Obamacare Causing Nearly Half Of Small Businesses To Freeze Hiring

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    Spoken like someone who doesn't own a business



    Like it makes any difference whatsoever.

     

     
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    Spoken like someone who doesn't own a business

     



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    Of course it does. Again, if it has to be explained...

     
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    Spoken like someone who doesn't own a business

     

     



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    Of course it does. Again, if it has to be explained...

     

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    I say it doesn't, so buggger your "explanations".

    And am I talking to you or dog?

     

     
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    "If the small businesses' fears are reasonable..."

     

    "The prevalent pessimism tracks other answers in the poll, which showed that 55 percent of small business owners believe that the ACA will lead to higher health-care costs. By contrast, about 5 percent said the law would lead to lower costs.

    And more than half—52 percent—said they expected a reduction in the quality of health care under Obamacare, while just 13 percent expected an improvement."

     

     

     

     

     

     

    ""We need to do more educating about the law," said Rhett Buttle,"


    No s__t, Sherlock.



    Where is your evidence that the expectations are unfounded, made up or otherwise bogus?

     
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    100% of small businesses would like to grow more revenues and hire more workers, but busienss cant and wont hire more than 50 full time workers, to avoid the huge costs of ObamaCare...

     



    Perhaps. But, in business sectors where small businesses are struggling due to corporations low bidding and "buying work" the small business will likely not be sustainable.

     

    The employees may get scooped up by the corporations that now have the small business work so, like CFR backfired big time this bill may just create alot more walmarts and exxons and fewer small, people oriented businesses.

     

     
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    Re: Obamacare Causing Nearly Half Of Small Businesses To Freeze Hiring

    As a small business owner with three employees, I see Obamacare as something of an equalizer.  If I choose to provide insurance to my employees, I receive a significant tax break.  If I do not provide insurance, my employees can purchase private insurance more affordably, and I can put the savings into their paychecks to help offset the costs.  If my megacorp competitor chooses to cover previously uncovered employees, it cuts into their bottom lines (not mine) or if they choose to pay the fine, it cuts into employee retention (I'll be waiting), and helps make private insurance more affordable for everybody.

    Think of how many would-be entrepreneurs were reluctant to start their own businesses - not because of the income risks, but because they could not afford to lose health coverage.

    Obamacare is far from perfect, but from a business perspective, it's a definite improvement.

     
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    The triumph of fear over reason continues unabated.

    If there's no excuse for voters not to learn civics and try to understand public policy...

    ...then there's also no excuse for business owners of ANY size not to understand how to weigh the needs and welfare of their employees vs. their bottom line.  If they can't do that, they shouldn't be in business.

    And yet another issue in which the media is complicit in the lizard-brained ignorance of its audience....

     

     

     



    Here's what I've learned about public policy:  Healthcare should be left to the private sector.

     

     

     



    The main thing the law does is deliver millions of new customers to the private insurance industry.

     

     

    This is a federal takeover of healthcare only in the crazy world where Barack Obama is a “socialist.”

     

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    you are confusing two concepts: ownership, and control.

    Private insurance companies, that have to offer insurance that the government decides and manages.  Government controls both sides of the transaction, demanding that it's citizens buy, and controlling what the insurance company offers.

    So, you live under a false assumption that this is a "free" market, it is not.  Government determines everything in this transaction.

    Actually, fits the true definition of socialism to a "T", you know, the whole controlling the means of production thing? 

    Only in your " head in the sand" progressive world is this not socialism.

     
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    Re: Obamacare Causing Nearly Half Of Small Businesses To Freeze Hiring

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    As a small business owner with three employees, I see Obamacare as something of an equalizer.  If I choose to provide insurance to my employees, I receive a significant tax break.  If I do not provide insurance, my employees can purchase private insurance more affordably, and I can put the savings into their paychecks to help offset the costs.  If my megacorp competitor chooses to cover previously uncovered employees, it cuts into their bottom lines (not mine) or if they choose to pay the fine, it cuts into employee retention (I'll be waiting), and helps make private insurance more affordable for everybody.

    Think of how many would-be entrepreneurs were reluctant to start their own businesses - not because of the income risks, but because they could not afford to lose health coverage.

