet...the incidence of violent crime in Phoenix last year plunged 16.6 percent compared to 2008, a rate of decline that was three times the national average.

    According to the Phoenix Police Department, the downward trend in crime has continued into 2010 even as the “illegal immigrant crime wave” story reverberates on cable TV and talk radio."

     
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    Re: Obama sues Az for enforcing immigration laws, but refuses to sue states that set up sanctuary cities???

    The heck with all the legal-eze arguments.  Progressives always try to over complicate things.  Here is the unvarnished truth: 

    Illegals are entering the U.S.at will,  and the U.S. government is willfully ignoring its responsibility to stop them.  In fact, the federal government is willfully attempting to preventing others from doing the work that the U.S. will not do.

    How on Earth can this be justified?
     
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