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    President Obama repeatedly declared that, with enough federal aid, we could put a million electric vehicles on the road by 2015.  One million !

    Reality check: 2013 sales of Chevy Volts: 11,643....

    In the immortal words of Maxwell Smart, "missed it by that much" !

    His administration invested $5  billion in grants, guaranteed loans ... and tax incentives to buyers.

    Epic failure. Whoops, forgot the Government never fails, just doesnt "invest" enough billions in our 'green energy future'.

    The latest:

    "General Motors is knocking 13 percent off the sticker price of the Chevrolet Volt electric car as it tries to keep pace with rivals in the market for plug-in vehicles.

    "The automaker said Tuesday that the 2014 Volt will start at $34,995, including shipping — $5,000 less than the current model. The new model is scheduled to reach showrooms late this summer.

    "Sales of electric vehicles are rising,[rising from zero to miniscule] but they're still only 0.2 percent of the U.S. auto market. Automakers have been forced to cut prices or offer discounted leases in order to move the vehicles off dealer lots. Nissan dropped the price of its electric Leaf and sales soared, something GM had to notice.

    "Chevrolet is undoubtedly aware of this shift in Leaf pricing, and its resulting sales spike. We all know what you're supposed to do when you can't beat 'em," said Karl Brauer, senior analyst at Kelley Blue Book.

    "Electric vehicles once were billed as the answer to high gas prices and dependence on foreign oil. But U.S. oil production is rising and gasoline supplies are abundant. Pump prices have remained relatively stable the past three years, while gas-powered cars have gotten more efficient, making consumers reluctant to give them up.

    There's also the worry that an electric car could run out of juice on longer trips.

    Volt sales in July were 3.3 percent lower than July 2012, totaling 1,788. For the first seven months of the year, they are up 9.2 percent from the same period in 2012, to 11,643.

    Most sales no doubt were to Government agencies forced to buy the electric lemons.


    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130806/AUTO0103/308060026#ixzz2bDEki9h7

     
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    Central planning never works.  Tihs is further proof.

     
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    Big mistake from the Obama Administration. If they were really concerned about man-made carbon emissions and global warming, they would have funded clean energy projects/companes that fed the grid. That would be like a windmill farm somewhere or funding a nulcear fusion company that could plug their generator into the grid. After all, where does a car that requires plugging for a charge plug into???

    That would have done a lot more for the environment than funding the political allies that made electric cars that  charge their batteries off of a grid fed by dirty fossil fuels.

    If there are leftwingers out there that claim to be for the environmant a nd want to combat global warming they shoudl be criticizing  the Obama Administration. Where are they?

     

     

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    President Obama repeatedly declared that, with enough federal aid, we could put a million electric vehicles on the road by 2015.  One million !

    Reality check: 2013 sales of Chevy Volts: 11,643....

    In the immortal words of Maxwell Smart, "missed it by that much" !

    His administration invested $5  billion in grants, guaranteed loans ... and tax incentives to buyers.

    Epic failure. Whoops, forgot the Government never fails, just doesnt "invest" enough billions in our 'green energy future'.

    The latest:

    "General Motors is knocking 13 percent off the sticker price of the Chevrolet Volt electric car as it tries to keep pace with rivals in the market for plug-in vehicles.

    "The automaker said Tuesday that the 2014 Volt will start at $34,995, including shipping — $5,000 less than the current model. The new model is scheduled to reach showrooms late this summer.

    "Sales of electric vehicles are rising,[rising from zero to miniscule] but they're still only 0.2 percent of the U.S. auto market. Automakers have been forced to cut prices or offer discounted leases in order to move the vehicles off dealer lots. Nissan dropped the price of its electric Leaf and sales soared, something GM had to notice.

    "Chevrolet is undoubtedly aware of this shift in Leaf pricing, and its resulting sales spike. We all know what you're supposed to do when you can't beat 'em," said Karl Brauer, senior analyst at Kelley Blue Book.

    "Electric vehicles once were billed as the answer to high gas prices and dependence on foreign oil. But U.S. oil production is rising and gasoline supplies are abundant. Pump prices have remained relatively stable the past three years, while gas-powered cars have gotten more efficient, making consumers reluctant to give them up.

    There's also the worry that an electric car could run out of juice on longer trips.