    Obamacare is far from perfect, but from a business perspective, it's a definite improvement.



    You own a business? Impossible.

     
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    Spoken like someone who doesn't own a business

     

     

     



    Like it makes any difference whatsoever.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Of course it does. Again, if it has to be explained...

     

     

     

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    I say it doesn't, so buggger your "explanations".

    And am I talking to you or dog?

     

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    Obamacare is the moment the liberal marching song changed from "Cumbuya" to "Sympathy for the Devil".

    bunch of soulless devil worshipers.

     
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    Spoken like someone who doesn't own a business

     

     

     



    Like it makes any difference whatsoever.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Of course it does. Again, if it has to be explained...

     

     

     

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    I say it doesn't, so buggger your "explanations".

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    oh well...that does it then....

     
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    Spoken like someone who doesn't own a business

     

     

     

     



    Like it makes any difference whatsoever.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Of course it does. Again, if it has to be explained...

     

     

     

     

     

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    I say it doesn't, so buggger your "explanations".

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    Obamacare is the moment the liberal marching song changed from "Cumbuya" to "Sympathy for the Devil".

     

    bunch of soulless devil worshipers.

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    What? Devil worshipers? Where do you get off saying that?

     

     
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    Re: Obamacare Causing Nearly Half Of Small Businesses To Freeze Hiring

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    As a small business owner with three employees, I see Obamacare as something of an equalizer.  If I choose to provide insurance to my employees, I receive a significant tax break.  If I do not provide insurance, my employees can purchase private insurance more affordably, and I can put the savings into their paychecks to help offset the costs.  If my megacorp competitor chooses to cover previously uncovered employees, it cuts into their bottom lines (not mine) or if they choose to pay the fine, it cuts into employee retention (I'll be waiting), and helps make private insurance more affordable for everybody.

    Think of how many would-be entrepreneurs were reluctant to start their own businesses - not because of the income risks, but because they could not afford to lose health coverage.

    Obamacare is far from perfect, but from a business perspective, it's a definite improvement.



    If you read reports on healthcare insurance, costs are not going down. They are going up dramatically, unless of course you hire people that get subsidized insurance.

    So are you like WalMart, a company accused of short-changing its employees causing government to provide benefits to pick up the slack?

     

     
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    "If the small businesses' fears are reasonable..."

     

    "The prevalent pessimism tracks other answers in the poll, which showed that 55 percent of small business owners believe that the ACA will lead to higher health-care costs. By contrast, about 5 percent said the law would lead to lower costs.

    And more than half—52 percent—said they expected a reduction in the quality of health care under Obamacare, while just 13 percent expected an improvement."

     

     

     

     

     

     

    ""We need to do more educating about the law," said Rhett Buttle,"


    No s__t, Sherlock.

     

     



    Where is your evidence that the expectations are unfounded, made up or otherwise bogus?

     

     

     

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    Where is your evidence that the expectations are founded, supported or otherwise proven?

     

     

    Trouble with the article is they didn't say "well see here, this provision. This provision F's me because of X,Y,Z"

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    What about numerous reports indicating much higher insurance costs to come? What about the fact that millions more people will get much more significant access to heatlhcare services without an increase in the number of providers? What about reports of loopholes cropping up?

    I will give you one point - it is hard to really know what is in the bill because it is 2100 pages of gobbledeegook from which regulators make up their regulations. So people have to go on what is being published in various news media and from government agencies. No doubt some reporting is honest but inaccurate and some is spin. So, regardless of what some business owners might expect, are they not right to be conservative in hiring because no one really knows what the f is in the damned thing? 

     

     
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    Spoken like someone who doesn't own a business

     

     

     

     

     



    Like it makes any difference whatsoever.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Of course it does. Again, if it has to be explained...

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    I say it doesn't, so buggger your "explanations".

    And am I talking to you or dog?

     

     

     

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    Obamacare is the moment the liberal marching song changed from "Cumbuya" to "Sympathy for the Devil".

     

     

    bunch of soulless devil worshipers.

     

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    What? Devil worshipers? Where do you get off saying that?

     

     

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    Having some fun wit ya!

    don't be so serious all the time!

