Obama to fire workers for "political" reasons!

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    Obama to fire workers for "political" reasons!

    In late 2006, the Bush Administration fired a mere 7 US Attorneys who serve at the pleasure of the President. It was suggested that the President under his authority , wanted to appoint conservative Republicans to these posts, who were loyal to the President's agenda. This resulted in Democratic outrage, and a Congressional investigation. The Justice Department's Inspector General (IG) released a report on the matter that found most of the firings were, gulp, politically motivated.

    The precedent is now set. The Democrats have set a high standard of ethics; it is criminal for a President to make appointments that are, gulp, "politically motivated".
    It is therefore doubly shocking to hear that the Democratic President-elect plans to replace thousands of competent federal employees based SOLELY on their Party affiliation, and their loyalty to the President!
    Will he dare fire all 93 US Attorneys, based solely on their political affiliation?
     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from frankd8273. Show frankd8273's posts

    Obama to fire workers for "political" reasons!

    OMG IM SO SHOCKED!!!!!
     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from sk8ter2008. Show sk8ter2008's posts

    Obama to fire workers for "political" reasons!

    It is a double standard among liberals but, you don't really expect them to critisize Obama or admit that do you?
    They will ignore it a s usual.

     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from mtbr1975. Show mtbr1975's posts

    Obama to fire workers for "political" reasons!

    It is common practice to do so when a new President takes office, the difference is that Bush loyalists had them fired because they were going after Republicans or refused to speed up investigations of Democrats in key electorates.

    That is far different, but I suppose cool-aid drinkers like you won't be able to see the difference.
     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from BobinVa. Show BobinVa's posts

    Obama to fire workers for "political" reasons!

    [Quote]It is common practice to do so when a new President takes office, the difference is that Bush loyalists had them fired because they were going after Republicans or refused to speed up investigations of Democrats in key electorates.

    That is far different, but I suppose cool-aid drinkers like you won't be able to see the difference.[/Quote]

    "That is far different" Yeah, right.
    I am sure you will be totally outraged when an Obama appointed Democratic hack US Attorney goes after a Republican politician on trumped up charges....
     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from easydoesit2. Show easydoesit2's posts

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    Yeah, BobinVa, like a man who lied about getting a BJ is tried for "high crimes and misdemeanors" wasn't politically motivated.
     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from Mattyhorn. Show Mattyhorn's posts

    Obama to fire workers for "political" reasons!

    Ridiculous assertions somehow passing as arguments.

    First off, political motivation in firing the US Attorneys was not "suggested", it was proven undeniably. Next, US Attorneys are automatically held to a higher standard of political objectivity because they are arms of the Dept. of Justice - these are not your typical federal employees by any stretch Lastly, the federal workers whose jobs are in question are mostly in the intelligence sector - hardly one of the most efficient or successful gov't agencies of the past 8 years.

    I'm sure you know this immutable fact: The day of the inauguration of a new president, every single US ambassador tenders their resignation as a matter of course. They all quit at the same time. Many continue in their posts, but the incoming president has constitutional authority to replace every single diplomatic envoy currently occupying an American embassy abroad. Yet there's nothing political about that; it's how the executive branch works.

    But by all means, keep throwing darts at a wall and faking outrage. You seem to like it.
     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from frankd8273. Show frankd8273's posts

    Obama to fire workers for "political" reasons!

    Well that same man also looked into the camera and straight up LIED to everyone in America's face without a blink or without shame. prosecuting a D-Bag like that is well justified
     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from Mattyhorn. Show Mattyhorn's posts

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    Another thing: aren't you pointy-toothed neo-cons always railing about shrinking the size of government?? You should be applauding the fact that Obama is making cuts to government agency payrolls.
     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from BobinVa. Show BobinVa's posts

    Obama to fire workers for "political" reasons!

    [Quote]I'm sure you know this immutable fact: The day of the inauguration of a new president, every single US ambassador tenders their resignation as a matter of course. They all quit at the same time. Many continue in their posts, but the incoming president has constitutional authority to replace every single diplomatic envoy currently occupying an American embassy abroad. Yet there's nothing political about that; it's how the executive branch works.

    But by all means, keep throwing darts at a wall and faking outrage. You seem to like it.[/Quote]

    Matty, of course I understand and accept that any new President needs to appoint his own political hacks, to replace the other parties'. That is how the system works.

    I do know one "immutable fact": the Democrats attempt to criminalize political differences. They tried to damage not only Bush individually, but the Presidency as an institution..now they will conveniently forget their "faux outrage" at exertions of Presidential power.

    If 'political motivation' in Bush firing those who serve at his pleasure, US Attorneys, mid-term or not , is criminal, then the upcoming firing of 93 US Attorneys by Obama must be criminal also. What is it if not "politically motivated"? Shouldnt Obama have a "higher standard of political objectivity"?
     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from Mattyhorn. Show Mattyhorn's posts

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    Matty, of course I understand and accept that any new President needs to appoint his own political hacks, to replace the other parties'. That is how the system works.