    Volt sales in July were 3.3 percent lower than July 2012, totaling 1,788. For the first seven months of the year, they are up 9.2 percent from the same period in 2012, to 11,643.

    Most sales no doubt were to Government agencies forced to buy the electric lemons.


    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130806/AUTO0103/308060026#ixzz2bDEki9h7



    Republicans don't want to get away from fossil fuels. Not as long as there is still a profit to be made. Electric cars are the future. The GOP can stall it and complain about it, but's going to happen.

     
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    In response to AlleyCatBruin's comment:

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

    President Obama repeatedly declared that, with enough federal aid, we could put a million electric vehicles on the road by 2015.  One million !

    Reality check: 2013 sales of Chevy Volts: 11,643....

    In the immortal words of Maxwell Smart, "missed it by that much" !

    His administration invested $5  billion in grants, guaranteed loans ... and tax incentives to buyers.

    Epic failure. Whoops, forgot the Government never fails, just doesnt "invest" enough billions in our 'green energy future'.

    The latest:

    "General Motors is knocking 13 percent off the sticker price of the Chevrolet Volt electric car as it tries to keep pace with rivals in the market for plug-in vehicles.

    "The automaker said Tuesday that the 2014 Volt will start at $34,995, including shipping — $5,000 less than the current model. The new model is scheduled to reach showrooms late this summer.

    "Sales of electric vehicles are rising,[rising from zero to miniscule] but they're still only 0.2 percent of the U.S. auto market. Automakers have been forced to cut prices or offer discounted leases in order to move the vehicles off dealer lots. Nissan dropped the price of its electric Leaf and sales soared, something GM had to notice.

    "Chevrolet is undoubtedly aware of this shift in Leaf pricing, and its resulting sales spike. We all know what you're supposed to do when you can't beat 'em," said Karl Brauer, senior analyst at Kelley Blue Book.

    "Electric vehicles once were billed as the answer to high gas prices and dependence on foreign oil. But U.S. oil production is rising and gasoline supplies are abundant. Pump prices have remained relatively stable the past three years, while gas-powered cars have gotten more efficient, making consumers reluctant to give them up.

    There's also the worry that an electric car could run out of juice on longer trips.

    Volt sales in July were 3.3 percent lower than July 2012, totaling 1,788. For the first seven months of the year, they are up 9.2 percent from the same period in 2012, to 11,643.

    Most sales no doubt were to Government agencies forced to buy the electric lemons.


    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130806/AUTO0103/308060026#ixzz2bDEki9h7

     



    Republicans don't want to get away from fossil fuels. Not as long as there is still a profit to be made. Electric cars are the future. The GOP can stall it and complain about it, but's going to happen.

     




    The market will decide if electric cars are the future, not a clueless President and his bureaucrats in Washington DC. No matter how many taxpayer billions he wastes...

    Success of an electric car , if it happens, will be due to the miracle of the private sector.... risk takers who want to make a profit, not politician's cronies who steal taxpayer dollars and produce massive failure...

     

     
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    In response to AlleyCatBruin's comment:

     

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

     

     

    President Obama repeatedly declared that, with enough federal aid, we could put a million electric vehicles on the road by 2015.  One million !

    Reality check: 2013 sales of Chevy Volts: 11,643....

    In the immortal words of Maxwell Smart, "missed it by that much" !

    His administration invested $5  billion in grants, guaranteed loans ... and tax incentives to buyers.

    Epic failure. Whoops, forgot the Government never fails, just doesnt "invest" enough billions in our 'green energy future'.

    The latest:

    "General Motors is knocking 13 percent off the sticker price of the Chevrolet Volt electric car as it tries to keep pace with rivals in the market for plug-in vehicles.

    "The automaker said Tuesday that the 2014 Volt will start at $34,995, including shipping — $5,000 less than the current model. The new model is scheduled to reach showrooms late this summer.

    "Sales of electric vehicles are rising,[rising from zero to miniscule] but they're still only 0.2 percent of the U.S. auto market. Automakers have been forced to cut prices or offer discounted leases in order to move the vehicles off dealer lots. Nissan dropped the price of its electric Leaf and sales soared, something GM had to notice.

    "Chevrolet is undoubtedly aware of this shift in Leaf pricing, and its resulting sales spike. We all know what you're supposed to do when you can't beat 'em," said Karl Brauer, senior analyst at Kelley Blue Book.