     
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    As a small business owner with three employees, I see Obamacare as something of an equalizer.  If I choose to provide insurance to my employees, I receive a significant tax break.  If I do not provide insurance, my employees can purchase private insurance more affordably, and I can put the savings into their paychecks to help offset the costs.  If my megacorp competitor chooses to cover previously uncovered employees, it cuts into their bottom lines (not mine) or if they choose to pay the fine, it cuts into employee retention (I'll be waiting), and helps make private insurance more affordable for everybody.

    Think of how many would-be entrepreneurs were reluctant to start their own businesses - not because of the income risks, but because they could not afford to lose health coverage.

    Obamacare is far from perfect, but from a business perspective, it's a definite improvement.

     



     

    If you read reports on healthcare insurance, costs are not going down. They are going up dramatically, unless of course you hire people that get subsidized insurance.

    So are you like WalMart, a company accused of short-changing its employees causing government to provide benefits to pick up the slack?

     

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    Health insurance is going to get REAL expensive if you really want decent healthcare.  I am expecting to transition to a concierge model on top of everything else.

    i can't afford to mess around with people looking at rate sheets and trying to decide if I 'm worth fixing.

     
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    bunch of soulless devil worshipers.



    And you wonder why your arguments fail more often then they succeed.

    Again, seek help.

     

     
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    Private insurance companies, that have to offer insurance that the government decides and manages.  



    All insurance is highly regulated at the local, state or fed level.  Has been for a long time now.  Partly, but not exclusively, because private insurance companies have often tried to renege on their commitments to the insureds.

    And the govt sets the guidelines, but the carriers/companies still decide and manage the individual policies.  Big difference.  That part doesn't change.

    Fact is that medicare/caid would be MORE expensive and less inclusive if it was privatized.

     

     

     
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    All insurance is highly regulated at the local, state or fed level.  Has been for a long time now.  Partly, but not exclusively, because private insurance companies have often tried to renege on their commitments to the insureds.

    And the govt sets the guidelines, but the carriers/companies still decide and manage the individual policies.  Big difference.  That part doesn't change.

    Fact is that medicare/caid would be MORE expensive and less inclusive if it was privatized.

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    Insurance companies own buy enough of the govt. Insurance companies are to their credit much more effective at influencing work place safety than OSHA ever was or ever will be!

     
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    All insurance is highly regulated at the local, state or fed level.  Has been for a long time now.  Partly, but not exclusively, because private insurance companies have often tried to renege on their commitments to the insureds.

    And the govt sets the guidelines, but the carriers/companies still decide and manage the individual policies.  Big difference.  That part doesn't change.

    Fact is that medicare/caid would be MORE expensive and less inclusive if it was privatized.

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    Insurance companies own buy enough of the govt. Insurance companies are to their credit much more effective at influencing work place safety than OSHA ever was or ever will be!

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    That's because OSHA doesn't underwrite workforces.  Insurance does.  It is and was a bottom line issue.

    And yet, along those same lines, it's the fly-by-nighters and point-shavers that cause the premiums to rise for everyone else.  Both logically and financially, it makes more sense for everyone to be insured/covered...

    ...and then some dim bulb starts moaning about the "free market" and "socialism" and "regulations" to deflect from the issue.

    Point being is that if you can't keep your workers safe, then find another business to run.

     

     

     
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    As a small business owner with three employees, I see Obamacare as something of an equalizer.  If I choose to provide insurance to my employees, I receive a significant tax break.  If I do not provide insurance, my employees can purchase private insurance more affordably, and I can put the savings into their paychecks to help offset the costs.  If my megacorp competitor chooses to cover previously uncovered employees, it cuts into their bottom lines (not mine) or if they choose to pay the fine, it cuts into employee retention (I'll be waiting), and helps make private insurance more affordable for everybody.

    Think of how many would-be entrepreneurs were reluctant to start their own businesses - not because of the income risks, but because they could not afford to lose health coverage.

    Obamacare is far from perfect, but from a business perspective, it's a definite improvement.

     



     

    If you read reports on healthcare insurance, costs are not going down. They are going up dramatically, unless of course you hire people that get subsidized insurance.