    I do know one "immutable fact": the Democrats attempt to criminalize political differences. They tried to damage not only Bush individually, but the Presidency as an institution..now they will conveniently forget their "faux outrage" at exertions of Presidential power.

    If 'political motivation' in Bush firing those who serve at his pleasure, US Attorneys, mid-term or not , is criminal, then the upcoming firing of 93 US Attorneys by Obama must be criminal also. What is it if not "politically motivated"? Shouldnt Obama have a "higher standard of political objectivity"?[/Quote]

    Again, you're talking apples and oranges, Bob. There's a sincere difference, both politically and ethically, between an incoming administration replacing the previous admin's appointees, and quite another for existing attorneys to be fired for standing their legal ground against unwarranted, politically-motivated prosecutions. There's very little equivalence in your assertion.

    In legal terms specifically, US Attorneys are always on the chopping block, because bench appointees can't be replaced. It's an executive check on the judicial system and the DoJ. But the 2006 scandal, which Gonzales admitted responsibility for AND cost him his job, was a specific case of reciprocity that is a violation of Justice Dept. policy.

    As for the "criminalization" of political differences, that's a red herring UNLESS a crime has been committed OR, as in the aforementioned case, the approve policy of a government agency was intentionally violated. If you want to get into discussions of "intent" or (gulp!) lawyers trying to manipulate public policy, we could be here all friggin' week.
     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from easydoesit2. Show easydoesit2's posts

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    [Quote]Well that same man also looked into the camera and straight up LIED to everyone in America's face without a blink or without shame. prosecuting a D-Bag like that is well justified[/Quote]

    Please, Frank. Unless you're 3 years old or go by the nickname "Pollyanna", you can't be so innocent. A President lieing to the American People? (especially when it doesn't concern his work) Any man caught in an extramarital affair, lieing about it? You can't be serious.
     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from BobinVa. Show BobinVa's posts

    Obama to fire workers for "political" reasons!

    [Quote]
    There's a sincere difference, both politically and ethically, between an incoming administration replacing the previous admin's appointees, and quite another for existing attorneys to be fired for standing their legal ground against unwarranted, politically-motivated prosecutions. .[/Quote]

    Mattyhorn, you refuse to acknowledge the obvious.
    Sounds like apples and apples to me. Lunch time !!
    So, then, Obama gets all his US Attorney appts, and other political appointments. Obama then decides at some point to FIRE a US attorney or other political appointee, mid term.
    By your logic, a long, publicity seeking and intense Congressional investigation is warranted to make sure the mid term firing was not POLITICALLY motivated! And to make sure that the appointee was not let go, because he or she refused to help Obama politically by aggressively prosecuting Republicans....
    All emails and meeting minutes must be immediately turned over!
    Otherwise, the President is "above the law" ? Right?
     
  14. You have chosen to ignore posts from Mattyhorn. Show Mattyhorn's posts

    Obama to fire workers for "political" reasons!

    <Sigh>

    Sorry, Bob. Nothing in your post makes the case that the two scenarios are the same. Besides, if you regard the firings as just a witch-hunt, then the same situation in an Obama admin. would be the same, right? Conversely, if you think agency policy was violated in the firings, then the same would be true only if the exact scenario applied to the DoJ under Obama & Holder.

    Meanwhile, Gonzales (and possibly Rove) have since been ousted over this 'scandal', which amounts principally to a violation of Justice Dept. policy. So, your 'above the law' comment has no credibility here. They broke the rules. They're gone. End of story.
     
  15. You have chosen to ignore posts from BobinVa. Show BobinVa's posts

    Obama to fire workers for "political" reasons!

    Basically the Democratic Congress tried to criminalize the President's executive power under the Constitution to appoint and fire those who serve under him at his discretion. The Pandora's Box is open.
    Under this principle, any Presidential appointment or firing is subject to Congressional investigation and witch hunt.

    "They broke the rules"

    Modern rules:
    Republicans do it: bad, illegal
    Democrats do it: "different scenario", it is OK .

    Have a nice weekend, my liberal friend.
     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from Mattyhorn. Show Mattyhorn's posts

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    [Quote]
    "They broke the rules"

    Modern rules:
    Republicans do it: bad, illegal
    Democrats do it: "different scenario", it is OK .
    [/Quote]

    Accept when "it" just...isn't. As has been said, there's no there there.

    Can it be helped if the Repubs just can't seem to get away with anything?
     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from TomSinMA. Show TomSinMA's posts

    Obama to fire workers for "political" reasons!

    It is quite common for an incomeing president to replace all the US Attorneys who serve at the president's pleasure. The controversy over Bush's firing of the 7 attorneys rose up over the fact that THREE of them were investigating the lobbying, fund raising and possible crimes in the Abramoff case. Bush fired 3 attorney who DARED to investigate his friend Abramoff.