    "Electric vehicles once were billed as the answer to high gas prices and dependence on foreign oil. But U.S. oil production is rising and gasoline supplies are abundant. Pump prices have remained relatively stable the past three years, while gas-powered cars have gotten more efficient, making consumers reluctant to give them up.

    There's also the worry that an electric car could run out of juice on longer trips.

    Volt sales in July were 3.3 percent lower than July 2012, totaling 1,788. For the first seven months of the year, they are up 9.2 percent from the same period in 2012, to 11,643.

    Most sales no doubt were to Government agencies forced to buy the electric lemons.


    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130806/AUTO0103/308060026#ixzz2bDEki9h7

     

     



    Republicans don't want to get away from fossil fuels. Not as long as there is still a profit to be made. Electric cars are the future. The GOP can stall it and complain about it, but's going to happen.

     

     

     



    You don't get there by government trying to plan the transition, I.e. central planning.  Nor do you get there with current technology. If anything, you encourage innovation via tax breaks.

     

    as far as fossil fuels, only fools like you think we can get away from fossil fuels at this point, or that all fossil fuels are equal.  The gas boom has put cheap, cleaner fuel onto the market. Central planning by government did all they could do to stop this, but failed.

    The result is that energy sector did not collapse, giving Obama an excuse to take it over, like he has done for the auto industry and health insurance Industry.

     
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    I have several electric guitars.  Dramatic improvement of the prior steam and gas powered guitars.

     
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    In response to GregoryFromMeffa's comment:

     

    I have several electric guitars.  Dramatic improvement of the prior steam and gas powered guitars.

     



    Do you have "warren for senate" bumper stickers on your electric guitars?

     

    they come standard with the Prius. Not sure about guitars.

     
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    There are over 100,000 EV cars on the road (including Volt, Leaf, Tesla, and Toyota plug in hybrids.)  Not surprisingly many of these are first generation models that came along after the rise of the toyota prius hybrid and the subsequent release of hybrid models by other car companies.  TBut as was the case with the base hybrid, which started off priced at a premium, the costs of owning one of these cars will steadily decline and become more accessible.  

    It kills me that conservatives just love to dance on the not even dug grave of the Volt.  It has sold over 40,000 units to date, which is good for the number 1 spot in terms of plug in electric vehicles in the US.  And combined with its European version is also the number 1 plug in vehicle in the world.  Teh reality is criticism of the Volt isn't based on meaningful metrics, but a dogged reflexive need to bash GM because of the bailout, and because Obama has backed the company.  Obviously anything Obama touches must be opposed by the republicans, even if it means hoping for the failure of American institution that played a huge role in creating the middle class in the United States, GM.  

     
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    Think it begins with an "h"

    Handsome?

     

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    Think for yourself, question authority.

     
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    Conservative attacks on the Chevy Volt are a prime example of how so much of today's conservative agenda is simply about destroying libruls, rather than about trying to achieve good policy outcomes.

    On the merits, the attacks against the Chevy Volt are simply wrong or wildly overblown. But there is also the more basic question of why folks would criticize the Volt. Here is a technological advancement being made by an American company that is hiring workers here in the US to build an innovative product. What's not to love?

    Much of the motivation behind these attacks is the view of the right wing base that climate change is somehow a vast conspiracy of scientists throughout the world. But even if you accept such paranoid fantasies about climate change, the Volt also beneficially helps address two other issues that the GOP pretends to care about - energy independence and higher gas prices. Given all of the rhetoric that the GOP is throwing around blaming President Obama for high gas prices, you would think the GOP would be happy to embrace an innovative, American-made technology that helps reduce our dependence high priced gas and foreign oil. The fact that the GOP is instead attacking that technology shows just how un-serious about governing the GOP is.

     
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    You're right...Repubs shouldn't criticize especially given that Dems never do that.....

    You guys make me laugh. Both sides play politics. Both sides want to be in control of things so they'll pretty much do or say anything to help that agenda along. Enough with the faux outrage from both sides. 

    You guys criticize...no YOU guys do...no YOU guys do....Na Na Na Naaaaaa Na 

     
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    Conservative attacks on the Chevy Volt are a prime example of how so much of today's conservative agenda is simply about destroying libruls, rather than about trying to achieve good policy outcomes.