    So are you like WalMart, a company accused of short-changing its employees causing government to provide benefits to pick up the slack?

     

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    You mean do I pay my employees more than $90K/year?  No.  

    Am I held to the same standard as the #2 most profitable company in the US?  No.

    If my company was the #2 most profitable company in the US, would I provide my employees with decent health care rather than circumvent the law by converting my work-force to part time and temporary help?  Yes.

     

     
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    As a small business owner with three employees, I see Obamacare as something of an equalizer.  If I choose to provide insurance to my employees, I receive a significant tax break.  If I do not provide insurance, my employees can purchase private insurance more affordably, and I can put the savings into their paychecks to help offset the costs.  If my megacorp competitor chooses to cover previously uncovered employees, it cuts into their bottom lines (not mine) or if they choose to pay the fine, it cuts into employee retention (I'll be waiting), and helps make private insurance more affordable for everybody.

    Think of how many would-be entrepreneurs were reluctant to start their own businesses - not because of the income risks, but because they could not afford to lose health coverage.

    Obamacare is far from perfect, but from a business perspective, it's a definite improvement.

     

     



     

     

    If you read reports on healthcare insurance, costs are not going down. They are going up dramatically, unless of course you hire people that get subsidized insurance.

    So are you like WalMart, a company accused of short-changing its employees causing government to provide benefits to pick up the slack?

     

     

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    You mean do I pay my employees more than $90K/year?  No.  

     

    Am I held to the same standard as the #2 most profitable company in the US?  No.

    If my company was the #2 most profitable company in the US, would I provide my employees with decent health care rather than circumvent the law by converting my work-force to part time and temporary help?  Yes.

     

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    So, in other words, you want other companies to do what you are unwilling to do.

    that's some standard you got there.

     
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    As a small business owner with three employees, I see Obamacare as something of an equalizer.  If I choose to provide insurance to my employees, I receive a significant tax break.  If I do not provide insurance, my employees can purchase private insurance more affordably, and I can put the savings into their paychecks to help offset the costs.  If my megacorp competitor chooses to cover previously uncovered employees, it cuts into their bottom lines (not mine) or if they choose to pay the fine, it cuts into employee retention (I'll be waiting), and helps make private insurance more affordable for everybody.

    Think of how many would-be entrepreneurs were reluctant to start their own businesses - not because of the income risks, but because they could not afford to lose health coverage.

    Obamacare is far from perfect, but from a business perspective, it's a definite improvement.

     

     

     



     

     

     

    If you read reports on healthcare insurance, costs are not going down. They are going up dramatically, unless of course you hire people that get subsidized insurance.

    So are you like WalMart, a company accused of short-changing its employees causing government to provide benefits to pick up the slack?

     

     

     

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    You mean do I pay my employees more than $90K/year?  No.  

     

     

    Am I held to the same standard as the #2 most profitable company in the US?  No.

    If my company was the #2 most profitable company in the US, would I provide my employees with decent health care rather than circumvent the law by converting my work-force to part time and temporary help?  Yes.

     

     

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    So, in other words, you want other companies to do what you are unwilling to do.

     

    that's some standard you got there.

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    I don't care what other companies do - either they insure their workers or they pay the tax that makes private insurance cheaper.  It's win / win for the employee.

    The only way you can take a hit is if your employer cancels your coverage to save money, and invests zero of it back into your paycheck.  You seem to think that will happen everywhere.  That's not up to my standards.

     

     
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    As a small business owner with three employees, I see Obamacare as something of an equalizer.  If I choose to provide insurance to my employees, I receive a significant tax break.  If I do not provide insurance, my employees can purchase private insurance more affordably, and I can put the savings into their paychecks to help offset the costs.  If my megacorp competitor chooses to cover previously uncovered employees, it cuts into their bottom lines (not mine) or if they choose to pay the fine, it cuts into employee retention (I'll be waiting), and helps make private insurance more affordable for everybody.

    Think of how many would-be entrepreneurs were reluctant to start their own businesses - not because of the income risks, but because they could not afford to lose health coverage.

    Obamacare is far from perfect, but from a business perspective, it's a definite improvement.