     
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    Matty, the reason Bob is so hot on this issue and won't accept the facts is that a US attorney in Pittsburgh, the one that hired Monica "genius" Goodling will refuse to submit her resignation when the other attorneys submit hers. Assuming that she is asked to leave or fired, the RW nuts and Bob will be able to scream with more of that manufactured outrage they use so much on Fox and via their talking heads.

    Its all another effort to distract rather than face real facts about the politization of DOJ


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    Again, you're talking apples and oranges, Bob. There's a sincere difference, both politically and ethically, between an incoming administration replacing the previous admin's appointees, and quite another for existing attorneys to be fired for standing their legal ground against unwarranted, politically-motivated prosecutions. There's very little equivalence in your assertion.

    In legal terms specifically, US Attorneys are always on the chopping block, because bench appointees can't be replaced. It's an executive check on the judicial system and the DoJ. But the 2006 scandal, which Gonzales admitted responsibility for AND cost him his job, was a specific case of reciprocity that is a violation of Justice Dept. policy.

    As for the "criminalization" of political differences, that's a red herring UNLESS a crime has been committed OR, as in the aforementioned case, the approve policy of a government agency was intentionally violated. If you want to get into discussions of "intent" or (gulp!) lawyers trying to manipulate public policy, we could be here all friggin' week.[/Quote]
     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from BobinVa. Show BobinVa's posts

    Obama to fire workers for "political" reasons!

    [Quote]
    Bush fired 3 attorney who DARED to investigate his friend Abramoff.
    [/Quote]

    Will Obama fire the US Attorney who dared investigate his friend and fellow Illinois Democrat , Governor Rod Blagojevich ?

     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from mtbr1975. Show mtbr1975's posts

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    Exactly what "hack" has gone after a Republican on trumped up charges, or for that matter a Dem on trumped up charges.
     
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    Obama to fire workers for "political" reasons!

    Bobby, I seriously doubt that Obama would fire Patrick Fitzgerald, who did a great job in the Libby and Blagojevich investigations. In fact, it wouldnt surprise me if Obama appointed him special prosecutor in the coming criminal investigations into the bush adminisration! It is important to know that in any such criminal invesigations, executive privilege may not be invoked!

     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from BobinVa. Show BobinVa's posts

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    [Quote]it wouldnt surprise me if Obama appointed him special prosecutor in the coming criminal investigations into the bush adminisration! [/Quote]

    Wow, being a "special prosecutor" would help the career of rising star Fitzgerald.

    How much will Fitz have to pay Obama's Democratic machine to get the job? It's $10 mill for a Senate seat...so maybe $1 mill?
     
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    Obama to fire workers for "political" reasons!

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    Wow, being a "special prosecutor" would help the career of rising star Fitzgerald.

    How much will Fitz have to pay Obama's Democratic machine to get the job? It's $10 mill for a Senate seat...so maybe $1 mill?[/Quote]


    It is pretty sad that you make accusations of corruption with absolutely no proof. Are you that much of a zealot? Obama was being cursed by the governor for NOT playing the corruption game and Fitzgerald is the man exposing the crime NOT committing it. It is shameful to thoughtlessly lump all of them together under one corrupt agenda. You lose all credibility when you engage in such partisan antics.
     
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    Wow, being a "special prosecutor" would help the career of rising star Fitzgerald.

    How much will Fitz have to pay Obama's Democratic machine to get the job? It's $10 mill for a Senate seat...so maybe $1 mill?[/Quote]
     
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    Folks, Bob knows this already but as the first RW thug to take up this issue, facts are amazingly invisible in his posts.

    Obama has helped try to take out Governor Rod Blagovich and has helped in two ways

    1) Legislation meant to hurt Blago - Ethics - words a RW'er knows little about based on the recent corruption and lawbreaking of the GOP

    2) He already said before that he would keep Patrick Fitszerald who the RW said was a "bad attorney" during his procsecution of Valerie Plame.

    BTW...Do you know who REALLY wanted to fire Patrick Fitzgerald....Karl Rove....gee wonder why?

    http://www.newser.com/story/25453/rezko-pal-rove-tried-to-oust-us-attorney-witness-says.html

    By the way, you guys need to stop the Manatee (Sean Hannity) from playing the Ayres game with Blago. How hard its it to understand that the Attorney has nothing nor a desire to go after Obama AND the real target
    already said the team wouldn't join in the corruption.

    You RW'ers are getting desperate..........but keep Obama's approval rating higher and higher. People aren't buying your fact-free crap.






    [Quote]

    Wow, being a "special prosecutor" would help the career of rising star Fitzgerald.

    How much will Fitz have to pay Obama's Democratic machine to get the job? It's $10 mill for a Senate seat...so maybe $1 mill?[/Quote]
     

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