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    Its not an attack on Chevy or the Volt, its Obama throwing money at GM for an agenda.  Be it altruistic and genuine or otherwise, you KNOW if Bush did the same, "corporate welfare", would have been dripping off liberal lips like flies of sht when you step in it.

     
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    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

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    [QUOTE]

     

    Conservative attacks on the Chevy Volt are a prime example of how so much of today's conservative agenda is simply about destroying libruls, rather than about trying to achieve good policy outcomes.

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    Its not an attack on Chevy or the Volt, its Obama throwing money at GM for an agenda.  Be it altruistic and genuine or otherwise, you KNOW if Bush did the same, "corporate welfare", would have been dripping off liberal lips like flies of sht when you step in it.

     

     

     




    Ummm..... Bush started the "corporate welfare" kick with TARP, from which he threw money at the auto industry.

     

    Another swing and a miss.

    [/QUOTE]


    Oh that's right, Obama didn't TARP or auto bailouts.  How silly of me.

     
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    "Strong funding of basic research helped propel this nation ahead last century. It'd be foolish to  back off now."

    Private sector innovation, not Government, propelled this nation ahead last century.

    The bottom line is, to liberals the Government and/or Obama could not fail by "investing" in electric cars...no matter how many tens of billions are wasted and handed over to cronies, no matter how few cars are sold.

    Facts dont matter; the progressive's God of Government never fails...

    So what if Obama said 1 million electric cars would be on the road...so what if each Volt costs 100K? Doesnt matter.

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    "Strong funding of basic research helped propel this nation ahead last century. It'd be foolish to  back off now."

    Private sector innovation, not Government, propelled this nation ahead last century.

    The bottom line is, to liberals the Government and/or Obama could not fail by "investing" in electric cars...no matter how many tens of billions are wasted and handed over to cronies, no matter how few cars are sold.

    Facts dont matter; the progressive's God of Government never fails...

    So what if Obama said 1 million electric cars would be on the road...so what if each Volt costs 100K? Doesnt matter.



     Whatever, in twenty or thirty years, descendants of the Chevy Volt will be everywhere. And people like you will be bugs on the windshield of automotive history.

     
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    In response to UserName99's comment:

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

    "Strong funding of basic research helped propel this nation ahead last century. It'd be foolish to  back off now."

    Private sector innovation, not Government, propelled this nation ahead last century.

    The bottom line is, to liberals the Government and/or Obama could not fail by "investing" in electric cars...no matter how many tens of billions are wasted and handed over to cronies, no matter how few cars are sold.

    Facts dont matter; the progressive's God of Government never fails...

    So what if Obama said 1 million electric cars would be on the road...so what if each Volt costs 100K? Doesnt matter.

     



     Whatever, in twenty or thirty years, descendants of the Chevy Volt will be everywhere. And people like you will be bugs on the windshield of automotive history.

     



    The Chevy Volt actually making a profit? No religious zealot has ever had the unyielding faith in miracles that progressives have for their Deity...

     
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    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

    We do KNOW that Bush started the whole corporate welfare ball rolling with TARP and the first tranche of money thrown at the auto makers.



    Bush f'd up, no question.  Bush engaged in the quote, "compromise" that liberals always insist that Republicans must engage in. 

    Yet Bush gets no credit for this 'moderation", the libs still hate him.

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    "Strong funding of basic research helped propel this nation ahead last century. It'd be foolish to  back off now."

    Private sector innovation, not Government, propelled this nation ahead last century.

    Point-of-fact, it was both, working in partnership on everything from energy efficiency, to defense, to communications, to computing.

    But why quote the truth when the lies can be swallowed much easier, right...?

     

     
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    The Chevy Volt actually making a profit? 

     


    That's not even debatable.  Plug-ins will be profitable just like hybrids are now.  (Even without the reduced strain on the environment, the grid, etc. which are absolutely quantifiable.)

    The real question is why you and so many so-called conservatives want an american company to fail...?  Whose side are you on, anyway...??

     

     

     

     

     
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    Hey dipstick, this was your statement:

    "...you KNOW if Bush did the same, "corporate welfare",..." the liberals would be doing this or that.

    He did EXACTLY the same thing, and with legislation written by a Dem Congress.

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    And the left did EXACTLY what I said they would.

    Dummy

     
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