     

     

     

     



     

     

     

     

    If you read reports on healthcare insurance, costs are not going down. They are going up dramatically, unless of course you hire people that get subsidized insurance.

    So are you like WalMart, a company accused of short-changing its employees causing government to provide benefits to pick up the slack?

     

     

     

     

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    You mean do I pay my employees more than $90K/year?  No.  

     

     

     

    Am I held to the same standard as the #2 most profitable company in the US?  No.

    If my company was the #2 most profitable company in the US, would I provide my employees with decent health care rather than circumvent the law by converting my work-force to part time and temporary help?  Yes.

     

     

     

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    So, in other words, you want other companies to do what you are unwilling to do.

     

     

    that's some standard you got there.

     

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    I don't care what other companies do - either they insure their workers or they pay the tax that makes private insurance cheaper.  It's win / win for the employee.

     

    The only way you can take a hit is if your employer cancels your coverage to save money, and invests zero of it back into your paycheck.  You seem to think that will happen everywhere.  That's not up to my standards.

     

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    No I don't think that will happen.  That's not my point, and perhaps I am mis-understand you.  Let me tell you what I think your position is:

    You are for Obamacare.

    You think business ought to be forced, under penalty of fines and law, to provide their employees healthcare.

    You don't have enough money to do so for your own three employees, so the rest of us, through taxation, should take up the slack.

    Is that your position?

     
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    As a small business owner with three employees, I see Obamacare as something of an equalizer.  If I choose to provide insurance to my employees, I receive a significant tax break.  If I do not provide insurance, my employees can purchase private insurance more affordably, and I can put the savings into their paychecks to help offset the costs.  If my megacorp competitor chooses to cover previously uncovered employees, it cuts into their bottom lines (not mine) or if they choose to pay the fine, it cuts into employee retention (I'll be waiting), and helps make private insurance more affordable for everybody.

    Think of how many would-be entrepreneurs were reluctant to start their own businesses - not because of the income risks, but because they could not afford to lose health coverage.

    Obamacare is far from perfect, but from a business perspective, it's a definite improvement.

     

     

     

     

     



     

     

     

     

     

    If you read reports on healthcare insurance, costs are not going down. They are going up dramatically, unless of course you hire people that get subsidized insurance.

    So are you like WalMart, a company accused of short-changing its employees causing government to provide benefits to pick up the slack?

     

     

     

     

     

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    You mean do I pay my employees more than $90K/year?  No.  

     

     

     

     

    Am I held to the same standard as the #2 most profitable company in the US?  No.

    If my company was the #2 most profitable company in the US, would I provide my employees with decent health care rather than circumvent the law by converting my work-force to part time and temporary help?  Yes.

     

     

     

     

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    So, in other words, you want other companies to do what you are unwilling to do.

     

     

     

    that's some standard you got there.

     

     

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    I don't care what other companies do - either they insure their workers or they pay the tax that makes private insurance cheaper.  It's win / win for the employee.

     

     

    The only way you can take a hit is if your employer cancels your coverage to save money, and invests zero of it back into your paycheck.  You seem to think that will happen everywhere.  That's not up to my standards.

     

     

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    No I don't think that will happen.  That's not my point, and perhaps I am mis-understand you.  Let me tell you what I think your position is:

     

    You are for Obamacare.

    You think business ought to be forced, under penalty of fines and law, to provide their employees healthcare.

    You don't have enough money to do so for your own three employees, so the rest of us, through taxation, should take up the slack.

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    No, I'm for single payer, but I think Obamacare will prove to be better than what we had before.

    Ideally, I think businesses should be left out of the health care business entirely, but if we are fined for not covering our employees, that revenue should go toward making private insurance cheaper.

    I'm exempt from covering my employees, but let's say each employee costs me $50k/year, and the money in hand for each is $40K after withholdings.  The cost of coverage after tax credits is $4k/employee.  I can a) give each employee $40K and tell them to get their own insurance, which will be subsidized or b) cover them and give them a lower salary.  If I do A, I get about 40% back in tax credits, and if I do B they get about 50% subsidized.  So either way you would be taking up the slack.  But hey, I'm a job creator.  Isn't that what you wanted?  Tax breaks for job creators?  Also - aren't you on Medicare?

     

     

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